Yoshi-P comments on voice chat support

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You can still type though so you aren't losing any chat possibilities. The PS3 and 360 can both use USB keyboards for example.

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You're right, but there are so many cases where type chat just doesn't cut it.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You can still type though so you aren't losing any chat possibilities. The PS3 and 360 can both use USB keyboards for example.

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if u get time to tpye during moogle or ifrit there ur party is doing something we all need to no.

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Originally Posted by ssppiikkeeyy

if u get time to tpye during moogle or ifrit there ur party is doing something we all need to no.

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I figured most people went over strategies before a fight, voice chat or not.

I dont see the problem with females and voice chat

After awhile on the forums I noticed there are more whiny girls than guys anyway

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Originally Posted by Thanos

I dont see the problem with females and voice chat

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Well...

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there are more whiny girls than guys anyway

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Nevermind, that would explain why you don't see a problem lol.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Well...



Nevermind, that would explain why you don't see a problem lol.

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Yup lots of whiny ******* up in here =)

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I figured most people went over strategies before a fight, voice chat or not.

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Most people do but there has been few LS i been in u got to have voice chat or no event's don't need a mic just to listen. Plus during the fight you don't have time say if ur friend was lagging and u were trying to warm him about cracks. by the time u tpyed that in or even hit that marco ur both dead ><

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Originally Posted by Thanos

Yup lots of whiny ******* up in here =)

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Stars are fabulous! P.s. There are no female gamers on the internetz! Lies I tell you! Lies!

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Originally Posted by Krausus

but man is it hell on everyone else in vent/TS/mumble when you do

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I didn't say it was a GOOD alternative lol. The option exists though. Also I've heard no complaints from people while running Vent on my Droid with headphones on. You sound a little different but that's about it.

I don't agree with most of his reasons:

*There will be times when voice chat will be mandatory for things like instanced raids.

Things already are this way with 3rd party software. Linkshells that "demand" voice chat will do so regardless of it being oficially in the game or not. Not having it in game also creates a problem for PS3 users, who could otherwise join said linkshells but won't be able because they can't use a voice chat.

*A gap will appear between those that have/don’t have a mic.

Same thing as above; it will happen regardless of it being an official voice chat or not.

*In particular, there is a fear that female gamers will get harassed when the say something and will then want to stay away.

While this is true, if we start taking out features because people can be dicks with em, then it's time to remove text chat as well.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

I don't agree with most of his reasons:

*There will be times when voice chat will be mandatory for things like instanced raids.

Things already are this way with 3rd party software. Linkshells that "demand" voice chat will do so regardless of it being oficially in the game or not. Not having it in game also creates a problem for PS3 users, who could otherwise join said linkshells but won't be able because they can't use a voice chat.

*A gap will appear between those that have/don’t have a mic.

Same thing as above; it will happen regardless of it being an official voice chat or not.

*In particular, there is a fear that female gamers will get harassed when the say something and will then want to stay away.

While this is true, if we start taking out features because people can be dicks with em, then it's time to remove text chat as well.

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totally agree...

Thing with text chat though, it's not an optional feature lol it's something required (pretty much standard when you play online games as people will be using keyboards lol) voice chat for all intents and purposes is an optional feature and tends to have the main cons he lists. So while agree or disagree they are still pretty good points to decide against an optional feature.

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In particular, there is a fear that female gamers will get harassed when the say something and will then want to stay away.

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See now this is such a crap answer. Thats like saying, lets segregate shools by race, sex, and age, that way no one is in ear shot of another group that could possibly say something insulting to another.

My wife and 2 daughters that play, thought this part in particular was funny. In discussing it, my daughter said the hipocricy of the fact that they allow trolls to post profanity, sexist, and insulting comments in writting all over the foruns all day long, but us it as an excuse not to make voice chat.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

See now this is such a crap answer. Thats like saying, lets segregate shools by race, sex, and age

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This has been done before, so it's actually not a strange thing at all.

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My wife and 2 daughters that play, thought this part in particular was funny.

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Just wait till your 2 daughters start getting harassed, unless they're into that sorta thing.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

I don't agree with most of his reasons:

*There will be times when voice chat will be mandatory for things like instanced raids.

Things already are this way with 3rd party software. Linkshells that "demand" voice chat will do so regardless of it being oficially in the game or not. Not having it in game also creates a problem for PS3 users, who could otherwise join said linkshells but won't be able because they can't use a voice chat.

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We require it to a degree...wanna do raids u have to log into chat. You don't have to SPEAK but at least listen. Reason? If I say in Ifrit "CRACKS ASHLEY!" U'll move! lol Afterwards when everything calms down and u can type, all U have to say is TY GEE! To heal and buff while typing and maybe running from my own cracks ... typing takes too much time... period.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Just wait till your 2 daughters start getting harassed, unless they're into that sorta thing.

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O.o Thaaatttt might have been taking it too far. I'm a single Dad with 2 boys but have a 15 year old step-daughter and while you were most likely being sarcastic..... uhhhhh ... yeah. Just saying.

Never been a big fan of Voice chatting in MMO's anyways, the chat does me fine 90% of the time and the 10% it doesn't I use Ventrilo and generally just listen in anyways.

Main reason I see here is that it would be a bandwidth hog for them.

All of you seem to forget that this game isn't for English speakers only. As if we have enough user-created problems with languages already with text alone, no need to make it even further complicated.

Also, if voice chat is indeed officially implemented, then that's another thing the GMs will have to rummage through when problems arise. With just text, GMs can scroll through logs easily, whereas in voice chat they don't have the luxury and will have to go through the entire audio recording, not to mention probably breaking several privacy laws in the process by recording voice logs because the game's international. Hence, the cost/performance ratio just don't add up. Unless you're willing to pay more for this game, of course, but then there's the issue of raising the price of the game when not all users will use/be able to use such a service.

Sure, there's the option to separate the cost of such services, but when free-use third party voice chat programs already exist and solve most of the other problems, why bother? So I don't really see a reason why SE should bother with implementing an official one. And I'm usually not the one to be a critic, but I can't help but point out that, given SE's track record, do you guys honestly think they'll manage to implement a voice chat program that's better than the ones already out there? I think SE made the right move in not giving you guys more material to flame at.

The only concern I have, is that I've been in that situation where there is only one person in the party without Voice Chat. It is annoying, but I'll have to let that go when the PS3 version is released.

There are also instances where a girl was in VC but was creeped on pretty hard by someone and never went back, even when the guy wasn't around. I understand that too. I wouldn't have acted the same way but I can't really comment as I'm not a person that has ever had to deal with that.

I would like it if the PS3 released some kind of VC software that was compatible with PC's. I know the PSP has Skype but it's a pretty big bandwidth hog in comparison to some other chat programs out there like Mumble and Ventrilo. I'll have bandwidth troubles in a three way conversation in Skype while I can have a convo with 15 other people in Ventrilo and not worry as much about my voice turning into a robot. Also, if it were accessible through the PS3's XMB and PSN's servers were used for it then bandwidth wouldn't be an issue (for SE at least).

It would be nice if the PS3 had an external VC software that could work with these programs, or vice versa. I'd personally be okay with that. I can understand not having VC for pick up parties but if it were officially supported that would add a lot of pressure for players to have VC even in non linkshell situations. I think the reasons he stated are good enough for not implementing VC but I'd personally rather it be in there considering the nature of gameplay in XIV. Despite auto attack, the game is still too fast paced to really chat in battle. Well, that is unless people actually started using macros regularly again and cast times and TP gain were nerfed significantly but I really don't want that. I actually like the current pace.

I haven't run into any Japanese LS on my server that uses an external voice chat service.
Nor has anyone ever suggested it in LS chat.

We all use text chat when doing the dungeons and primal fights just fine.


And at this point I just don't want to hear other people's real voices.
If one of my friends is a cute Lalafell and in real life she has a low, husky voice... I really do not want to know. ><;

I don't want voice chat.

Its funny, I never ran into an LS doing voice chat in FFXI and all of sudden in FFXIV there are quite a few. Obviously its from the WoW influx. Or maybe the 360 crowd.

idk. I don't really care to use it though.

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I would like it if the PS3 released some kind of VC software that was compatible with PC's. I know the PSP has Skype but it's a pretty big bandwidth hog in comparison to some other chat programs out there like Mumble and Ventrilo. I'll have bandwidth troubles in a three way conversation in Skype while I can have a convo with 15 other people in Ventrilo and not worry as much about my voice turning into a robot. Also, if it were accessible through the PS3's XMB and PSN's servers were used for it then bandwidth wouldn't be an issue (for SE at least).

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The PS3 can use any type of voice chat encoding it wishes. Portal 2 PS3 can chat just fine with the PC version via VoIP. But no one is going to seriously use voice chat in an MMO (well this MMO at least). It's too problematic. Just setting up the software alone is a huge amount of work and effort. Well at least for Ventrillo. Which is a pretty poor piece of software. Too many options... overwhelms the user. Large groups aren't going to deal with getting everyone prepped to use it when text chat is an viable alternative.

I remember when Xbox live came out, and it's big "thing" was it's voice chat support. With "voice masking" software. Everyone hated the voice masking. And the actual voice chat was rarely used. The only times I remember using it we're for one on one stuff. That's it.

BTW Ventrillo doesn't support binds via the controller. Considering how many people use the controller (Japanese players I imagine, as well as FFXI migrants) I don't see this ever being widely adopted.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

The PS3 can use any type of voice chat encoding it wishes. And no one is going to seriously use voice chat in an MMO. It's too problematic. Just setting up the software alone is a huge amount of work and effort. Well at least for Ventrillo. Which is a pretty poor piece of software. Too many options... overwhelms the user. Large groups aren't going to deal with getting everyone prepped to use it when text chat is an viable alternative.

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Not sure if serious...

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Originally Posted by Laraul

The PS3 can use any type of voice chat encoding it wishes. And no one is going to seriously use voice chat in an MMO. It's too problematic. Just setting up the software alone is a huge amount of work and effort. Well at least for Ventrillo. Which is a pretty poor piece of software. Too many options... overwhelms the user. Large groups aren't going to deal with getting everyone prepped to use it when text chat is an viable alternative.

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...You're joking, right?
I taught myself how to use Vent years ago in about 3 minutes. Countless groups have done the same, or used an alternative such as Mumble. I'd like to see you type out a whole new set of instructions when a situation changes for the worse and still be able to adapt/handle the change while doing so.

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I remember when Xbox live came out, and it's big "thing" was it's voice chat support. With "voice masking" software. Everyone hated the voice masking. And the actual voice chat was rarely used. The only times I remember using it we're for one on one stuff. That's it.

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Xbox Live's voice chat more or less has always been used by 12 year olds and manchildren to scream obscenities at each other. There's a reason people avoid anything other than party chat now.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

But no one is going to seriously use voice chat in an MMO.

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I'm going to have to disagree with you. Been using voice chat in MMOs since before FFXI came out.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I suppose I can use this conveniently timed thread to post the official translation of Yoshida's thoughts on voice chat.

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Perfect! Just the idea of hearing 5-10 years old kids whinning irritates me.
Plus, I feel the heat coming for girls when basically the first thing you get in a normal chat box are: are you a girl rl? Where are you from?! Piss me off the most.

Really, it isn't needed. He makes valid points. If you want it, use a 3rd party as suggested. Although saying that does sound very unlike SE, seeing as how they considered EVERYTHING a 3rd party program in XI based on the fact that it was unfair for console users. Maybe they are wizening up?

I swear I am not playing devils advocate here, I am genuinly curious about the difference of the following question:

How are things like Vent and TS not considered 3rd party tools?

Don't get me wrong, I use TS all the time, and I have NO desire to see it banned from use by SE. It just strikes me as stange that there seems to be this huge distinction between botting tools and controllers that make crafting easier, and tools like TS that make chatting easier. Both tools circumvent using the mechanics that you are meant to use as part of the game. And yet, here we clearly have a case of the Director of the game advocating the use of one kind of tool while, in a completely different thread, having his company condemn the use of similar tools for other purposes.

Again, I am not trying to be smartass or start some hullabloo for no reason. I am just genuinily wondering where the distinction lies.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

I swear I am not playing devils advocate here, I am genuinly curious about the difference of the following question:

How are things like Vent and TS not considered 3rd party tools?

Don't get me wrong, I use TS all the time, and I have NO desire to see it banned from use by SE. It just strikes me as stange that there seems to be this huge distinction between botting tools and controllers that make crafting easier, and tools like TS that make chatting easier. Both tools circumvent using the mechanics that you are meant to use as part of the game. And yet, here we clearly have a case of the Director of the game advocating the use of one kind of tool while, in a completely different thread, having his company condemn the use of similar tools for other purposes.

Again, I am not trying to be smartass or start some hullabloo for no reason. I am just genuinily wondering where the distinction lies.

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I think the distinction lies in whereas you use voice chat while you're playing the game, botting tools allows you NOT to play the game (ie, you can be afk and do other things) while it does things for you.

That, and probably because it's pretty much impossible to ban voice chat. It's akin to banning the usage of a phone when you get down to it.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

I think the distinction lies in whereas you use voice chat while you're playing the game, botting tools allows you NOT to play the game (ie, you can be afk and do other things) while it does things for you.

That, and probably because it's pretty much impossible to ban voice chat. It's akin to banning the usage of a phone when you get down to it.

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Makes sense. Although one could argue you aren't playing the game the way they intended you to. Although TS and Vent doesn't really help you level faster, or really give you some huge advantage that other players don't have access to.

Third party tools interact with the game itself by manipulating game data. Even when you have Ventrillo, Internet Explorer or Msn (or whatever rocks your boat) running at the same time as FFXIV, it doesn't make them third party tools just because of that.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yoshi-P says he plays FPSs and other games online with voice chat..he knows it's not exactly an easy fix and that you can't completely silence people you find annoying lol.

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yeah u can block or mute or hmmm completely turn down the volume and go back to typing or turn off the option easy fix

I understand the logistics for not implementing in-game voice chat. People wouldn't use it anyway.

But the reasons he gives for not wanting to implement it are mostly huge cop-outs. What are we all 14 that we harass girls on the internet? That's a load of crap. That's like saying you never want to fly because planes can crash (yeah like one in a million flights).

Not using voice chat is a pretty stone age idea. Communication is better and it also helps build better relationships than text chat. It's no different than making a call versus texting someone--one is a better way to communicate complex ideas. I'm a big proponent of voice chat and always will be. Really I'm just glad to see the acknowledgement of such a tool come down from up on high since this community has generally been very anti-voip for all the wrong reasons.

Try it out seriously. You'll be surprised how much better your communication will improve in and outside of battle. Those bonds of trust build faster and help your group grow quicker and better.

Built-in voice chat flopped in WoW. There are SO many more important things SE should be focusing on. Leave voice chat to ventrilo and the like.

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Not using voice chat is a pretty stone age idea. Communication is better and it also helps build better relationships than text chat. It's no different than making a call versus texting someone--one is a better way to communicate complex ideas. I'm a big proponent of voice chat and always will be. Really I'm just glad to see the acknowledgement of such a tool come down from up on high since this community has generally been very anti-voip for all the wrong reasons.

Try it out seriously. You'll be surprised how much better your communication will improve in and outside of battle. Those bonds of trust build faster and help your group grow quicker and better.

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Stop generalizing.

It's a multi-lingual game. That should be reason enough.

Oh it isn't generalizing in the least bit. I've been a part of the FF-online community since its inception. That's the big picture on it. If you've seen different you haven't been looking very well.

I don't like voice chat... it's very annoying.
I like to play game while open some beautiful songs rather than listening to some rant swearing on voice chat.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Just wait till your 2 daughters start getting harassed, unless they're into that sorta thing.

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Hmm, unlike yourself, they have the mental capability to blacklist folks who act like that. Pretty simple fix, really. Not certain why it escapes you. Secondly, why would they be into such a thing? You assume because you are, that they all are?

harass female characters on voice chat... what no never...


How will PS3 users communicate with there link shell Ventrillo/SKype is fine for PC but there inst even a comment about PS3 users which is going to be a huge part of the community next year.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

but man is it hell on everyone else in vent/TS/mumble when you do

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That's only when I connect from my phone when I am at the bar with friends, then leave it on in my pocket.

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Originally Posted by Irondude

harass female characters on voice chat... what no never...


How will PS3 users communicate with there link shell Ventrillo/SKype is fine for PC but there inst even a comment about PS3 users which is going to be a huge part of the community next year.

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Unless you have broken fingers I'm quite sure you can type perfectly fine on a PS3.