Since when is Bard an Archer?

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

How are you so late on this, we've know arc=brd for months now, if you need explanation maybe you should look and see BARDS don't use HARPS in this game, since there will be no job specific weapons, brds will be using bows, even after that the weapon advertised is like a bow-harp, more bow than instrument. Please check concept art readily available and the new job weaponskill video on youtube before posting something everyone already knows.

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then why is there a giant harp attached to the bow:)

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=slapi...z96jrDQ&zoom=1

On a side note, this topic should be transferred to the Archer forums.

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Originally Posted by neorei

slappn the bass mon

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you just gave me an idea

Ideal bard:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3286/stringd.jpg

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Thancred is a bard and uses throwing knives. :o

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Came in to post this.

But I think he calls himself a bard to get into pants instead of actually having a job-stone equipped. :P

(Starting City: Lominsa)

Silly people. Stop using your brains and questioning what's given to you. Squeenix only asks for your blind, unwavering, acceptance. If Squeenix says 2+2=5, it is so.

Check out White Knight Chronicles! Their bow user resembles the bard concept a lot. They get attacks that enfeeble the mob, songs that restore hp/mp and even a revive. It's a very good place to look at a bard concept that is very similar to how bard will be here. It's a beast of a class from what I hear in online play. It's very handy in normal gameplay too... but that's derailing. If you look at other games that use a bow for bard, you'll see that it actually works out well.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

then why is there a giant harp attached to the bow:)

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=slapi...z96jrDQ&zoom=1

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Did you not see the part where I clearly said even after JSW it will be more bow than harp? You should read before accusing me of not looking.

http://atn.wanderingskald.com/screen...picbard_02.jpg

i played bard on DAoC and i had a bow and a sword and it pwned! :D but still lets see how brd turns out it might be awesome~ altho i did like FFXI's brd D:

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Thancred is a bard and uses throwing knives. :o

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Thancred is AWESOME....

If this was an offline game... he should be the main character....

Not to mension that Archer as a ranged DD converts well to a presumably ranged* Buffing "class".

Archer: I'm a firin' my bow lazor!
Bard: ♫DoDeDo♪~ Buffs done! I'm a firin' my bow lazor!

*Like decent range on the buffs, if Bard has to run closer to buff, it's lamesauce.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

then why is there a giant harp attached to the bow:)

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=slapi...z96jrDQ&zoom=1

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You can't go by that kind of logic in this game when it comes to weapons.

By saying that, you could've insinuated (before the moogle fight came out and you knew better), that the mog on the Moogle bow helped you in battle, or casted kupo magic on you or allies. Just because it's visually there, does not mean it is functionally. I think it would be complicated and difficult to make that kind of movement/functionality with a weapon in ffxiv as it is now, perhaps in 2.0...

Perhaps a vague allusion to Robbin Hood in a way. There has been a long association with the character and the bardic tale telling style. (And indeed some musicals in more modern fixtures... but few worth mentioning heh.) So you have a story teller, musician, and song combined with the long standing legend of archers and adventures.

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Originally Posted by Halvaard_Vidan

Not to mension that Archer as a ranged DD converts well to a presumably ranged* Buffing "class".

*Like decent range on the buffs, if Bard has to run closer to buff, it's lamesauce.

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Well they're centered around the player, according to the abilties reform list Gildrein posted a while back. So if the range is too long, then hopefully all party members will want the same song. >.>

If the range on a self-AoE is too big, you'll have to run several yalms to one side of the fight to buff melee with +tp song, and then to the opposite side with mages to cast +mp song. >.>;

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Originally Posted by Finchley

Oh I see , well I knew arc unlocked bard I just thought it was strange that arc would unlock bard but didn't think much of it until I watched the new job weapon skills and wondered why they showing arc and then realised it was the bard and I was like wtf ?? Any how I find it very strange that a Mage job Is now more a mele jon

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what have bards to do with magic? nothing... (in other rpgs bards dont use MANA)

and i think its aussum the way they designed bard in FFXIV.

in FFXI bards are just there for buffing the group .. and mostly had white mage as a subjob .. they were really gimped when it comes to curing (less MP)

now in FFXIV bards have MUCH more to do than only rebuffing the group every minutes.. i think bard is much more interesting now. and a supporter role does very fit to a ranged attacker like the archer is.
this idea was really brillant and is really something new.


bards in other MMOs have been mostly very boring. (just playing instruments for most of the time and thats it).. and hey in which MMO you have a class with a bow that is half of an instrument and transforms into a harp?


brillant fresh idea i think it is. and thats what FFXIV needs, fresh new ideas and ways. i think the FFXIV bard will work really great.. he isnt in close range when it comes to combat and can rebuff the group safeley from the distance. and he can do some damage also, that he isnt useless after buffing the group.

i regret right now that i dont have leveled my arch class..

Here's another example of a Bard that uses weapons.
I had forgotten all about this movie until I read this thread. YAY!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_25jQE6NvKN...rai+-+1998.jpg

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Originally Posted by Dusk_Shardveil

Perhaps a vague allusion to Robbin Hood in a way. There has been a long association with the character and the bardic tale telling style. (And indeed some musicals in more modern fixtures... but few worth mentioning heh.) So you have a story teller, musician, and song combined with the long standing legend of archers and adventures.

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OM-Frikkin-G

ROBIN HOOD: Men in Tights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Rydin

OM-Frikkin-G

ROBIN HOOD: Men in Tights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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there you go !

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

there you go !

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thats it... thats bard

/facepalm

I just don't understand this. The first post under the original is that "FFXIV =/= FFXI", so the OP is being called out for comparing a game within the Final Fantasy universe but everyone else in here can post up counter examples from other places such as Robin Hood: Men in Tights (great movie btw) and no one sees anything wrong with that?

I think the OP has a valid reasoning for questioning why a Bard in this game carries around a bow instead of a Flute especially considering the fact that all the races are the same from FFXI. I don't care if the Rodaegyns don't have a tail in this game they are still a Galka and call the catgirls Miqo'te all you want, they are still essentially a mithra.

Point being is that no one questions those aspects but when someone compares FFXIV to FFXI you get a bandwagon full of people stating that this is not FFXI... Heaven forbid someone questions something that SE does, onoes!

/endrant

Okay Bards and Bows have been synonymous since the beginning of days.

The reason why Bards go with Bows is simply because a Bow needs to be expertly strung to function properly. Henceforth, since Bards typically used stringed instruments or instruments that you need to tune properly...it has always been their weapon of choice.

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Originally Posted by Dinh

/facepalm

I just don't understand this. The first post under the original is that "FFXIV =/= FFXI", so the OP is being called out for comparing a game within the Final Fantasy universe but everyone else in here can post up counter examples from other places such as Robin Hood: Men in Tights (great movie btw) and no one sees anything wrong with that?

I think the OP has a valid reasoning for questioning why a Bard in this game carries around a bow instead of a Flute especially considering the fact that all the races are the same from FFXI. I don't care if the Rodaegyns don't have a tail in this game they are still a Galka and call the catgirls Miqo'te all you want, they are still essentially a mithra.

Point being is that no one questions those aspects but when someone compares FFXIV to FFXI you get a bandwagon full of people stating that this is not FFXI... Heaven forbid someone questions something that SE does, onoes!

/endrant

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You're right. There is nothing wrong with the OP asking why and stating that his idea of Bard comes from FFXI... anyone that jumps on his case about that is wrong...
We all have games that weigh so heavily in our minds that everything that comes after is only judged relative to that one great game
The OP wasn't really even looking for an answer... Just a discussion... I would think we'd be able to handle that without fighting... guess not

Also... yea.. Men in tights owns