A counter to this would be Moon Keeper Miqo'te, which are basically the same thing lore wise. The males are rare and secluded, only coming to the clans when it's time to reproduce. They also gave Sun Keepers a similar storyline where the Nunh's are basically stuck back at the tribe doing administration work and can rarely leave their duties, with the Tia's helping them and having similar restrictions. A good portion of the Titan build up handles this, and even in Stormblood we see that the males of traditional clans have very little freedom unless they're outcasts. Those who have left the clans are generally freer and we already know Viera have been known to leave, even if they do so only once in a blue moon. (Though that doesn't account for those who left and reproduced. So a stable population outside the Wood is very likely.)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElazulHP
They already found a way to bend the lore for gameplay. Hell, they've bent the lore numerous times for the same of gameplay. It's already pretty well known that the lore team takes a back seat when necessary. So while I get your point, I don't see why this would be the hill they want to die on when they've caved on similar issues in the past.
Gender locked race?
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02-02-2019, 07:37 PMEnla
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02-02-2019, 07:37 PMEndeleonExcept at previous fanfests they did this exact same thing of only showing the women first. LMAO you guys.... c'mon.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:38 PMRokkeMale miqos are supposed to be rare in lore and they're one of (if not THE) most popular male player character comboQuote:
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02-02-2019, 07:39 PMBeckettTheir own lore that THEY created when designing this race for FFXIV! They could have very easily just not had the males be secluded and limited in numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElazulHP
You can't even argue that the lore already existed in other games, because the Ivalice of FFXIV is not the same Ivalice as FFT/FFXII. Remarkably similar, sure, but there are plenty of differences, and one of those could have easily been that male Viera are plentiful and seen. -
02-02-2019, 07:39 PMInkstainedGwynAs a follow up, they also create the lore, so it's their choice to make them a race with a "rare gender". Even if they were that way previously in other games, they've had no problems coming out to say that the Ivalice, Dalmasca, etc. of XIV are not the same ones of Tactics and 12. They could have easily tweaked the lore to make it more balanced, especially since they've already done the "m/f live separately" schtick with miqo'te.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:40 PMNestamaThey revealed male and female Au Ra at the same time... the Dark Knight was a male Au Ra!Quote:
Originally Posted by Endeleon
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02-02-2019, 07:40 PMJunseiKeiYou can't really control the players' choice of race and gender combination. However, FFXI did make a gender-locked race before. Two, actually. Galka were males only while Mithra were female only. Mithra having Viera's stipulation that males were rare and basically kept in villages for breeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokke
Yup. That's why I said it'd be in very poor taste if it were planned to be male and female, but only show females, especially if it came down to "the males weren't finished yet." Base models should be done already. 5 months is not that long of a time in development for a game.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:40 PMGenericMagus
Well SE broke Blue Mage going into 2019, guess they also wanna make sure Viera make people unhappy too.
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02-02-2019, 07:41 PMRodaMoonkeepers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElazulHP
Yet, thanks to SE understanding that people playing the character they want to play is more important than made up lore that isn't real and is designed as an excuse to be lazy/cheap, nearly half my male friends play moonkeeper males.
Remember adventurers are a rare breed too. Special members of their races that were gifted with the echo and set out to murderfy some gods.
Hell miqo'te are LITERALLY supposed to be the least populated race in eorzea, yet there's no queue to make one when they're one of the most popular player races.
They did the same thing with xiv 1.0, and decided it was real dumb when making arr and fixed it.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:41 PMWolf_Heartnet
Viera needs males. If they don't add males then they need to add a male only race.
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02-02-2019, 07:42 PMDevonEllwoodThey almost look like they're recycled assets. Pink haired one looks like she has a female Au Ra pose and the one of the far right looks like an Elezen pose. So either they're unlocking poses, or there's bits of other races in there.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:43 PMJunseiKei>Some of us haven't forgotten it was rumored to have two new races for Shadowbringers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolf_Heartnet
Even though they said Viera was the last race, given the amount of trolling before showing Viera, it wouldn't surprise me at this point. Also, because players tend to like to bring up SE making _ promise and not keeping it. It would be a little nice to have them 'break' this 'promise.' -
02-02-2019, 07:44 PMInkstainedGwynWell, there have been leaks that Ronso were also going to be added, so... I'm starting to wonder if that's not the case. F!viera, M!ronso.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:45 PMEnlaHonestly I'd be at least content if that was the case. I also wouldn't put it past the cavalcade of trolls to do exactly that.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:45 PMWolf_HeartnetQuote:
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02-02-2019, 07:45 PMCroweyes
You all know there is a 3rd fanfest right?
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02-02-2019, 07:46 PMRodaCTRL + C 1.0 miqo'te/roegadyn/highlander idiocyQuote:
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02-02-2019, 07:47 PMInkstainedGwynI'm not really sure what the stance is on the forums so I'm not going to drop links but if you google ffxiv, viera, and leaks, you'll get links to the discussions.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:48 PMJunseiKeiA friend over at GameFAQs, I think? It's an outside source that has predicted things in the past with high success rates. So far in most recent rumors, they leaked Gunblade as a tank. They leaked 'Adam and Eve' for the final raid tier that we have now, as well as Omega as the third fight, Chaos as the first and Midgardsormr. They predicted Dancer for Shadowbringers, too, and two new races, one of which was Viera. The second race they left out because it's a 'story spoiler.'Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:49 PMInkstainedGwynIn which it would be really lame to get the other gender of a race already announced? Even if that is how they do it (which is not how they did au ra) it would just be them trying to fill space with info they've already released. Are we suggesting they've started handling their fanfests the way they handle their segmented patches?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croweyes
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02-02-2019, 07:50 PMDuskanenot so much the mention of a lion raceQuote:
Originally Posted by Wolf_Heartnet
but the guy who leaked basically all up to 4.5 only being wrong on Blue mages premise as a job (saying it was a physical support dps)
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02-02-2019, 07:51 PMEnlaAs a small aside, I do feel like they need to cut down on the number of fanfests. Even back during Heavenward and Stormblood's reveals the information came at an almost painful crawl due to them needing to show something flashy for each event to make it relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn
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02-02-2019, 07:53 PMNovak_04Now that you mention it, it does seem rather suspicious that they have stressed "this will probably be the last race" more than once. Are they notorious for announcing "this is the last time we're doing this" during their FanFests? I've only recently started getting into the FF franchise, so I'm no expert on the subject (hence my reasoning for this discussion).Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:54 PMJunseiKeiRight. They retconned a lot of lore in regards to 1.0. However, Viera belong to a different installment of Final Fantasy with a very specific lore and players did ask for Viera. READ: Players did not ask for an original FFXIV bunny race. They asked for a race from Ivalice. I'm just sayin'.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:54 PMRodaQuote:
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If they didn't want us to worry, they wouldn't be coy with us as if they didn't have a track record of cutting corners on their player race choices.Quote:
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Except catboys and femroes are literally the best modeled and animated characters in ARR.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:55 PMRokkeThats literally the point I was making. 1.0 lore had Miqos gender locked to female only because the males were rare and kept back at home for breeding. In-game (msq/open world/siedquests/etc) the male miqo representation is about right: for every male you see an army of females. Other player's characters don't really matter in the grand scheme of lore because as far as MSQ is concerned the other players' WoLs don't exist.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:57 PMJunseiKeiYeah, that's something that gets hit on a lot that a lot of players seem to discard. There's only one Warrior of Light in the story. Other player characters you pick up are just adventurers and are even referred to as such. Final Fantasy sticks to their established lore. Those two male Miqo'te you happen to have in party might be the only two male Miqo'te for that whole region. They're just not part of your story. Basically, people not separating game mechanics from game story/lore.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 07:59 PMEnlaThere's one Chosen of Hydaelyn, there's many Warriors of Light according to ARR. They somewhat dropped/retconned the plotpoint in subsequent expansions, but they're pretty specific about there being multiple people who made the time leap from Carteanu at the start of the MSQ.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 08:00 PMRodaIt is outright stated that xiv's ivalice is not 12/tactics ivalice. Canon is, or ate least should be, determined by what makes the game fun to play, not beholden to some unrelated story in an unrelated universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by JunseiKei
And I'd put money that "we want viera" was said not because people wanted them to ctrl + c, ctrl + v from 12/tactics, lazy restrictions and all, but because it was easier to say than "we want a demihuman race that is of another familiar pet species, but not too smol and brutish like miqo'te, but more refined like elezen" -
02-02-2019, 08:05 PMxbahax92
There will be a male race, but as of right now.. I doubt it will be something that the majority wants.
All I want is another good looking race, with proper run animations and new faces.
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02-02-2019, 08:06 PMBurningskull
I don't think they will gender lock a race. I think they just want to save the reveal for another panel / fan fest. If they revealed everything there would be no reason to watch the other things.
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02-02-2019, 08:09 PMNestama
That or the males are gonna be the Popori of FFXIV (as in, completely unrelated to the Viera).
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02-02-2019, 08:11 PMBeckett
Anyone know how the JP forums are reacting to this? Are they upset about no males or just gung-ho on Vieras existing (or totally silent)?
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02-02-2019, 08:11 PMLusavari
I just want to point out... The Males are there. They didn't demo them, but the Wandering Draumaturge on the Prima Vista gives a VERY Detailed account of the Male Veira.
They're like the Keepers of the Moon. They don't hang with the girls much. They mainly keep in the trees and protect the wood. Once a year, they come down to breed and gather up any males that have come of age, and train them in the way of the wood.
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02-02-2019, 08:12 PMRodaI'd rather be waiting for a fanfest because I came from the last one with positive reactions, not stressing over whether or not the next one will address the concerns the previous one started in the first place.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 08:13 PMSturmChurro
I wouldn't play a male anyway, females with that BUTT.
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02-02-2019, 08:13 PMJunseiKeiConsidering we have Fran, and very close to how she looks, and how Viera behave, etc. all fairly closely matching that of their titles, I'm going to assume they were talking about the story within the 24-man being part of those games canonly. That's a bit different, especially when you take a step back... and I think... they said this new raid is actually canon with Nier? I might have misread that. Still, I don't think male Viera will be playable. I know people are still hoping, but I seriously would find it in such poor taste to only show half of a race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roda
Considering it was brought up in Fanfest showing Heavensward and stated by Koji and Yoshida in a Q&A asking exactly how many Warriors of Light are present. There is only ONE Warrior of Light in the confines of the story. Hydaelyn's Chosen =/= Warrior of Light with the given information. It was confirmed Ysayle was a Chosen of Hydaelyn when she died; the spark of light marked her as such and was commented upon by an NPC. It wasn't a retcon; that's players not splitting differences. The game very much says Warrior of Light when it comes to the Warrior of Light (or Darkness to boot) and calls others Hydaelyn's Chosen. So far, others with the Echo are within the Hydaelyn's Chosen.Quote:
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02-02-2019, 08:14 PMLusavariQuote:
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If you read the text that Beckett put up... It's extremely evident they're just like Keepers of the Moon.
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02-02-2019, 08:15 PMInkstainedGwynThat and the fact that a second gender of a race should not be news. If they have so little to announce that they had to wait to show the male version then why are we 1) having 3 fanfests and 2) a new expansion?Quote:
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02-02-2019, 08:15 PMXiomara
$5 they didn't finish the male models in time, and thus left them to the next fan festival. Same reason why they didn't announce the 8 man raids either. Also the Au Ra were announced at the tokyo fan festival, so they are ahead of schedule.