Was I in the wrong?

So many lala mains hate when i /pet them. I wonder why is it so insulting to them.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

I'm sorry but that's just how online games work. Sometimes people will emote spam a rando to get a reaction out of em. It's all good fun. If that was harrassment to you, stick to single player games.

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it wasnt the emote spam it was him stopping in the middle of a dungeon run to throw insults instead of dpsing a mobs they just would not help and would mock me because i didn't avoid a set of mobs. like being down a dps.

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Originally Posted by XgungraveX

it wasnt the emote spam it was him stopping in the middle of a dungeon run to throw insults instead of dpsing a mobs they just would not help and would mock me because i didn't avoid a set of mobs. like being down a dps.

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okay but what did they say exactly? all youve said is "they were being rude and snide" and we just have to accept that at face value. for all i know those "rude and snide remarks" were them telling you what rotation to use and asking you to keep threat on mobs.

post screen shots or quote what they specifically said.d

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Originally Posted by NoirRen

So many lala mains hate when i /pet them. I wonder why is it so insulting to them.

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Not all of us feel that way who play lala as a main. If someone goes aaaah cute, must pet, then feel free lol, especially if it makes people smile and lifts their spirits, then you go right ahead and pet away :)

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

A few years ago, when I was first trying out the game, I zoned into Ul'Dah and went AFK a few moments whilst doing so. When I came back a lala was emote spamming that godsawful laugh at me. I moved away into the street to figure out what to do next in the game or where to go (I was new, didn't know what I was doing and so on), and the lala followed me, still emote laugh spamming me, and continued to do so, even when I moved further on up the street for a second time. I was flustered, didn't know what to do, but my husband advised reporting them, and for me to zone to X aetheryte, so that's what I did. A little less than an hour later, I had a GM contact me in game to check up and see if I was okay. They were very kind and understanding, and though I don't recall exactly what was said, I do remember being told that sort of behaviour was not condoned. I imagine, though I don't think they told me, the GM then went to find the offending popoto, and hopefully put it out of its misery for a short spell. Though I actually just unsubbed not long afterwards as it didn't give me the best impression of the game, amongst other things and despite the kindly intervention of the GM - though I admit that unsub was mostly because I hadn't finished up with GW2 at the time and FFXIV and I were not at a place where we could yet meet in the middle.

So... no, just because an emote is in-game, doesn't mean it's okay to use it to abuse someone else, or that a report for emote harassment will be ignored.

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Thats a really thin skin there.
I meet few people like that some of them used different emotes, it was hilarious and i laugh at them back and made few friends like that, they are just making it for fun, probably they are drunk or high. Its part of mmorpg social interactions.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Or learn manners and learn to be a nice human being for goodness sake.
It's really not that hard to be nice. If people wanna tank or think they can do better, then go do it.
Not sit around and be childish. OP did extra good by not talking and just vote kicked.
He also said they said some snide remarks as well.
We come here to play a game and have fun, not get bullied and harassed.

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Wasn't talking about OP but about that post about reporring a laugh spamming Lalafell.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

okay but what did they say exactly? all youve said is "they were being rude and snide" and we just have to accept that at face value. for all i know those "rude and snide remarks" were them telling you what rotation to use and asking you to keep threat on mobs.

post screen shots or quote what they specifically said.d

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Didnt save screenshot they were saying " you have to be special kinda person" needs more rotations by player name" and some others comments. He kept stopping to type stuff like this.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Thats a really thin skin there.
I meet few people like that some of them used different emotes, it was hilarious and i laugh at them back and made few friends like that, they are just making it for fun, probably they are drunk or high. Its part of mmorpg social interactions.

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Just wondering why it's funny or fun to follow people emote spamming. Please elaborate.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Wasn't talking about OP but about that post about reporring a laugh spamming Lalafell.

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So go on: explain to me why it's okay to follow someone around emoting at them (even though the GM response indicates it isn't). I mean, if someone's standing still and you emote and get no response, and then you follow them when they move on and keep doing it, why is that? Aren't you just wasting your time? Please help me understand. It's not like I want emotes removed from the game, they are fun! But just why is using them to go after others acceptable?

It is a known fact that there’s people who specifically use emotes just to harass people. They can be used as a weapon just like chat can. I had someone who spent two years harassing me. He HATED me for kicking him out of my previous FC for harassing the women in it (I was the leader). He got in trouble for verbally abusing me, so he started following me and spammed emotes at me. Would go out of his way to teleport where I did and hunt me down to do it. Shoot, I was doing maps with my fc and he hunted us down. Thank goddess for the aquapolis portal that got us out of there. At the time he wouldn’t get in trouble for spamming, so it was his best tool to try and bother me. I put up with it for two years, of which I hid in my personal plot and didn’t come out because I didn’t want to deal with it.

If that bothering me makes me have thin skin, fine, but he had the intent to use emotes as a form of harassment. The evil intent was there, 100%. Harassment is harassment no matter what tool they use to do it. I’m sure there’s people who abuse emotes to harass strangers for fun, because they think they won’t get in trouble for it.

I also remember back in ARR when DRGs had a certain skill that they could spam. Don’t remember what it was, I just know they jumped up and spun their spear into the ground, and it was really really loud. On my server, someone decided it was funny to make a macro that spammed that skill, and it went on all day every day in mor dhona. It was the most annoying sound, and it sucked having to go there for buying gear lol. I assume enough people reported them, because eventually they disappeared and mor dhona was FINALLY quiet again.

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

Just wondering why it's funny or fun to follow people emote spamming. Please elaborate.

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Because its a game, and someone is trying to get attention or reaction from you? Thats all what is about.
Someone laughing at stranger does not have a reason to laugh at him, but he does that to see someone else reaction at unordinary thing. It was different in the OP situation since he was doing a duty and someone was trolling him in it, but spaming emotes in the city is just a child play.
A lot of people playing this game do not take it seriously, especially minors who are trolling people around with emotes. Stop being so grumpy about it, thats sad.

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Originally Posted by LadyKairi

I also remember back in ARR when DRGs had a certain skill that they could spam. Don’t remember what it was, I just know they jumped up and spun their spear into the ground, and it was really really loud.

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Ring of Thorns. Also known as the pole dance. Kinda miss that skill but yeah... that skill and Dark Knight's Unleash are annoying when spammed non-stop.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Because its a game, and someone is trying to get attention or reaction from you? Thats all what is about.
Someone laughing at stranger does not have a reason to laugh at him, but he does that to see someone else reaction at unordinary thing. It was different in the OP situation since he was doing a duty and someone was trolling him in it, but spaming emotes in the city is just a child play.
A lot of people playing this game do not take it seriously, especially minors who are trolling people around with emotes. Stop being so grumpy about it, thats sad.

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There is using an emote a couple of times then there's literally chasing you everywhere and spamming emotes 100+ times. Random person laughing at me? sure thing. you do you buddy.
Person literally following me around spamming emotes for the next 30 minutes? Not cool.

Wether you like it or not emotes can be used as a tool for harassment.

Interestingly enough Lalas and Catgirls are the worst offenders of this second type of spam(especially if they have that voice). There is a stereotype for a reason.

Certain emote sounds annoy me as well, even when not directed at me. Comes from having ASD, since the same thing happens in real life with certain sounds. I believe you can mute emote sounds in game, which is what I did. This way people can spam whatever emotes they want and it doesn't bother me. If people are being brat with emotes, then try muting them even temporarily. It will save you a lot of stress.

I always get a kick out of it when random people run up to me and pull out their bard harp to pluck the same note over and over again. And they have no idea that I play with my sound off so I can listen to YouTube.

At risk of sounding like a dick, can we not create new threads about venting? We have a fully dedicated thread for venting, one which I've used a few times myself. Creating new threads for trivial drama like this crowds the forum and frankly lowers the value of these forums. Here's a link! Happy venting.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ry.-Let-s-vent.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Because its a game, and someone is trying to get attention or reaction from you? Thats all what is about.
Someone laughing at stranger does not have a reason to laugh at him, but he does that to see someone else reaction at unordinary thing. It was different in the OP situation since he was doing a duty and someone was trolling him in it, but spaming emotes in the city is just a child play.
A lot of people playing this game do not take it seriously, especially minors who are trolling people around with emotes. Stop being so grumpy about it, thats sad.

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I'll start this with why I posted my initial post in the first place: because it seemed as though one of the posters didn't think emote spam worthy of report. And though I'd say it'll depend on the emote, the amount of spam, the person doing the spam and their intent (and intent is what's important, btw), and the person they are spamming as to how it's dealt with, the GM who contacted me outright told me it wasn't condoned behaviour, regardless of where in game it occurs. That was supposed to be the important take-away, but I know it's often easy to overlook the point of someone who's overly verbose when they're trying to elucidate. :)

So, nah, I'm not grumpy about it. Don't assume that! I might be being quite definite about how I really despise otherwise fun stuff being used to bully or harass people, but I'm not grumpy. I can get angry about such things, but this is just a debate here. It's fun to hear all sides, so long as they're stated in a polite way. Believe you me, if anything ever happens like that to you, I will stand in your corner and fight for you (we're even on the same server. You can look me up if you need to, but I don't think you're the sort who'll have problems!). I asked for your elaboration out of a genuine wish to see why it might be a thing for someone to do this. Understanding all sides is useful to come to a general conclusion in how this kind of thing is dealt with.

I do understand what you're saying however, and despite your assumption, thank you for replying. You have a good day, you. :)

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Originally Posted by Maverick_Haas

At risk of sounding like a dick, can we not create new threads about venting? We have a fully dedicated thread for venting, one which I've used a few times myself. Creating new threads for trivial drama like this crowds the forum and frankly lowers the value of these forums. Here's a link! Happy venting.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ry.-Let-s-vent.

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Our forums are not crowded enough! And how dare you think people's issues lower the value of the forums. You don't get to judge that. =P

You guys sure like dragging out threads for as long as you can here huh

Sounds legitimate to me. I wouldn't be worried about being in the wrong here. All is well!

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

So go on: explain to me why it's okay to follow someone around emoting at them (even though the GM response indicates it isn't). I mean, if someone's standing still and you emote and get no response, and then you follow them when they move on and keep doing it, why is that? Aren't you just wasting your time? Please help me understand. It's not like I want emotes removed from the game, they are fun! But just why is using them to go after others acceptable?

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Its just culture really. In WoW, me and friends used to do the same thing. Find rando, emote at him non stop while following him, get a huge train going with more randos cuz being part of a thing is fun, good times and laughs for all. You don't go for someone specific over and over cuz then that's harassment. Some things people just read too much into and try to put a meaning or intent that was never there.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Its just culture really. In WoW, me and friends used to do the same thing. Find rando, emote at him non stop while following him, get a huge train going with more randos cuz being part of a thing is fun, good times and laughs for all. You don't go for someone specific over and over cuz then that's harassment. Some things people just read too much into and try to put a meaning or intent that was never there.

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I’m honestly surprised you and your buddies didn’t get reported, I personally don’t like fandoms bugging me and would of had a detailed report of all of you following me done. That’s just me though.

Being thin or thick skinned about emote spamming is irrelevant imo. It's what happens after a person asks to stop. You wanna follow and emote spam for fun? No problem but if the recipient asks you to stop, then stop. It's that simple.

Reminds me of the schoolkids who used to point their finger real close to your face and say "I'm not touching you" over and over and the only way to stop them was either running to a teacher or decking them in the face.


Personally, regarding the school yard, took me a long time to stop decking them in the face :p

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Its just culture really. In WoW, me and friends used to do the same thing. Find rando, emote at him non stop while following him, get a huge train going with more randos cuz being part of a thing is fun, good times and laughs for all. You don't go for someone specific over and over cuz then that's harassment. Some things people just read too much into and try to put a meaning or intent that was never there.

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I played WoW and yes I found that kinda thing annoying there too, So I wouldn't go as far as to say its a cultural thing. Here, let's put it in a real world practice and outlook. Say a new family moved in the house next to you who happened to have children that really enjoyed playing air horn wars at 2:00 in the morning or whenever you're trying to sleep. They're just having fun with each other with no outside ill meaning or intent aimed at anyone. It's good times and laughs for them, but is is good times and laughs for you? Would you laugh it off or would you maybe have a talk with their parents?

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

I don't find emote spam to be harassment. Because emotes are something Square-Enix put into the game, so they deem them acceptable language. But to each their own.

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They put free-form chat into the game, too, but that doesn't mean that all free-form chat is acceptable. Also, context is everything. For example: The healer high-fiving everyone when a boss dies is not harassment. The healer high-fiving everyone when the tank dies is very likely harassment. If the OP felt harassed, then he was harassed. If he was just being thin skinned, then he wouldn't have gotten a majority to agree to vote kick someone who even had a friend in the group with them.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Its just culture really. In WoW, me and friends used to do the same thing. Find rando, emote at him non stop while following him, get a huge train going with more randos cuz being part of a thing is fun, good times and laughs for all. You don't go for someone specific over and over cuz then that's harassment. Some things people just read too much into and try to put a meaning or intent that was never there.

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This doesn't sound like culture. This sounds like maturity level. This is the kind of thing I might have done with my buddies at age 15 when I had lots of time on my hands and relatively few RL responsibilities. Annoying a random person for the crime of simply playing the game sounds like a huge waste of time to me, not good times and laughs for all. If I were the rando in question, I would simply have you guys on ignore and go about my business. I acknowledge, however, that others are more immersed in their playing experience and might genuinely be upset by this. So even though I personally wouldn't take offense to that type of activity, I wouldn't participate in it either out of a sense of basic decency.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Its just culture really. In WoW, me and friends used to do the same thing. Find rando, emote at him non stop while following him, get a huge train going with more randos cuz being part of a thing is fun, good times and laughs for all. You don't go for someone specific over and over cuz then that's harassment. Some things people just read too much into and try to put a meaning or intent that was never there.

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What culture is that?

So, your intent is to have a good time and laughs for everyone. What happens when you pick someone who doesn't sign up to your school of good times? Are you and yours the arbiters of all good times, everyone has to adhere to what you've decided and damn them if they don't? Who gave you that power? Would you do it in the streets to just anyone? Perhaps you and your friends are a group of guys and you pick on a lone woman in the street, how does it look? Just because you don't see what's behind a toon in game, do you seriously think it's different? Do you or did you ever consider how the recipient of your attention feels or felt about it? Do you understand how, even in just one occasion, it can be construed or even misconstrued if you prefer as harassment regardless of your intent? I mean, did you openly say to your target "Hey, there! This isn't harassment. We're all just going to follow you around and emote or whatever at you for the next half hour. Don't take it personally! It's just fun!", so they know you're just following them for some weird kicks? Or do you really think that it's unimportant how other people feel, only your fun is paramount? Do or did you consider that the people you selected for this fun may only have said it was fun too because there was a group of you and they may have felt pressured?

Your intent is one thing, but it's also how it looks to the subject of your high jinks which should be of importance. Given it would seem you picked people you didn't know, how could you possibly know how they'd react? Would you even apologise if they were upset by it, or are you going to keep falling back on to them being thin of skin so it's all on them and there's no reason for you to pause, reflect and perhaps take some nuance into at least some consideration?

I mean, I know that's a ton of questions, and feel free to write it off as Answers on a Postcard, but I'm genuinely curious to see what your response is. I really don't want you to feel you have to answer everything or that I'm needling you, but consider this as my brand of fun (finding out what makes people tick). Sorry if it's a bit much! :)

But really, no one is saying don't have fun, or don't do things because bad stuff will always happen - clearly that's not true! - but if your fun comes at the expense of another person you don't even know, you've really got some hard explaining to do about yourself, and you may find yourself crossing lines you weren't aware existed.

Whether you choose to respond again on not is up to you, but thanks for replying initially all the same, and I sincerely wish you a great rest of your day/evening/whatever it is where you are. :)

Honestly, a lot of the replies on this thread make me sad. Some people just don't get it.

The simplest thing is this: Harassment is any, ANY, unwanted behavior that makes you feel uncomfortable. It doesn't matter how you rationalize it in your head that its "okay", even if it's culturally accepted, the other person doesn't even have to know it's harassment. But if it's a behavior that someone is doing specifically to you, that you find uncomfortable, that's harassment, pure and simple. It has nothing to do with thick or thin skin or understanding commonalities. Not to mention if it's brought to that persons attention and they still don't stop, well depending on what the harassment was, probable recoil is acceptable. In FFXIVs case reporting to a GM.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Its just culture really. In WoW, me and friends used to do the same thing. Find rando, emote at him non stop while following him, get a huge train going with more randos cuz being part of a thing is fun, good times and laughs for all. You don't go for someone specific over and over cuz then that's harassment. Some things people just read too much into and try to put a meaning or intent that was never there.

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Don't expect for it to be okay in this mmo, because it's harassment. Also spamming emotes with player's chat window filling up over and over with the same expressed action is disruptive to other's game play and can be reported as such. Thank goodness mobs are hard to train here because they loose aggro range very quickly. I hope you check that sort of behavior and think twice before attempting the same in this game.

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Originally Posted by Ceridwenae

What culture is that?

So, your intent is to have a good time and laughs for everyone. What happens when you pick someone who doesn't sign up to your school of good times? Are you and yours the arbiters of all good times, everyone has to adhere to what you've decided and damn them if they don't? Who gave you that power? Would you do it in the streets to just anyone? Perhaps you and your friends are a group of guys and you pick on a lone woman in the street, how does it look? Just because you don't see what's behind a toon in game, do you seriously think it's different? Do you or did you ever consider how the recipient of your attention feels or felt about it? Do you understand how, even in just one occasion, it can be construed or even misconstrued if you prefer as harassment regardless of your intent? I mean, did you openly say to your target "Hey, there! This isn't harassment. We're all just going to follow you around and emote or whatever at you for the next half hour. Don't take it personally! It's just fun!", so they know you're just following them for some weird kicks? Or do you really think that it's unimportant how other people feel, only your fun is paramount? Do or did you consider that the people you selected for this fun may only have said it was fun too because there was a group of you and they may have felt pressured?

Your intent is one thing, but it's also how it looks to the subject of your high jinks which should be of importance. Given it would seem you picked people you didn't know, how could you possibly know how they'd react? Would you even apologise if they were upset by it, or are you going to keep falling back on to them being thin of skin so it's all on them and there's no reason for you to pause, reflect and perhaps take some nuance into at least some consideration?

I mean, I know that's a ton of questions, and feel free to write it off as Answers on a Postcard, but I'm genuinely curious to see what your response is. I really don't want you to feel you have to answer everything or that I'm needling you, but consider this as my brand of fun (finding out what makes people tick). Sorry if it's a bit much! :)

But really, no one is saying don't have fun, or don't do things because bad stuff will always happen - clearly that's not true! - but if your fun comes at the expense of another person you don't even know, you've really got some hard explaining to do about yourself, and you may find yourself crossing lines you weren't aware existed.

Whether you choose to respond again on not is up to you, but thanks for replying initially all the same, and I sincerely wish you a great rest of your day/evening/whatever it is where you are. :)

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It was just how it was. Things happened. Wanna go storm an enemy main city during the next hour? Let's shout in the city chat and get 40+ people to go. No raid group no nothing. Random war like engagement over the most random point of interests on the map? A-yup. Random conga lines in Ogrimmar? You bet! You see, it was just what happened in the hubs. Same thing as the chat randomly spamming [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]. If someone didn't want to lead the clown fiesta that ensued, they usually outran us with a mount or zoned somewhere else or some other stuff but some took it in stride and just led this amazing mob of players just spamming some random emote. You knew if someone made the train sounds (there's a choo-choo emote/sound bite that's spammable), you best believe the whole hub was gonna spam that for a solid 10-15 minutes. Hell leading one of those was how I found out about them as when I started playing, I didn't hang around the main cities much as I was levelling 99% of the time so it was a fun surprise.

We didn't know they'd react, the plan was to emote till they did but we usually got bored and moved on if they didn't. Yes some people asked questions but it'd usually be like "why?" "idk we're bored dude" "lol k". Back then people we doing the most random shenanigans just because. Didn't need organization, didn't need planning, didn't need more than 5 people. We just went and we had a blast doing so. I guess it's just an aspect of the genre that died as the players became more diverse and more sensitive.

Also to the person that said it floods chat, I think performance music is awful 95% of the time and you don't see me complaining. Just like for the emote text, there's a nifty lil option to disable that. Go figure that one out.

How about "don't inconvenience others and you won't have to worry about being punished"?

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Honestly, a lot of the replies on this thread make me sad. Some people just don't get it.

The simplest thing is this: Harassment is any, ANY, unwanted behavior that makes you feel uncomfortable. It doesn't matter how you rationalize it in your head that its "okay", even if it's culturally accepted, the other person doesn't even have to know it's harassment. But if it's a behavior that someone is doing specifically to you, that you find uncomfortable, that's harassment, pure and simple. It has nothing to do with thick or thin skin or understanding commonalities. Not to mention if it's brought to that persons attention and they still don't stop, well depending on what the harassment was, probable recoil is acceptable. In FFXIVs case reporting to a GM.

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Sometimes life includes things you don't want to hear.
Someone may be playing very incorrectly, to the point they are unknowingly causing disruptions in the party.
You want an ice mage to never be told using fire spells is how the job works, simply because he may be offended over being told he's playing wrong? Want someone that doesn't know the difference between stack markers and proximity damage markers to never learn?

These are simple examples, of course. Lifes intricacies means much more subjective themes. You'll never be able to please everyone, so the best course of action would be open discussion. Not just blanket claiming everything can be considered harassment.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Sometimes life includes things you don't want to hear.
Someone may be playing very incorrectly, to the point they are unknowingly causing disruptions in the party.
You want an ice mage to never be told using fire spells is how the job works, simply because he may be offended over being told he's playing wrong? Want someone that doesn't know the difference between stack markers and proximity damage markers to never learn?

These are simple examples, of course. Lifes intricacies means much more subjective themes. You'll never be able to please everyone, so the best course of action would be open discussion. Not just blanket claiming everything can be considered harassment.

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I don't think you got what I meant. There is a difference between saying something someone doesn't wanna hear and harassing that person. In your ice mage example, if you try to tell them that they are doing something wrong by informing them about the proper way, that is not harassment, because it's not something directed at them it's directed to them; similar to the laughing with you or laughing at you thing. But if you were to poke fun at the way they play and how stupid they are for not using this spell or this rotation, then that would be harassment.

Plus, if the person on the receiving end says stop and you or anyone persist, then it's definitely harassment at that point.

Haha, what?

Everything is harassment, i am offended you are susspended.
Can we have a button to delete chat from the game forever? So many souls will be saved from ban.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I don't think you got what I meant. There is a difference between saying something someone doesn't wanna hear and harassing that person. In your ice mage example, if you try to tell them that they are doing something wrong by informing them about the proper way, that is not harassment, because it's not something directed at them it's directed to them; similar to the laughing with you or laughing at you thing. But if you were to poke fun at the way they play and how stupid they are for not using this spell or this rotation, then that would be harassment.

Plus, if the person on the receiving end says stop and you or anyone persist, then it's definitely harassment at that point.

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You're contradicting yourself.

You just said "But if it's a behavior that someone is doing specifically to you, that you find uncomfortable, that's harassment, pure and simple" and then tried to claim that there was more nuance there... which is it?

That ice mage might find the very idea of anyone suggesting they change anything they're doing uncomfortable. It isn't a logical response but it's defintely one a lot of people have to the point that "you don't pay my sub" is a meme here.

You don't get to decide what harrassment is, the system that would be punishing said harrassment does. In real life this is generally the legal system. I've known feminists when I was younger who thought a man holding the door open for them was harrassment but they can't call the police if that occurs because they'd be laughed at at best. That's good, their opinion of harrassment doesn't fall within the appropriate confines and is therefore irrelevant.

Being offended over something trivial is childish and entitled, it isn't something that rational adults often do and virtually never is it acted upon without that action being extremely petty.

holy hell this topic got way out of hand,so im going to make it clear as possible. i wasn't upset about the emote spam or the comments, i was upset that he was hold up dungeon process to do what he was doing. why should a dungeon that take 15-20mins be a hour because they wanted mock me on everything i did from here on out?

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Originally Posted by Anatha

How about "don't inconvenience others and you won't have to worry about being punished"?

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Too easy. I want people to coddle me being a jerk at all times and if they dont how dare they.

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Originally Posted by XgungraveX

holy hell this topic got way out of hand,so im going to make it clear as possible. i wasn't upset about the emote spam or the comments, i was upset that he was hold up dungeon process to do what he was doing. why should a dungeon that take 15-20mins be a hour because they wanted mock me on everything i did from here on out?

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This forums kind of really weird like that.

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Originally Posted by XgungraveX

He friend call us both idiots and said reported for false boot then left.

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That makes me wonder what it's like being a GM going through those unfair kicking reports.

I bet nearly every time someone gets booted from a group for behaving like an ass they report the people who kicked them.

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Originally Posted by Reeereee

That makes me wonder what it's like being a GM going through those unfair kicking reports.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

You're contradicting yourself.

You just said "But if it's a behavior that someone is doing specifically to you, that you find uncomfortable, that's harassment, pure and simple" and then tried to claim that there was more nuance there... which is it?...

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I can see how you've come to that conclusion, but I didn't contradict myself. I specifically said behavior, and the act of conversation, without emotion, is not behavioral, as most text based communication is. Only when emotion is added does it fall under that category. The example that was provided by Canadane was exactly that.

But I will say that you are right there is probably more nuance to my statement than I initially indicated. And the gesture you gave, about the door, would be behavioral, and qualify. But as you said it would seem pointless in societal court.

On that note, I concede, so that the poor OP can rest.