Why does Yoshida hate linkshells/communities?

There is so much crying today on the forums =/

Too late to change anything now.

Just deal with it.

I love people telling us to just deal with it, I'm sorry you hate your server so much.

jup he totally hates linkshells...
seems legit
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...orybroyumi.jpg

/facepalm

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

I love people telling us to just deal with it, I'm sorry you hate your server so much.

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I'm sorry that you can't empathize with people who are on dismally small servers (who had no way of knowing their server would end up that way when they rolled on it) and don't want to be pigeonholed into an existing community where they won't integrate with the existing community. They'll just be a sub-community within the server. You know, like how every blanket merge, including the fabled 'option 2', ends up.

See what I did there?

he like WoW thats why >.>
maybe we get anti social in 2.0 and act like pricks for gear.

Buddy, I'm not really seeing the basis for claiming someone hates communities and linkshells. I can see that linkshells aren't a priority but I prefer having fundamental gameplay be a greater drain on resources. As far as voicechat goes a utilitarian approach was taken and that should be the route. Keep in mind that having an in-game voicechat can take away from the casualness of the game for many people. Also, I'm not sure if you realize that the linkshell system isn't actually his creation and that the way it ended up being coded embedded it pretty deeply (meaning that simple tweaks are not possible.)

Yes, the loot system for primals is garbage - everyone (for the most part) dislikes it. Yes, it is being considered and addressed.

And I'm having a hard time finding an easier route for a server merge that wouldn't take a ton of coordination from the devs (meaning that gameplay takes a backseat.)

I don't see evidence of a hate scenario other than your constant replies to anyone who disagrees with you.

I think all this hate is uncalled for. I think the solution they chose is ultimately the best solution to the population problem. After the merge we will have 10 fairly evenly populated servers, uninfluenced by names. I like this idea better than them trying to balance populations on existing servers. I was torn at first about the name thing, but lets be honest: That's what caused the problem in the first place. So I can understand them wanting to avoid a similar situation.

In the end, Yoshi was OK with this solution because he believed in Linkshell communities being able to come together and choose a new server. They are giving us plenty of time to pick our new world. I honestly do not understand what the big deal is.

The only problem I saw was for players who are no longer active, but like Yoshi said, they can find their friends and use the World Transfer service after 2.0. I think that is fair, especially if you assume many players will not return until 2.0.

As a former LS leader that despises the way many people conduct themselves on 30 different linkshells at once, I can't help but chuckle at the folks that are crying about the server transfer saying that they can't possible move to a server that will have all their friends on it. Ain't that a bitch?

(more specifically the people with 30 shells that bounce around and pop up when its time to do stuff thats been organized, but are never around when someone needs help.)

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

I love people telling us to just deal with it, I'm sorry you hate your server so much.

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Dealing with it has more to do with adjusting to things I cant change and making plans accordingly that help me and my friends, and less to do with hating my server or standing around crying like a 3 year old when I should be making an effort to gather my community on the same server. I'm sorry you can't cope with change, and frankly I am glad I get to choose where to go, because from most of your alls reactions on the forums today, if I was FORCED to play with some of you, i wouldnt want to play this anymore at all.

Wow an attack on a guy thats doing everything he can for the FF community and has revolutionized the way SE communicates with its fanbase for their FF online titles, even these forums are his doing, while sacrificing health and free time in every aspect....grow up.

Please have a little respect for how much this guy does for this game. I can't believe anyone would honestly think the guy would sabotage a title he is the Producer/Director of. Hes doing his best, and had to make a difficult call and gave only one single request. That you keep the comments constructive.

Remember, Yoshi-P is getting 2-3 hours of sleep on a day to day basis. Do you honestly think his pay is the sole reason behind him coming to work today? Cause I can assure you hes not making a million a year, which is what you'd have to pay me to live on a schedule like that.

Yup. Yoshi-P The Destroyer of Friendship came over and kicked your sand castle. You're absolutely correct in every way.

No thank you.

whats surprising to me is that from the replies that i see from the jp threads (yes i can read jp) and the US threads, the JPs were in outrage of the decision. Usually they are so polite but half of the replies were downright mad that it was so amusing to read them. It tells me that they hold high importance on 'togetherness' and especially in such a decision that could leave pple out, depending on the situation of LS and time.

When i compare both threads, it makes me think the US side doesnt give a damn, and no wonder the game only listens to the JP side most of the time. This side is stomping their own members down and telling each other to suck it up and deal with it, while the JP side is rallying together like a horde against yoshiP

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Originally Posted by Biggs

As a former LS leader that despises the way many people conduct themselves on 30 different linkshells at once, I can't help but chuckle at the folks that are crying about the server transfer saying that they can't possible move to a server that will have all their friends on it. Ain't that a bitch?

(more specifically the people with 30 shells that bounce around and pop up when its time to do stuff thats been organized, but are never around when someone needs help.)

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Sadly, I can't help but agree.

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Originally Posted by Bongeh1986

Not quite how I feel, but this server merge is retarded.

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try thinking of it from the point of the inhabitants of nearly dead servers, servers where there are 4 linkshells in total?

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

try thinking of it from the point of the inhabitants of nearly dead servers, servers where there are 4 linkshells in total?

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You posted on the other thread too, you do realize they are still allowing transfers under "option 2" and no one was advocating that dead servers don't get merged at all.

I think Yoshi-Ps recent post about changing this too choice two more than shows he cares about the community.

Yoshi-P is my hero.

He always makes life so exciting on the forums :D

I don't mind the loot system...it is way better then people being greedy. In FFXI I would always low man stuff because if I didn't I'd end up waiting months and months to basically get nothing and have to pass stuff to people in cliques. No thanks! >.<

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Originally Posted by Koku

There is so much crying today on the forums =/

Too late to change anything now.

Just deal with it.

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this statement may be proven wrong. Yoshi has posted on maybe changing things due to the negative feedback he has gotten.

Weren't people just complaining like 1 month ago they didn't have any more friends because they all left?

So why now are people defending their non-existent/no longer playing friends?
Ya'll crazy.

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Originally Posted by VeranRamaden

Weren't people just complaining like 1 month ago they didn't have any more friends because they all left?

So why now are people defending their non-existent/no longer playing friends?
Ya'll crazy.

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No, they never complained about that. They also never continually posted information about supposed server population numbers.

They also never http://i43.tinypic.com/fawwar.gif about when P2P went live everyone would quit.

So why on earth would they complain about losing people who were supposedly long quit or left after P2P? Silly Veran.

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Why does Yoshida hate linkshells/communities?

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Because they stole his sweet roll.

Not everyone is unemployed or out of school man, I have friends where it is impossible for them to log in the game until December of this year when they graduate, so those people will be flung to different servers. Not everyone has the money to pay for one month and log on to change servers, especially when you're supporting yourself through college. Choosing to renew this subscription was a decision to take 60 bucks out of my life that would go towards food and other stuff, you can't judge someone for choosing to do the opposite. I just get tired of a lot of loser ass people with no job or life talking about non playing characters like "omg who cares about them they'll never play, they're not committed", yeah being committed to XIV over real life is SO cool *sarcasm*

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

Not everyone is unemployed or out of school man, I have friends where it is impossible for them to log in the game until December of this year when they graduate, so those people will be flung to different servers. Not everyone has the money to pay for one month and log on to change servers, especially when you're supporting yourself through college. Choosing to renew this subscription was a decision to take 60 bucks out of my life that would go towards food and other stuff, you can't judge someone for choosing to do the opposite. I just get tired of a lot of loser ass people with no job or life talking about non playing characters like "omg who cares about them they'll never play, they're not committed", yeah being committed to XIV over real life is SO cool *sarcasm*

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I love the insinuation that anyone who dedicates time to this game beyond a certain amount is a loser or "no lifer." Look, I understand people have different priorities but that doesn't mean the field should be built around accommodating them. SE is trying to find a solution that works.

Also, you state your friends won't be able to play until December. Oddly enough this is when the world transfer service will be available (ala 2.0) so your pals won't be missing out. Your statement is ill-informed or poorly thought out due to emotions.

And, in closing, if 60 bones is breaking you then you have crap priorities and should spend less time chastising others and getting yours in order.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

It is obvious.

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Only thing that's obvious is people like you are clueless and simply intent on finding something to whine about.

I don't agree with his chosen plan but it's clear why he feels something has to be done. There is NO 'good' option, merely the 'least worst', and IMO he's trying bery, very hard to find it.

You may disagree with him, but whining about him like you do with the silly and over-emo accusations you make makes anything you say worthless.

I've seen posts like yours on most other MMO forums where mergers happen, I hadn't really expected to see it here, seems no where's safe.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

You paint a picture of a developer that is damaged goods and completely inept. You post on a forum that requires you to pay a monthly fee for said developers game in order to post. Your giving someone you think all these horrible things about your hard earned money each month? Even MORE curious, you state he has screwed you more than just this past time. And yet you remain. I would spend less time questioning this Yoshi fellow, and more time questioning the decisions your making, because, by your own admission, they are foolish and unwise.

Make sure the 25 people that gave you the thumbs up join you.

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Jesus christ why don't you go bump your own thread asking for a poll so you can see that 70-80% of people in that too still don't want the crappy option 4, instead of flaming me for a post I made after the initial announcement and before any of Yoshida's posts since then which all apologized to the community for what was admittedly an insensitive and highly controversial decision

I guess I missed the part where I said he was damaged goods or completely inept, or that I didn't like the game or even that I would quit if I didn't get my way. I like a lot of things about the game, and his decisions. However several of his decisions have been very harmful to linkshells including the stupid personal loot lists for primals and his initial proposal for how server merges were handled.

People overwhelmingly disapproved and he changed his mind. The only reason that people didn't do the same for personal loot lists is because the primal loot is not needed or that important to linkshells, as soon as we get that loot expect it to be an issue of similar magnitude (but more than likely they will abandon it before then, because again the vast majority of people overwhelmingly dislike the primal loot system).

The difference between me and you is that I do give up fights I can't win, like I think exp should be much harder to come by and the path to max level should both take longer and encourage grouping more than it does. But I see that isn't likely to happen, and I'm just glad they have actually given those of us who like traditional MMO grouping the option to do so without severely handicapping ourselves (as in other MMO's).

I don't beg for a player poll to reaffirm my position on the matter which is in the obvious minority.

Face it we were right, and Yoshida now at least recognizes how much of a problem it is. That's why this forum exists as much as you hate it when things don't go your way. Yet ironically you come here and flame me for whining...

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

Only thing that's obvious is people like you are clueless and simply intent on finding something to whine about.

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And yet the majority of people also felt a need to "whine about it" maybe because it wasn't something that was insignificant to them, but posed a serious problem for them and the friends they played with.

Whatever, you can continue to attack me it doesn't bother me because in the end people that actually make the decisions on these things actually listened to our concerns, despite the best efforts of sycophantic white knights like yourself to use your little personal attacks to derail the debate. Maybe next time try arguing on the merits of the position you take instead of just hurling insults.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I don't beg for a player poll to reaffirm my position on the matter which is in the obvious minority.

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Nope, instead you make fictional assumptions and accusations about things that have happened to the developer in the past based on pure emotion instead of rationality. And I never really cared which of the four options he chose, I would have just rather he picked a desicion and stuck with it, or asked EVERYONE, not just people like yourself that like developing fictional back stories for the developer that help them cope with reality. If the end result is that the majority of the people get what they want with the server merger, I dont really care how it comes about. The purpose of the post your reffering to was to point out how I am afraid of what could happen to the game if Yoshi uses just these forums (which contain "AWSOME" OP's like the one you have going here) to base his desicions on to alter major parts of the game. The fact that you missed that part doesn't actually suprise me at all though.

Also, look up on the internet the phrase "Painting a picture" and find out how thats different from me actually saying thats what you said word for word.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Nope, instead you make fictional assumptions and accusations about things that have happened to the developer in the past based on pure emotion instead of rationality. And I never really cared which of the four options he chose, I would have just rather he picked a desicion and stuck with it, or asked EVERYONE, not just people like yourself that like developing fictional back stories for the developer that help them cope with reality. If the end result is that the majority of the people get what they want with the server merger, I dont really care how it comes about. The purpose of the post your reffering to was to point out how I am afraid of what could happen to the game if Yoshi uses just these forums (which contain "AWSOME" OP's like the one you have going here) to base his desicions on to alter major parts of the game. The fact that you missed that part doesn't actually suprise me at all though.

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Please you only wish he "made a decision and stuck with it" because you are in the minority that supported it.

I do apologize for my "fictional back story" since clearly you have no sense of humor at all. Pretty sure the decision to change direction back to a normal server merger with transfers wasn't made because of any OP, but rather because of the overwhelming support for that option.

The last post on this thread before you was from 11 am, you hunted for it and revived the thread simply so you could flame me. You just wanted attention, admit it. This thread was buried, and irrelevant since Yoshida not only said they are going to base the merges off of option 2 (the exact option we all were advocating for before he even brought it up) but actually apologized.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

It is obvious.

• The personal loot system (reasoning because linkshells "pressure" people to give away items)
• No voice chat (because linkshells pressure people to get on them)
• Server transfers over merges without even allowing players who are inactive to remain on the same servers as their linkshell

My conclusion Yoshida got booted from some LS for being a total noob in DAoC or whatever MMO he played, and now as a director is taking it out on all linkshells.

Thanks a lot Yoshida you screwed us once again! Way to stick it to those linkshells!

(btw I'm not advocating in-game voice chat I think that idea is stupid, I just think Yoshida's explanation much like his explanation for why we have to have the stupid primal loot system show that he isn't exactly a staunch defender of the interests of cohesive linkshells)

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wtf is wrong with you?
do you LITERALLY think Yoshi sat back in his seat and went "hmmmm.... i honestly, in all respects, despise the concept of community in video games....lets do this!" or is it plausible that they came up with what they felt was a solution to a problem that needed to be addressed? the servers need to be consolidated, thats the bottom line.
the current option two still gives people the opportunity to go where they want. if your friends are so close to you then youd follow them and theyd follow you. neither 2 or 4 are much different, you will still lose friends that want to transfer servers either way.
so is the best decision to now allow any server transfers? i dont get it!!!

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

wtf is wrong with you?
do you LITERALLY think Yoshi sat back in his seat and went "hmmmm.... i honestly, in all respects, despise the concept of community in video games....lets do this!" or is it plausible that they came up with what they felt was a solution to a problem that needed to be addressed? the servers need to be consolidated, thats the bottom line.
the current option two still gives people the opportunity to go where they want. if your friends are so close to you then youd follow them and theyd follow you. neither 2 or 4 are much different, you will still lose friends that want to transfer servers either way.
so is the best decision to now allow any server transfers? i dont get it!!!

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Let it go already, do you not realize this thread was made before Yoshida presented options, or ended up basing their new plans on the option that most of us wanted?

I actually won't lose any friends this way, because I don't know anyone that wants to transfer servers on Selbina. However, I always supported the option of transfers for those who did. I just didn't want everyone to be forced out of their server and have to scramble to attempt to stay together. Not to mention all of the people who don't have an active sub who would come back to the game on a new random server.

It was a pretty reasonable argument, and one shared by the vast majority of the community. Yoshida saw how many people were upset, and apologized saying he didn't realize how upset it would make people. All of this happened in the days after this thread was made.

"wtf is wrong with you?" Do you people have some kind of sycophant rewards system going? Get over it, some people were upset we made our criticisms well known, and they listened. My OP might have been a little harsh (though it should be obvious to anyone that it was not dead serious... who would call someone a "Noob" with a straight face, honestly), but that doesn't give you people a free pass to flame others simply for having a complaint.


You know what I think Yoshida did? Exactly what he said he did, he heard complaints even from his own team against option 4 but at the last minute decided to go with it anyways. He sees now that maybe he should have based it more off of option 2, and so now he is back to the drawing board.

I also don't really think Yoshida hates linkshells or I wouldn't play, since community is why I play I think the real reason we have the primal loot system is that it works better as a time sink. But I wish they'd just admit that, because it does make them look like they don't care about linkshells when the stories they make up to justify their decisions all demonstrate little concern for the wishes of linkshells who play this game/content together.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Please you only wish he "made a decision and stuck with it" because you are in the minority that supported it.

I do apologize for my "fictional back story" since clearly you have no sense of humor at all. Pretty sure the decision to change direction back to a normal server merger with transfers wasn't made because of any OP, but rather because of the overwhelming support for that option.

The last post on this thread before you was from 11 am, you hunted for it and revived the thread simply so you could flame me. You just wanted attention, admit it. This thread was buried, and irrelevant since Yoshida not only said they are going to base the merges off of option 2 (the exact option we all were advocating for before he even brought it up) but actually apologized.

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First I would like to apologize that I have responded to you more than once as far as flaming goes. In that respect, your totally right, it was poor form, but its been tough keeping each and every post like this strait today. Second, sarcasm does not translate AT ALL in print, which may explain why people took your initial OP so seriously. Having read it more than a few times now, it does sound like your totally going off on the guy, as opposed to just poking fun. This may explain the number of people that have jumped on this post in opposition to what you have stated. Lastly, I never actually said which one of the options Yoshi was debating on I like best. Truth be told, I personally don't care. Each of them would have suited my personal needs, including option 4, which is why I wasnt hating on it.

If anything I never thought I would see the day that many people would rage out over being given the total freedom to go where ever they wanted as opposed to being forced to go somewhere. Lastly, you and everyone else have no idea what the minority or majority is because these forums are only a tiny fraction of the player base. The post itself isn't irrelivant because its still on the main tab on the official forum page without some edit by you saying "Never mind they are gonna give me what I want now"

Wow this thread just wasted 10 min of my life D:

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Originally Posted by Biggs

First I would like to apologize that I have responded to you more than once as far as flaming goes. In that respect, your totally right, it was poor form, but its been tough keeping each and every post like this strait today. Second, sarcasm does not translate AT ALL in print, which may explain why people took your initial OP so seriously. Having read it more than a few times now, it does sound like your totally going off on the guy, as opposed to just poking fun. This may explain the number of people that have jumped on this post in opposition to what you have stated. Lastly, I never actually said which one of the options Yoshi was debating on I like best. Truth be told, I personally don't care. Each of them would have suited my personal needs, including option 4, which is why I wasnt hating on it.

If anything I never thought I would see the day that many people would rage out over being given the total freedom to go where ever they wanted as opposed to being forced to go somewhere. Lastly, you and everyone else have no idea what the minority or majority is because these forums are only a tiny fraction of the player base. The post itself isn't irrelivant because its still on the main tab on the official forum page without some edit by you saying "Never mind they are gonna give me what I want now"

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I didn't put it on the front page. The OP was intentional however, it was meant to bring to attention how this issue (and others in the past) affects linkshells and communities. I don't feel a need to edit it, people simply should not be so quickly to jump all over anyone who lays out criticism.

Never once have I said this game was no good, or insulted anyone for playing it. I'm not here to troll, I just wanted to bring to attention how serious this issue was for me, and it is a serious issue for a lot of people. I guess I can't prove without a doubt that I am among the majority on this issue, however based on the forums across all languages and what polling has been done it would certainly seem that way. Also if you had seen Selbina's chat when the plan was initially announced there were a lot of people deeply concerned there too.

Maybe you don't care about our issue, or the people on your server even since it is so small and struggling that maybe most can't wait to get on it no matter what they have to sacrifice. Many of us had a serious problem with how they planned to do it though, and so we made our position. I laid out my reasoning throughout this thread and others while others only flamed me for having a disagreement with the announcement. Literally there were no arguments in favor of option 4 being posted until the next day when people came up with the idea that it would somehow lead to more balanced servers (which is silly frankly because that never happens during MMO's launches which uses the same system as "option 4"). If you read through the thread (which used to be several pages longer before the mods intervened) it was mostly people saying:

"This is set in stone, stop complaining!"

Which obviously wasn't the case.

Ya the problem is the OP is still harsh despite the change. You have not edited in a disclaimer and sarcasm doesn't go over well via text.

I don't need to flame you but if you get flamed you get flamed. I'd prefer people be reinforced to stray away from heated rhetoric than to look for excuses to hide behind sarcasm. You still have the power to represent yourself accurately in the OP and can include in the editing notes that you've changed it accordingly. Then the burden is on those who respond to the OP, but the change has yet to be made as of this writing.

Why is this still at the top of my New Posts list...? v_v

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Originally Posted by Mychael

Why is this still at the top of my New Posts list...? v_v

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I have been wondering for a while if its VIEWS or POSTS that keep OP's up on that list, and STILL havent been able to tell.

To Murugun. My apologies at the way I responded. I have since deleted that post, and again, no matter how I fealt about your initial post, your still entitled to it, and I am sorry I spoke to you in the manner I did. I should have better put together my response and not immediatly gotten personal. Thats the last I will speak with you on this particular subject, but I am happy to politely discuss things with you in the future.

/bow

Views and like count iirc.

I don't understand how players come on these forums and vent about changes they don't like, and some how equates that to some personal bias by SE...???

"Blarg I don't like this change..YOSHIDA CLEARLY HATES VIDEO GAME COMMUNITIES RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE."

How is that not bias? >.>

Everythingis biased. Humanity is biased.