Shadowbringers Relic: Overworld as "Eureka"

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Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula

If you actually had a group of 4-8 people doing chain pulls on enemies 4-5 levels above you FF11 style, Eureka was actually pretty fun imo. Given that it was in many ways meant to be a throwback to FF11, I think this was the intended playstyle too.

But instead, most people either solo'd or hopped on the gravy train idling and waiting for NM's to spawn (I mean, I won't lie, the latter DID occur in FF11 too). Soloing especially is a miserable experience (again, akin to FF11, and there's no powerful solo builds like RDM/sub-NIN in FF14).

I think the best idea would be to have Eureka again, but a capstone raid Arsenal style at the end of every zone, and some level of greater incentive to actually level via-chain pulling (allowing level-sync so that higher level PC's don't TRASH lower level party member's XP would really help). I'd love to see it integrated into the existing ShB overworld zones somehow, but I'm not sure how that would work without filling the overworld with demonic spiders to the frustration of people going through the MSQ. Maybe a toggle of some sort?

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The greatest drawback that Eureka had was that there was no in-game way to group up and the level difference made that even worse. Maybe it better on the JP data centers with their highly structured playstyle, but on NA/EU is was either riding the FATE train or doing lvl.20 CL in Anemos. Even BA required help in the form of the Discord. If we get something similar then please add any kind of grouping support in there.

I really hope they toss Eureka aside, plus if they do it the old way people can also get the fate ranks in new areas while doing relics.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

I did not see Eureka as being any worse then Grinding endless rng fates and spamming older dungeons hundreds and hundreds of times. At least it was new content, not recycled content.


Not saying Eureka was good in its current form either, but honestly ARR's and HW's relics sucked in my opinion.

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The problem with Eureka is it was open world content in an instance.
It's no different to the current FATE grinding we do to level or for bicolour gemstones in Shadowbringers, but you couldn't do that and queue for duties at the same time in Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

The problem with Eureka is it was open world content in an instance.
It's no different to the current FATE grinding we do to level or for bicolour gemstones in Shadowbringers, but you couldn't do that and queue for duties at the same time in Eureka.

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And you don't have to kill bazillion of trash mob to make it happen nor you have to wait like a stump for 20 minutes that something happen because your too weak to even make your presence count nor you loose hours of progress if you're killed by a monster that sneezed in your general direction...

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

The problem with Eureka is it was open world content in an instance.
It's no different to the current FATE grinding we do to level or for bicolour gemstones in Shadowbringers, but you couldn't do that and queue for duties at the same time in Eureka.

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You could pretty much solo Fate in ShB without much issue, if you try that in eureka...god bless you.
I know it was supposed to be a group content but it was a group content that give no assistant in forming a group and pushing hard for late joining.
I remember back in those days I play a Korean made MMO. Once you pass the newbie phase, soloing take centuries to progress. It force doing every single bit of content in a group. So I have to get online everyday spending minutes sometimes hour shouting finally getting a full party to do content, and if I miss a week, I am doom because I am behind in both content progress and level. That’s no fun and Eureka just bring back those flaw of old days MMO

The problem with Eureka was it enabled laziness.

They should go back to an ARR style method of fates but without locking away elements behind harsh crafting and desynth requirements. I think there should be an element of most parts of the game, it's a relic after all, but at least target it to the "slightly above casual" market. This gives everyone content that should be neither too trivial, or too challenging.

Also, anything crafted and materials needed in order to craft them, should be untradable. This will remove the risk of a select few making millions against the masses.

No more Eureka for Relic please or like i said before offer a different option for those that do not like it