Housing demolition timer need to be changed! Sitting on your property needs to count.

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Originally Posted by Beatrice

I felt bad for the guy at first but then seeing him to admitting he'd go to his FC house to check his stuff... And just stand outside his own property to queue for PvP... Like, I'm just confused. Sounds like he wasn't actually using his house?

The very first pieces of furniture I placed in my house where the retainer bell, the aesthetician bell, and the orchestrion.

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Some people like just decorating the yard and turning it into their own little Zen garden or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Beelhi

From https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...3e7ccabefa9954

Steps Prior to Demolishing
Thirty days of inactivity
A notification indicating that the estate is being prepared for auto-demolition will appear in the Timers interface in the Duty tab of the Main Menu.

Thirty-five days of inactivity
An e-mail will be delivered to the registered e-mail addresses of all free company members, or the owner of a private estate, indicating the estate is being prepared for auto-demolition.

Forty-two days of inactivity
An e-mail will be delivered to the registered e-mail addresses of all free company members, or the owner of a private estate, indicating that the estate will be demolished automatically in three days.

Forty-five days of inactivity
The estate will be automatically demolished.

I checked my mail and i got 2 mails. I thought it was more but turns out it was for my FC but it's still 2 mails.

Fact remains, for FORTY-FIVE days you not once thought oh ok maybe time to enter the house. It's not on SE to remind you and yet they do. Information says you get a mail and most would make sure to check the junk folder.

You can wine all you want, it's your fault you lost the house, and if you don't even enter the house, I hope it now went to someone using it.

I stopped using my house, so i let it demolish so someone else can enjoy it.

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Again my point is in game pop up when you log on daily to say go in house. Which should not be a thing in the first place. Would be needed. I used the house the way I wanted. That is all.

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Originally Posted by Prophecy

Again my point is in game pop up when you log on daily to say go in house. Which should not be a thing in the first place. Would be needed. I used the house the way I wanted. That is all.

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And my point is that more handholding isn't needed. You get mails and have information in the game aswell. You know its 45 days before demolition starts, it's not SE's responsibility to think for you.

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Originally Posted by Reinfeld

Some people like just decorating the yard and turning it into their own little Zen garden or whatever.

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That's fine and all, doesn't take away the fact that you still need to go inside to reset the demolition timer. If you don't, "but I only use my garden" doesn't change anything.

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Originally Posted by Beelhi

And my point is that more handholding isn't needed. You get mails and have information in the game aswell. You know its 45 days before demolition starts, it's not SE's responsibility to think for you.



That's fine and all, doesn't take away the fact that you still need to go inside to reset the demolition timer. If you don't, "but I only use my garden" doesn't change anything.

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We can agree to disagree on this all night. The kind of pop up that you have to confirm when you log on is all that is needed to avoid this. They use the same for quest you need to finish and such. Not hard to do. Even check in noted when on lawn may be hard to do but should be done as well. No hand holding needed. Just smart to do is all.

Not against a pop up but it if the sole intention to add it is just to remind a person every 45 days (or whatever the time is) that demolition is going to happen then in all fairness that house would be better going to another player that does enter it more often. As others have said, you getting email notifications and the in-game timer keeps you updated but if you still choose to ignore these or delay entering the house, then again the lack of interest from the player speaks volumes. Also it seems you just got too comfy with the auto-demo timer being turned off for so long.

I haven't entered my characters' houses in Everquest 2 in about 6 years. If I logged in now, they'd be sitting there waiting for me exactly as I left them.

Something to be said about instancing housing. Everyone gets a shot at a house if they can afford it. And no one has to worry about losing one. And my personal favorite, Active Duty military get to keep theirs under that system too in case they need to be deployed for a few months. I'd think SE would be grateful to said volunteers considering it keeps the area their HQ is in pretty stable.

So much whiteknighting going on in this thread. Imo, if you pay a subscription, there should be no auto-demolition going on.

Put a mender inside your house and use it when you finish duties. I find it hard to understand why entering a house is so hard yet I would like to see SE ditch the entering a house model to simply have it apply to a paid subscription.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

Something to be said about instancing housing. Everyone gets a shot at a house if they can afford it. And no one has to worry about losing one. And my personal favorite, Active Duty military get to keep theirs under that system too in case they need to be deployed for a few months. I'd think SE would be grateful to said volunteers considering it keeps the area their HQ is in pretty stable.

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I'm hoping that someday they'll make it so apartments can be upgraded from the tiny little room they give you. I think that would probably satisfy a lot of people. The only issue would be the gardening stuff that you need a yard for.

I took a 1 year break from the game. And i had to log into the game once a month to reset the demolition timer. Sure it can be annoying but if you want your house then actually use it, If not it's better used for someone else that wants it. If you were actively playing for 45 days and not stepping foot in your house. What's the point with it then. That's just me

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

So much whiteknighting going on in this thread. Imo, if you pay a subscription, there should be no auto-demolition going on.

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This, as long the subscription is active no one should have to worry.

Still, is OP faults. Everyone is under the same rules.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

So much whiteknighting going on in this thread. Imo, if you pay a subscription, there should be no auto-demolition going on.

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Then you're being unfair to active players who can't get a house because some person who hasn't logged in for 6 months is sitting on their house. The housing situation altogether in FFXIV is a bit of a mess due to the lack of real instanced housing. The policy in place right now is the only way to keep things fair in the current system. And it's not white knighting to call someone out for logging on every day but not stepping foot inside their own house for 45 days. People know the restrictions. Its talked about constantly on the forums and in game. Emails are sent. It's their own fault for losing their house at that point.

The rules are good, because those who buy a house and ignore it will actually lose it.
Why should somebody with lack of interest of his house have it? There is a lacking of housing plots, let people who want to play with it, have it.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

So much whiteknighting going on in this thread. Imo, if you pay a subscription, there should be no auto-demolition going on.

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100% agreed!

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Originally Posted by Lanze

I took a 1 year break from the game. And i had to log into the game once a month to reset the demolition timer. Sure it can be annoying but if you want your house then actually use it, If not it's better used for someone else that wants it. If you were actively playing for 45 days and not stepping foot in your house. What's the point with it then. That's just me

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Since this keeps coming up i will answer. My house was in a key location i like the outside more then inside. SO that is where i chilled. Nothing wrong with that. No penalty should be applied to a paying playing player for that. It needs to be fixed or people will continue to unsub.

Taking houses away from subscribed players who actively play the game is not the main reason for auto demolish. Its purpose is to recycle houses from unsubscribed players so that wards don't end up dead. I agree with the op on that a pop up in game would not be hard to implement and could mean a lot to whoever has not kept up with the news even though they are subscribed.

There is always someone who will use a house more than you so no one here is qualified to say the op doesn't deserve a house. Housing has never been distributed based on how it will be used.

This is one of the things about housing that does not need a fix. You messed up. You knew the rules and you didn't follow them. Nothing needs to be fixed just because you're not capable of doing a simple task once every 45 days. Please make your "union", I truly wish to see how many people this affects.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

So much whiteknighting going on in this thread. Imo, if you pay a subscription, there should be no auto-demolition going on.

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It's not "whiteknighting" to disagree with you. Are you even aware of what "whiteknighting" means? It means to defend someone without any valid logic or reason. That does not apply to this case. Many, many people have cited the very valid reasons why a 45 day abandonment policy is not only fair, but justified. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a valid and reasonable policy.

tl;dr:
- I got my housing demolished because I were ignorant of the rules;
- I vent on forum my frustration;
- I want change the rules to my liking.

I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

this goes even for the players who don't have a house who want one because if you were able to obtain a house and lost it in the same way I betcha 100% you'd be doing what OP is doing now heh.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

this goes even for the players who don't have a house who want one because if you were able to obtain a house and lost it in the same way I betcha 100% you'd be doing what OP is doing now heh.

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The OP isn't a victim of an unfortunate and uncontrollable circumstance. He knew the rules, didn't follow them, ignored the warnings then paid the price.

I'm sure others would moan in his situation, but most here aren't so foolish to put ourselves in that situation to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

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Why would I come to the forums to have it pointed out to me that I ignored several attempts by SE to not have my house get demolished? If I buy a house, I agree to abide by the conditions of owning a house, including that it can (and generally will be) destroyed should I not do something as simple as entering it within every 45 days. Kicking and screaming that it needs to be "fixed" when it isn't broken is asking for the quintessential waste of development resources.

Or to put it more succinctly, I wouldn't need the forums to point out I messed up, my now-former plot of land will attest to that.

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Originally Posted by Prophecy

Since this keeps coming up i will answer. My house was in a key location i like the outside more then inside. SO that is where i chilled. Nothing wrong with that. No penalty should be applied to a paying playing player for that. It needs to be fixed or people will continue to unsub.

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Did you receive the emails they should've sent you?

well off the end of the day both sides are right. I never unsub from the game, because it took me A LONG time and A LOT of work to get my house and I dont wanna lose it. But I also understands that we need the timer, otherwise wards will never get free houses and we even have a bigger crisis. Altough I wish sometimes I could just unsub for a while and take a break. Anyhow - mayyyybe, hooopefully one day we get instanced houses ( yes yes, apartments are instanced houses, but I need more space then a lousy room) where we dont have to fear to lose everything we did build. (Apartments do not get demolished, so that would be nice for other instanced housing)

If you liked the outside more and you hang out there, you can still hang out outside the house.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

this goes even for the players who don't have a house who want one because if you were able to obtain a house and lost it in the same way I betcha 100% you'd be doing what OP is doing now heh.

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It wouldn't happen to me, I go inside my house because I know there's a 45 day demo timer, just like the OP did. There's no defense here guy.

lol

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

this goes even for the players who don't have a house who want one because if you were able to obtain a house and lost it in the same way I betcha 100% you'd be doing what OP is doing now heh.

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Guess what it happened to me twice, and i did not complain about it.
I had 2 housing plots which i lost because i was lazy and basically didnt need the house on my own, i wouldnt care less to be honest.
There is a substantial lack of the plots to the point, where people are selling them to another player cheesying the system and making profit out of it. With the latest changes to the housing, it is a little easier to get a house for those who really would like to have one and play with it.
Someone bought the house sure, but it does refund the gil spent on it, so there is nothing lost for someone who had no interest in his house for a whole 45 days.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

this goes even for the players who don't have a house who want one because if you were able to obtain a house and lost it in the same way I betcha 100% you'd be doing what OP is doing now heh.

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To be honest, this hasn't happened to me and I'm a bit concerned that it even does happen. The system works in a way that is detrimental to some very important people in very important professions.

Hurricane Victims would be hit by this. Florence hit my area last year and my Power was down for 3 weeks, internet was down for 2 weeks longer than the power, cellphone was a few days longer than that too. And I was one of the lucky ones to get it back as quickly as I did. Some lost homes and propertys due to the storm. Kinda sucks for those who would lose their homes in game too.

Which lends to the technicians who had to travel from across the country and even some from Canada to help bring said power back online. They were away from home for literal months helping those who needed it. They too would be affected by this.

Anyone who has simple business trips that take them across country or to other nations who have to be gone for a few months.

And one that bothers me personally. Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors, and Guardsmen losing their housing plots for going on training or deployments for several months. Its bad enough for those us who serve to come back to a game and have to play catch up to our buddies. That's something we can understand and can handle. But losing a house, even with a paid subscription is just wrong. I am a veteran myself and have made many friends, some of which are still serving. It would be nice to see them be able to enjoy the game in the same manner I can, at least while they can.

But it is disheartening to see these people as Zeonx pointed out who are attacking the OP. They believe they have more of a right in this game than those groups I listed above. I think very little of that kind of selfishness.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

To be honest, this hasn't happened to me and I'm a bit concerned that it even does happen. The system works in a way that is detrimental to some very important people in very important professions.

Hurricane Victims would be hit by this. Florence hit my area last year and my Power was down for 3 weeks, internet was down for 2 weeks longer than the power, cellphone was a few days longer than that too. And I was one of the lucky ones to get it back as quickly as I did. Some lost homes and propertys due to the storm. Kinda sucks for those who would lose their homes in game too.

Which lends to the technicians who had to travel from across the country and even some from Canada to help bring said power back online. They were away from home for literal months helping those who needed it. They too would be affected by this.

Anyone who has simple business trips that take them across country or to other nations who have to be gone for a few months.

And one that bothers me personally. Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors, and Guardsmen losing their housing plots for going on training or deployments for several months. Its bad enough for those us who serve to come back to a game and have to play catch up to our buddies. That's something we can understand and can handle. But losing a house, even with a paid subscription is just wrong. I am a veteran myself and have made many friends, some of which are still serving. It would be nice to see them be able to enjoy the game in the same manner I can, at least while they can.

But it is disheartening to see these people as Zeonx pointed out who are attacking the OP. They believe they have more of a right in this game than those groups I listed above. I think very little of that kind of selfishness.

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Except the OP was none of those. I would have sympathy for anyone who lost a house in those circumstances. The OP was simply too lazy/didn't care enough to enter his house once, during the 45 day window, when he was standing in the lawn most of the time. That's 100% his fault.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Except the OP was none of those. I would have sympathy for anyone who lost a house in those circumstances. The OP was simply too lazy/didn't care enough to enter his house once, during the 45 day window, when he was standing in the lawn most of the time. That's 100% his fault.

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Thanks, I was gonna say exactly the same. +1

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Except the OP was none of those. I would have sympathy for anyone who lost a house in those circumstances. The OP was simply too lazy/didn't care enough to enter his house once, during the 45 day window, when he was standing in the lawn most of the time. That's 100% his fault.

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So him getting stung is worth it? Those groups being affected is fine just because it got the OP? That's throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

So him getting stung is worth it? Those groups being affected is fine just because it got the OP? That's throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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I never said it was worth it. This is the way housing functions now, and was changed to function this way based on player feedback, after all plots were bought up and held when players quit the game. Everyone knows this going into housing, or at least those who have done their research would.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

To be honest, this hasn't happened to me and I'm a bit concerned that it even does happen. The system works in a way that is detrimental to some very important people in very important professions.

Hurricane Victims would be hit by this. Florence hit my area last year and my Power was down for 3 weeks, internet was down for 2 weeks longer than the power, cellphone was a few days longer than that too. And I was one of the lucky ones to get it back as quickly as I did. Some lost homes and propertys due to the storm. Kinda sucks for those who would lose their homes in game too.

Which lends to the technicians who had to travel from across the country and even some from Canada to help bring said power back online. They were away from home for literal months helping those who needed it. They too would be affected by this.

Anyone who has simple business trips that take them across country or to other nations who have to be gone for a few months.

And one that bothers me personally. Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors, and Guardsmen losing their housing plots for going on training or deployments for several months. Its bad enough for those us who serve to come back to a game and have to play catch up to our buddies. That's something we can understand and can handle. But losing a house, even with a paid subscription is just wrong. I am a veteran myself and have made many friends, some of which are still serving. It would be nice to see them be able to enjoy the game in the same manner I can, at least while they can.

But it is disheartening to see these people as Zeonx pointed out who are attacking the OP. They believe they have more of a right in this game than those groups I listed above. I think very little of that kind of selfishness.

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Perhaps consider that housing isn't really top priority for people in those situations, and no one is sitting in their actual home destroyed by a hurricane thinking "Aw man, I wish I could log on and stare at my XIV house." The housing demo timer is paused anyway for major crisis.

I know soldiers and marines, and ya know- they intentionally don't play XIV despite me recommending because they know situations like this can happen. So yeah. Nah. No sympathy for OP here.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

To be honest, this hasn't happened to me and I'm a bit concerned that it even does happen. The system works in a way that is detrimental to some very important people in very important professions.

Hurricane Victims would be hit by this. Florence hit my area last year and my Power was down for 3 weeks, internet was down for 2 weeks longer than the power, cellphone was a few days longer than that too. And I was one of the lucky ones to get it back as quickly as I did. Some lost homes and propertys due to the storm. Kinda sucks for those who would lose their homes in game too.

Which lends to the technicians who had to travel from across the country and even some from Canada to help bring said power back online. They were away from home for literal months helping those who needed it. They too would be affected by this.

Anyone who has simple business trips that take them across country or to other nations who have to be gone for a few months.

And one that bothers me personally. Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors, and Guardsmen losing their housing plots for going on training or deployments for several months. Its bad enough for those us who serve to come back to a game and have to play catch up to our buddies. That's something we can understand and can handle. But losing a house, even with a paid subscription is just wrong. I am a veteran myself and have made many friends, some of which are still serving. It would be nice to see them be able to enjoy the game in the same manner I can, at least while they can.

But it is disheartening to see these people as Zeonx pointed out who are attacking the OP. They believe they have more of a right in this game than those groups I listed above. I think very little of that kind of selfishness.

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A certain man has lost all my respect, sympathy and trust.
As this certain Gentleman said "there will never be a system in FFIV where players can lose their houses", and then, boom ....
And that from a country where honor plays a major role....

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Originally Posted by Glenfiddich

A certain man has lost all my respect, sympathy and trust.
As this certain Gentleman said "there will never be a system in FFIV where players can lose their houses", and then, boom ....
And that from a country where honor plays a major role....

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Things change. He said that before housing was released. After it was released, they had to adjust their plan, as players demanded unused plots be released for people to purchase. This is why they no longer talk about stuff that is not set in stone, or give us hints of what is in the works. Because people DON'T LET GO.

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Originally Posted by Glenfiddich

A certain man has lost all my respect, sympathy and trust.
As this certain Gentleman said "there will never be a system in FFXIV where players can lose their houses", and then, boom ....
And that from a country where honor plays a major role....

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I'm sure you've never changed your mind about anything you've said, in your entire life.
... right?

As Valkyrie_Lenneth had already stated, things change. People seem to cling to the statements of "There will never be a system like Ultima Online" or "Personal housing will be cheaper than FC housing", even though said statements were made very early in ARR's lifespan. Statements made by a much less experienced Yoshi-P, who has no doubt learned a lot from those mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I could care less about housing but it kinda makes me laugh how many people sit here and attack OP for what happened but if the shoe was on the other foot and it happened to you.
you'd be right in the forums angry yourselves don't pretend you wouldn't be.

this goes even for the players who don't have a house who want one because if you were able to obtain a house and lost it in the same way I betcha 100% you'd be doing what OP is doing now heh.

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So are we going to completely ignore the fact that someone was literally sitting in front of his house's door for an entire month and two weeks and not even once bothered to click on the door? It's something that takes 30 seconds! It's not a matter of attacking someone or not, it's a matter of someone complaining about something that could have been prevented if they actually cared about it, and they had an opportunity to prevent it every single day because they were not unsubbed. If they like the ward more than the fact they have to keep a house then ask a friend to share their estate. No obligations, same purpose.

OP: My house was demolished because i sat outside it for over 45 days and never once entered it! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Part of the community: It's your own fault for not entering the house once in 45 days...you had the ability to, you just didn't.

Other part of the community: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE HE SHOULD KEEP HIS HOUSE FOREVER RABBLE RABBLE

That sums up this entire thread in a nutshell.

Can we let this die now?

I do advocate for a change in housing sure... shorten the demolition timer to 24 hours. And delete all items when the plot is demolished (so zero way to pick up the lost items). That would esnure that there are plenty plots free. Want to go on holiday? Well tough luck, say goodbye to your house. As well as charge (in gil) 100'000 a day rent for a small plot, 1'000'000 a day for medium, and 10'000'000 a day rent for large plots. Miss one payment, and goodbye goes the house. They wouldn't need instanced housing then (since they seem to be so steadfastly set on no instanced housing).

For the record, I'm being sarcastic here, I actually believe we should have instanced housing. They need to sit down and make the changes required. Perhaps they could start by making the supposed Ishgard housing instanced? Then make changes to the code in a sandboxed environment bit by bit, until they figure out exactly what needs changing in the other areas to convert them to instanced housing areas (or perhaps leave them as is and just make future housing areas instanced, or perhaps add an "Instanced" version of each of the original 3 housing areas?). The data stored for each house would likely be a megabyte at most per house. Storage is cheap. I think it can be done.