Me too am hoping 2.0 would be gooooood. I have same opinion with you about everything except auction house. I think this existing is more epic and only needs some more functions. Weapons sold only in Uldah, armor, clothes in Grid, raw materials in Limsa and smthng else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arel203
But during waiting time you maybe sd add one feather to your hat: TOR. After that you know where MMO is going. I have already four chars there, only two here. And I swear too. I have also my whole day job.
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02-14-2012, 07:18 PMNorthman
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02-14-2012, 07:19 PMkro
What a lot of people don't understand in this thread is that it is perfectly acceptable to reassess the flaws of this game so that developers know they're on the right track.
OP made a lengthy, well-written post that identifies major problems that most of the current population tend to ignore due to fierce brand loyalty. No one would write something like that without the intention of wanting to see this game improve, and the content of the post shows that he has read the announcements about 2.0. Therefore, it is incredibly rude to attack returning or new players with a vested interest in the future of this game.
Honestly, your best bet is to hope the community reps can filter the good feedback from the trash and ignore the trolls, blind fanboys, and OCD post count hoarders that can't be bothered to read anything longer than a one-line meme.
Oh official forums, how I loathe thee~ -
02-14-2012, 07:47 PMDreadnought
ofcourse i agree with a lot of what you said. after all, they are all the reasons why this game was deemed a terrible mistake by the entire world and why its one of the smallest communities in existence.
in order to continue playing you have to find things about the game that you do enjoy. i like looking at my character sometimes. its also fun to low man dungeons with friends you know outside of the game.
response times to me are unacceptable so i wont even bother with Ifrit and Moogle sounds a bit like an old FFXI type of NM boss which i dont even believe should be allowed to be liked.
im curious as to how the new jobs are gonna be so ill be sticking around. -
02-14-2012, 09:12 PMPicoman
OP needs to realise that 'we' the current and past players are already aware of everything that he has written.
In fact we have known since we logged in on 22nd September 2010, when we all realised that we had been given a copy of the Open Beta in our CE box.
That is why Tanaka is gone.
That is why Yoshi-P gave us the decision to 'drastically change Eorzea' or not through the Players Polls.
Thats why we are getting 2.0
You have done a good job of describing the current state of the game (which is far better than launch).
So given all this, what is the point of your thread again? -
02-14-2012, 09:30 PMMerylstryfeYour comment about people saying the game is good but being excited about the patches is a bit narrow minded. Can a person not honestly like a game, but be excited for additional content and more depth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arel203
The thing about MMO's is that they all are constantly evolving; it is the responsibility of the player to look at how far a game has come and, if possible, see a roadmap of where the game is going, and make a determination whether they like the game or not.
For many of us, Since Yoshi-P took over, we've seen some drastic changes, and our complaints (many of which you stated, such as server side action queues, and repetitive maps), have been DIRECTLY addressed, even going so far as to show concept and in-game shots of the changes. While you say that's an easy fix (I'm guessing you work in the IT field?), from my experience when you build a game online client, one of the very first decisions that is made is how much of the game is handled server side. Obviously, they made a bad decision in FFXIV, and will be addressing it when they roll out 2.0.
One final note; no one, not a single person, just "accepted the game as it was," there were several polls taken by the dev. team regarding what we wanted changed, which is why they talk about the sweeping changes coming in 2.0. The reason many people defend the game right now is because we've seen how far its come, and paid attention to where its going, and like other posters have stated, since Yoshi took over, he hasn't let us down. -
02-14-2012, 09:47 PMChinook
I'm ashamed of the FFXIV forum community and hope no potentially new/returning player reads this thread.
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02-14-2012, 10:14 PMAbauge_Goga
You guys keep talking about 2.0 like it's a damn miracle pill. That patch is almost a YEAR away. We already been playing for 1 year, and now we are paying for 1 year.
What will happen if 2.0 doesn't deliver everything as promised? People will stay and hold their breath until 2.1. SE is really good at this, feeding us a little bit at a time just so we don't go starving, but we never know when we are getting a full meal.
OP had a few good valid points, especially the wards system. It is terrible, it takes way too long to research/sell stuff, then you all have to repeat if your stuff doesn't sell because someone drops the price on you. SE needs to admit it is garbage and come up with a new one.
I am playing and will continue to play it because, despite all the issues this game has, it is still playable. This doesn't mean I am fully happy with it, SE needs to do a lot to fix it.
I just don't like when people say 2.0 will fix everything. I heard it all before on every single patch to date. -
02-14-2012, 11:17 PMBrigandierGot sour news for you bro. As long as you're paying, SE is going to assume you are happy. Playing the "this game sux!" card while being a paying subscriber just doesn't drive the point home. The only message you send SE is "I'm gonna cry about shit constantly while I give you money". Emphasis on the bolded part, since that's all they care about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abauge_Goga
I suppose you could ask me "Well then, why are you still playing?". I'm building up my gil/levels for 2.0, and in the event they don't hold to their promises, I'll be leaving for Guildwars 2 or whatever decent MMO is out at the time. For as cheap as the game is right now (and lack of other MMOs I want to play), it provides sufficient entertainment til then. -
02-14-2012, 11:25 PMGramulConsidering what happened with the Global Merger, I'm going to have to consider your opinion a little off base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brigandier
And to continue, 2.0 will have the world change along with many other features and will be expanding and worked on through the months past its initiation. I consider it a miracle patch enough because my biggest concern was with world design. Having it being directly adressed in a huge story driven cataclysmic update is all I could ask for. -
02-14-2012, 11:33 PMBrigandierSE only backpedaled because of the intensely huge amount of "SE's breaking our community I am going to quit playing" (bolded part read as "quit paying") posts. If you take time to notice, they didn't give a crap about non-paying players getting shuffled off to random worlds either, until paying people threatened to leave over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
Ultimately my point is this: Why should SE bother to fix anything when there are so many people paying them for the product as it is? Sure, they have made a few changes here or there in the name of quality customer service, but no one can deny the huge sweeping significant changes are a result of quitting players. If you're such a monument to "letting SE know that the game sucks", you would have quit ages ago. You're not fooling anyone, including SE. If you're still here playing and paying, you must enjoy the game in some way. -
02-15-2012, 12:01 AMMugWell, I assume a goal is to make people want to continue to play. Which is why they're fixing/adding stuff now instead of putting everything on hold until 2.0Quote:
Originally Posted by Brigandier
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02-15-2012, 12:26 AMleomike35
The OP has a point even if it is redundant to most of us who have been here from the beginning and have decided to stay no matter what. The name calling is getting old with the whole fanboy, white knight, troll crap. There seems to be no "gray" area.
Just because there are those of us that are "dealing" with the game as it is with "hopes" of things to come does not mean that we think the game doesnt need work. Not that attacking the OP is what I recommend or agree with, I just think from the point of view of players that enjoy the game anyway are simply tired of the same old flaws being pointed out over and over and over and over. Its like someone being overweight and is exercising and trying to get in shape constantly being told by new ppl they meet that they are overweight.
We in the community must exercise more patience with dealing with new players with valid concerns the same way we are dealing with waiting for each patch of improvements and waiting for 2.0 which by the way I read it we should be playing sometime in September which is not a year away its 7 months away.
In the mean time patience young padawans lol and keep the faith. -
02-15-2012, 12:27 AMJinkoUm, thing is the amount of paying customers right now is dismal at best, the reason why they would change things and put out a miracle patch is to get new customers and old ones comming back.Quote:
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2.0 is not just a miracle patch its new servers, new UI, new graphics engine and much more, of course there is a chance that they will fall short but only time will tell. -
02-15-2012, 12:32 AMAbauge_GogaWell said, my thoughts exactly. I am not getting my hopes up for a patch that will happen a year from now, I am enjoying the game on a day to day basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by leomike35
Everything that OP said needs adressed, sooner or later. -
02-15-2012, 01:48 AMGramulQuote:
Originally Posted by Brigandier
Because we can still threaten to quit even if we are still playing.
You said it yourself. Square listened to the merger complaints because they apparently fear people will leave the game. How is that fear averted in situations like this? What makes it so that they don't have to worry about people quitting in these situations, but they do when the complaint was about the servers merging? -
02-15-2012, 02:25 AMFiosha_Maureiba
TLDR version: We cannot rely on 2.0 launch to be the magic saving grace of the game. But we can continue to provide input for areas we assume may be fixed in 2.0.
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UI response time could use a further improvement. The UI response has gotten drastically better since launch.
The action bar could use some adjustments, including: being able to view three action bars, being able to drag and drop actions, being able to lock the action bar (current format), assign hotkeys to an action.
The default in many modern MMO is one action bar, but has the option to expand. At present in FFXIV, the number of abilities are limited and it may be best to place the most common abilities on a single action bar.
Terrain, Travel and Battle
With some of the collision adjustments, I have not had issues with the shrubbery getting in the way and less so now with fences unless using following someone. But if I were playing a game where I could descend a cliff in a hasty manner or jump up a small elevation climb, then switched to FFXIV, I could see where the concern would be present.
The grind camp-driven format of the maps with lots of unused locations in my opinion, hurts some of the diversity that these maps could have held. Many locations are very pretty, those who have hunted down aetherial gates may have noticed unique locations throughout their runs, perhaps not. T'were there more a purpose at these locations other than the gates themselves, it might offset some of the same views.
On the overlay map, it would be nice to be able to adjust the opacity of the main map. I can't recall at the moment, but I think gamepad users can still move their characters while the map is up. And the other analog stick controls viewing the map itself.
I have no problem with the boats, airships, or rental chocobos. I didn't agree with FFXI's method of acquisition for airships and rentals. Nothing will replace the nostalgia you had of how you acquired these travel methods. In my opinion, interesting boat encounters should be reserved for boat rides beyond the three cities, even if it makes sense for pirates to commodere from Limsa en route to the western Thanalan docks. Or the events in the Limsa Lominsan opening scene to reoccur.
I would like to think the battle response may be reflective of the server communication side. The some animation lock may give the impression that battles are moving slower than they should, but you do not have to wait for an attack to finish its animation before beginning the next one (but I still can't move when I have to).
Cities, Quests and Leveling
Hub cities do hurt the sense of progression and creates the "Lobby Effect", which can be overwhelming to new players and returning players. As anima fell short around launch, people settled into Ul'Dah. Limsa Lominsa is exceptionally barren and Gridania is only slightly better due to an old man luring people to his pond.
Leve incentives for new players aren't really there. Having tried again myself with room mate, I thought maybe the gil would be worth it. Then we found marmots, chained off of them, and sold their marmot pelts to NPCs for a significant EXP and gil gain in drastically less time. The incentive for low level leves does not seem present to me. This is especially true in starting Gridania leves.
I have mixed feelings on the Level Sync. For balance purposes, I don't think equipment should be affected at all by level sync, i.e. force you to unequip it or suffer the same penalties you would from optimal level.
The method of leveling up and the incentive through leves, behests, caravans, quests, dungeons, and grind camps should be adjusted. The current model was not prepared for the shortage of players and fast EXP rates, reducing the pool of players present at the lower levels. Finding a low level party seems to be more difficult than finding a high level party or just finding a spot to farm materials at.
Gear, Items and Selling/Buying
The old optimal level penalties were too weak, the new ones lean more on balance. The optimal level equipment is present for those that like the aesthetics of their gear. Most of the gear you're coming across is the Dated gear. Without Dated gear, you may find a more balanced selection of goods, such as:
Leather Armor for War classes, emphasizing evasion.
Mail Armor for some War classes, emphasizing offense.
Plate Armor for Tank classes, emphasizing defense.
Cloth Armor for Mage classes, emphasizing magic.
Balanced Armor for all classes, weaker in most aspects, but everyone can use it.
Crafting Gear. Gathering Gear. Seasonal Gear.
With a new armor in the same category every five to eight levels or so. But as long as we have dated gear present, we will probably have x3 to x5 the number of items. Gear makes some differences, at least on the defensive side. As a conjurer with updated gear, leaning a little more on evasion, I would sometimes get attacked by an aggressive spawn. I would often evade or sometimes get hit for 180ish. Another conjurer in the party at same level wearing some of his starting equipment and early level quest rewards would usually get hit for 300ish. My gear gave tanks and off-tanks more time to respond to the spawns (with our happy 700~800 HP). Some difference from a defensive standpoint, without materia, perhaps not as much difference from an offensive standpoint.
The wards system appears to be inspired by the bazaars setup outside of Jeuno in FFXI. When I played, this was not a trend, but it appears those players gave the impression the Wards and Retainer system would be preferred over the FFXI auction house.
The current method to find items in the Wards is from an outdated system. Many of the categories are being phased out as all the "Dated" recipes are removed, with hopes to take Dated items and components out of circulation. There is some discussion here to provide some UI suggestions for future presentations of the Auction House.
Mog Houses
I wasn't too fond of the idea of having to go zone to access my storage. What you may find in the next patch is only an inn room where at present you can review most cutscenes and accumulate rested EXP. Player residences appear to be in the pipeline and *may* contain more of things you expected from Mog Houses.
Conclusion
As your thread is snowballing into a hot topic, might I suggest editing your original post slightly. Replacing "gay" with "short" and "idiot" with "person". Its neutral context will reduce the amount of posts that focus on these aspects of your post and allow others to focus more on responding to the rest of your post.
Your feedback as a returning player and/or new player is important, especially since you have decided to fit FFXIV into your game schedule in place of other MMOs. -
02-15-2012, 03:34 AMBrigandierI liken it more to people paying to eat buckets of KFC every day, then bitching at the company about the food being so nasty and fattening and horrible. I can understand it if you said "you know, this chicken is pretty good, it might be a little better with more salt, but ultimately I am happy with what I paid for". But nope, we get "UGH! Are you serious KFC? I spent $12 on this bucket of pure shit! *grabs up a huge plate of it* this better get fixed soon *begins stuffing face*".Quote:
Originally Posted by leomike35
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02-15-2012, 04:55 AMSniperRifle
two point oh