NieR Automata: Dark Apocalypse - Hints and Predictions

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Originally Posted by MrThinker

This seems to imply more of 'manipulation' by 9s to me.

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TY, that is the catch of the raid and 2p ^^, their will,their original will .

that is why 2p words and the stuff happening in the raid don't make sense,the catch is their original will 9s manipulates them against it.
once that sentence is out of the raid wibe and you see the wording ,it is clear that their original will isn't what we believe to be.
if this is like nier automata then the original will is probably to destroy the humans as their makers dictated.

if we follow nier then the machines from there who are identical to adam and eve means that they wanted to learn and know about humans. they were fascinated and curious about humans and our nature,in fact ,they even killed their own creators cause of that . they evolved beyond what their creators wanted them to be and in the end defy them.

and if this is the case,then the 9s who controls and manipulates the machines is 9s from ending D then the clue is in the final moment of the ending where he speaks about traveling and being calm and have no resentment like i thought then he might be "manipulating and controlling " the machines to not harm anyone and live like yohra and the humans.

we believe those notes in the quests belong to the machines of current time but what if it is before 9s time.it could be records from the time before 9s manipulated them or even before that it could be from the time their creators were alive.

even if it is related to ending D or related to ending A ,the fact that 9s manipulates the machines against their will is probably because the machines would have done something that will kill/hurt and interrupt humans lives.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

Hobbes literally tries to kill us after we outperform expectations. It thinks we're "cheating" because it cannot conceive of how we can survive its "testing" otherwise.

It's a very Allagan mindset.

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To play devil's advocate, 2P does say that it's a machine responsible for the quality testing of the other machine lifeforms and very much unaware of the fact that it has "human" subjects this time.

So in NieR: A, one of the big things 9S can do is hack machine lifeforms. If they already know he's there, he only can destroy them. If they don't know he's there, he's got a couple of options about what to do with them. These include swapping around their Friend/Foe IDs so they attack other machines automatically, or 9S can directly take over their bodies and control them like the machine's body is his. Or he can destroy them like normal. One of the effects of doing this on 9S is that he ends up getting the machine's memories mixed in with his own... and even finds himself inside the machine network on occasion. It should be mentioned that he knows they have a will of their own, but he hates them in spite of that and really, really wants all the machines dead. Probably more then 2B herself does.

My take on what 2P said about the machine's will by the end of the raid was that 9S had hacked the entire factory and was either manually controlling everything himself or had programed the machines to do attack anyone going against thim. So yeah... the machines are probably innocent bystanders... that are attacking us and want to kill us and the only way we can probably talk with them is taking out the person hacking them... which is most likely 9S. It's worth noting that right before she shuts down, 2P is less concerned about the machines and more concerned about other androids finding the factory and what they'll do once they find it. In fact, she implies that would be as bad for us as if the machines started attacking us.

It's probably worth mentioning too that the title of the entire raid is YoRHa: Dark Apocalypse. And YoRHa only ever is a reference to a sub-set of androids in NieR: A. It is never used to refer to machine lifeforms. So I wouldn't be surprised if the next raids have us fighting more against other androids and less against machines.

Yeah, the Raid has at least three instances of 9S hacking machines (the Flight Unit, the Tanks, and the Marx arms), and the tank that he attached himself to is completely immobile when he decouples from it despite having robots on it.