Devs, can we please have a response?

Yikes! You guys are getting way too crazy and pushy over things. There are already more then enough ways to...."express"....your movement, in game. Sheesh!

I must ask though, is the game going to be solely focused on LGBT only or will it be balanced for players who are just here for the fun of the game's storyline/content itself?

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Originally Posted by Angelov-Mercy

I must ask though, is the game going to be solely focused on LGBT only or will it be balanced for players who are just here for the fun of the game's storyline/content itself?

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what does this have to do with lgbt issues, i thought this was about a male rabbit or something

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

what does this have to do with lgbt issues, i thought this was about a male rabbit or something

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Has nohing to do with it, since the requests to play male viera are about two years old and it was made from different players who didn't define their irl gender much less their sexual orientation publicly which obviously isn't even relevant to the game structure itself.

I mean... From what I can gather from Yoshi's prior responses...

Is that Male Viera and Female Hrothgar are not going to happen.

Unless he can persuade his boss that giving the team extra resources to make them will be profitable for the company.

Since it seems like he was asking for the resources to add in a new race and eventually got the green light to allow them to actually make one, thus he decided to make the Hrothgar (Possibly due to wanting them in the MSQ lore) and then in order to make the most out of the opportunity also decided to make the female Viera which have been highly requested.

He could have just gone for just Hrothgar both genders and no-one would be upsetti (Unless he stated that it would be the last race implemented into the game, which would have annoyed all the people asking for Viera) but it seems to me like he's trying to create a situation whereby profits for a single new race worth of work are maximized AND fans will be up in a frenzy asking for removal of genderlock - Which would be very good things for strengthening his bargaining positioning when asking for additional resources for more race/gender inclusion.

So, it strikes me as something that we won't hear back from, until at LEAST after ShB actually drops so that SE knows the kind of profits (If any) they made from their investment into allowing Yoshi and his team to develop this new race. If it is profitable, then Yoshi will have to ask again for the resources to implement the other genders and will be able to use these profits AND the fan feedback that is very adamant about wanting these genders (Keep supporting those mega-threads about the genders) to argue that it will be a worthwhile investment.

If the female Viera and male Hrothgar do not make a profit significant enough, you will likely hear that there will be no plans to add the other genders as the team will simply not get the resources.

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Originally Posted by Angelov-Mercy

Yikes! You guys are getting way too crazy and pushy over things. There are already more then enough ways to...."express"....your movement, in game. Sheesh!

I must ask though, is the game going to be solely focused on LGBT only or will it be balanced for players who are just here for the fun of the game's storyline/content itself?

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You really don't think anyone beyond the "expressive" (for lack of a better term) subset of LGBT people would have a reason to want male Viera and/or female Hrothgar - and only because of sex appeal?

I'm not any of those things, and I wanted them because they seemed like interesting character designs - particularly the concept art we had for 'warrior' male Viera.

Also it just seems odd to only ever see one gender of a race. They can make their lore-excuses about unbalanced birth rates and reclusive gender-roles, but it just seems strange to have so many of the playable races in that situation. (Miqo'te still have the lore supporting unbalanced mostly-female populations, even if they've stepped away from not being able to show males at all.)

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

what does this have to do with lgbt issues, i thought this was about a male rabbit or something

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That is the whole reason for overly masculine females and feminine males. The devs thought to cater to guys who wanted bunny girls jumping around, but they forgot about the other tribe they picked up along the way. lol

Why do you think the backlash by them is so intense?

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Originally Posted by Angelov-Mercy

That is the whole reason for overly masculine females and feminine males. The devs thought to cater to guys who wanted bunny girls jumping around, but they forgot about the other tribe they picked up along the way. lol

Why so you think the backlash by them is so intense?

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Again someone is missing the obvious: around two years ago the different players that requested male viera as a playable gender did not define their irl gender publicly much less their sexual orientation.

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Originally Posted by Angelov-Mercy

That is the whole reason for overly masculine females and feminine males. The devs thought to cater to guys who wanted bunny girls jumping around, but they forgot about the other tribe they picked up along the way. lol

Why so you think the backlash by them is so intense?

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you seem to be pushing an agenda here my dude maybe sit down and drink some calming tea

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Again someone is missing the obvious: around two years ago the different players that requested male viera as a playable gender did not define their irl gender publicly much less their sexual orientation.

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Those arent the guys pushing the fan art in the threads that came flooding in, you arent fooling anyone.

Apparently you missed the official response OP.

Yoshida said in several interviews that "they are not saying 'no' to completing the missing genders". But that he isn't making any promises either. In other words, if they find the time and resources to do it, they will. But if they can't, they won't.

The important thing is that they aren't saying "no, we don't want to do this", because they would like to if they can find the time and resources. Just don't expect it until much later (likely at least 6.0)

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Originally Posted by Angelov-Mercy

That is the whole reason for overly masculine females and feminine males. The devs thought to cater to guys who wanted bunny girls jumping around, but they forgot about the other tribe they picked up along the way. lol

Why so you think the backlash by them is so intense?

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You may have missed my previous post - there's nothing wrong or "inherently LGBT" about wanting a masculine female race or feminine male race. They're just character designs.

The primary concept art shown for male Viera doesn't even look that feminine. I actually thought they looked interesting because they didn't apply the "bunny girl" concept to the males but designed these rather powerful warrior types. It's a concept I would have loved to play around with for a character.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Again someone is missing the obvious: two years ago the different players that requested male viera as a playable gender did not define their irl gender publicly much less their sexual orientation.

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That seems irrelevant. People don't usually announce their gender/preferences alongside anything else they show support for. You can't trace something like that or say there's no correlation.

(Not saying there is, but that you can't use it as proof that there isn't.)

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Originally Posted by Angelov-Mercy

Those arent the guys pushing the fan art in the threads that came flooding in, you arent fooling anyone.

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Could say the same to you, you aren't fooling anyone those that deliver art can do in the request of others doesn't make you know their irl gender much less their sexual orientation or do you have god complex?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That seems irrelevant. People don't usually announce their gender/preferences alongside anything else they show support for. You can't trace something like that or say there's no correlation.

(Not saying there is, but that you can't use it as proof that there isn't.)

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It is an irrelevant subject never state to be important only mentioned because there was a sentence implying that the requests to play male viera were made by LGBT groups only, when there is no way of one knowing that.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I was under the understanding Hrothgar was the only planned race that initially made it outside concept, but then they decided to do Viera as well. So Viera took the female slot of Hrothgar.

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I'm referring to once it was finalized and under development as "Original". I didn't really pay much attention before anything was "announced" since I didn't care what the new race was, I just wanted more stuff.

it's been 3 weeks I know that might seem like forever to some of you but just sit back and chill.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Could say the same to you, you aren't fooling anyone those that deliver art can do in the request of others doesn't make you know their irl gender much less their sexual orientation or do you have god complex?

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Im asking the devs questions, not making demands. There is a difference in how I approach people and things, I ask questions directly and hope for an answer. When I make a request, I leave it at the persons convenience. If it doesn't come my way, I don't pitch a fit, start a coercion campaign or shoot down people who don't agree with it. If I had a god complex, I would not be as submissive enough to offer the courtesy mentioned above...nor would others consider me approachable if I did the latter.

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Originally Posted by Angelov-Mercy

Im asking the devs questions, not making demands. There is a difference in how I approach people and things, I ask questions directly and hope for an answer. When I make a request, I leave it at the persons convenience. If it doesn't come my way, I don't pitch a fit, start a coercion campaign or shoot down people who don't agree with it. If I had a god complex, I would not be as submissive enough to offer the courtesy mentioned above...nor would others consider me approachable if I did the latter.

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If you don't have god complex then do not presume all the players requests made to play Male Viera are from LGBT groups only, the way they made their requests were via polls, fan art and by expressing their opinion in a constructive way.
(Those who didn't express their opinion in a constructive way and with blatant disgusting insinuations were requested to change their methods, either via players either reporting.)

My goal as of a random player along with other random players who aren't affected by the introduction of the new races was to help the other players achieve their request and it happened as a result of their clear and extreme disappointment reaction either expressed in these forums either expressed in FFXIV instagram either in game, and it was always in a sense of request not a demand because persons are not owners of the final SE product, whatever they decide to implement is their decision.

So quit making a thing when there isn't one.

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

So quit making a thing when there isn't one.

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You guys should take your own advice. The forums would be a lot calmer.

EDIT: I can see you just wish to get in the last word, so by all means, be the dominant voice if that is your preference.

I hate to be that guy.. but it's barely been a month and you're asking for updates on Male V? How about wait til we get updates on things we KNOW they are working on.. I dunno something huge the team's been working on? Something like a massive 5.0 thing they've been releasing info about this year, Hell we're waiting on the battle updates coming up. And thatt was planned. Asking about something that wasn't planned and expecting a reply BEFORE the planned events is sofar past silly it'll be more realistic to see Sonic's movie be great. Yeah sonic... I went there. Deal with it hedgehog.

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Originally Posted by Angelov-Mercy

You guys should take your own advice. The forums would be a lot calmer.

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As if was me that did made the OP did answer the OP nothing more, quit making a thing when there isn't one.