Give us girly boys and manly women! Bigger issues than bunny boys?

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Originally Posted by ScarboroughFairy

Refer to both Lalafell and Roegadyn.

As I said, I thought the initial ARR races had a good mix of body types, and actually all the males and females of each race are "pairs" of body types. It's only the expansions that have added vastly different "paired" male and female designs.

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Originally Posted by ScarboroughFairy

This implies that there are gaps that need to be filled in a bid to be unique and all-inclusive--which is a neverending struggle in and of itself. You're never going to be able to include everything people might enjoy.

No, you can't please everybody - but you can try to please as many as you can, and if there are enough characters with similar designs in one way, you can do something different next time. If there are obvious gaps in character types that people are asking for, you can try to fill them.

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Originally Posted by ScarboroughFairy

Yet, they are literally, as of right now, the only race to introduce this type of concept. Maybe some of us was waiting to seen this concept executed: slender, elegant, warrior females who, by their cultural standards, see nothing wrong with the attire that they don. You can lambast the devs all day for passing them off as "sex toys for men to ogle at", but you forget one thing: lesbians exist, too. I would know, I am one.

But people take offense to that like a bunch of Mormon housewives. In a game where the starting racial attire has been practical and arguably conservative, the moment it deviates from the norm with the introduction of Viera, the shit immediately hits the fan. Dunno about you, but that sounds a lot like slutshaming to me. Literally no one is allowed to be sexy.

It's not about the costume itself (I have more issue with it being a direct copy of a specific character's gear, instead of something unique), but that it seems completely incongruous with their "jungle warrior" lore. If they were wearing the exact same amount of clothing in practical-looking cloth and, I don't know, woven vines? Fine. But black leather and sheer gauze? Um, what.

Also that they were only shown doing cute flirty poses, and not being elegant warriors. Which is... well, it that's how they want to market them, fine. But it's clearly aimed at "the audience" and seems totally at odds with how they've been described in the game so far. I have no prior familiarity with them, only what was described by the Dramaturge.

And yes I realise that people of both genders may find them attractive - I never said anything about it being only for men to stare at.

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Originally Posted by ScarboroughFairy

Inversely, me wanting to enjoy playing a slim, sexy girl is an affront to women everywhere, reinforces negative stereotypes of women, and is a direct assault on the LGBTQ+ community.

Despite being ardently lesbian myself. Must be some sort of "internalized misogyny" /s

I'm sorry, do you think I meant that? Because I honestly didn't.

There is nothing wrong with having "slim sexy girls" in the game. Or using them. Or dressing them up in whatever you like.

I'm just saying... I just meant to say... your original question was, "what's wrong with women conforming with the typical archetype of beauty, grace, and sensuality and men conforming with strength, ferocity, and fortitude?" - and there isn't anything wrong with that. There are plenty of opportunities to do that. But they seem to keep giving more of those same opportunities instead of doing something different.

I'm not trying to be all "tear down gender norms" or anything, I just like variety in character designs, and don't think every new race in a fantasy setting needs to follow those archetypes.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

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If you feel some clothings are sometimes weird considering the climate... well, there are many things (without bothering me to remember them) that made me think: "kinda strange, not really realistic but never mind". After all it is a fantasy game.

Anyway. What will follow is more general.

The problem is not people say they are disppointed. It is absolutly audible. We can understand that, but bringing in a fantasy virtual world problems from the real world, plus when it sounds as a whim, mainly (exclusivly?!) from SJW's(?) from North America...

Gimme a break. A minority of LGBTQ activists are loosing common sens and will provoke a massive grudge against them. They should be warned that the wish to be considered as banal is ok but if they want to take the lead, they will meet a big problem : the majority can respect them but will fast refuse to be lead by them if they try to become the standard.

You want to be banal ok it's fine, you want to become the standard to get the lead, don't be surprise to meet resistance and maybe unfortunatly, to build a grudge against you by your own fault not because your are part of the LGBTQ community but because of your temper.

Why does everyone think male viera were going to be overly effeminate.

Their concept art was depicting them being fairly muscular, similar in proportions to Au Ra males, but perhaps not as tall.