Ideas for fixing house ownership

Been busy lately so I'll read all the posts I have missed and throw some more of my input in soon. :)

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Originally Posted by Kittypryde

That's how it is now and has always been; one FC can ONLY own one FC house. If you are referring to the 4-5 letter FC tags, you can use tags as many times as you want. There could be ten totally legit different FCs , each with 100 members, and each with different names, that all use the same tag, like ..I don't know....REGAL, or OMEGA....
If you click on a few FC houses with the exact same 4-5letter tag, and actually look at their FC name, I bet you 100m Gil, they will NOT be the same FC.

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I believe what MsQi is getting at is untying the house from the leader's account and only have the object tied to whatever unique token is used to identify the FC itself. Not a bad idea and would simplify the ownership rules. Accounts would only be tied to personal housing and FC's to FC housing.

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Originally Posted by Kittypryde

That's how it is now and has always been; one FC can ONLY own one FC house. If you are referring to the 4-5 letter FC tags, you can use tags as many times as you want. There could be ten totally legit different FCs , each with 100 members, and each with different names, that all use the same tag, like ..I don't know....REGAL, or OMEGA....
If you click on a few FC houses with the exact same 4-5letter tag, and actually look at their FC name, I bet you 100m Gil, they will NOT be the same FC.

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Every example we've seen of an FC with the same tag owning a bunch of houses has been the same FC as admitted so I'm not really buying that. We've literally got one guy who's proud of it in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Every example we've seen of an FC with the same tag owning a bunch of houses has been the same FC as admitted so I'm not really buying that. We've literally got one guy who's proud of it in this thread.

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How can you not believe what they've said? That's exactly what the game allows. 1 house per FC. In my case, 22 FCs for 22 FC houses.

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Originally Posted by NotOliverB

How can you not believe what they've said? That's exactly what the game allows. 1 house per FC. In my case, 22 FCs for 22 FC houses.

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I think you guys are talking past eachother. Elamys means it is the almost always the same person or persons (i.e. a single account holder) with multiple characters holding multiple FCs, not one FC with multiple houses. I'm pretty sure you already knew that though, and were just being pedantic because you were trying to make the point that you didn't technically break any rules, which you didn't. I do feel it's worth pointing out that SE has tried, granted unsuccessfully, to curb single account holders using shell FCs to hold multiple houses across their FCs.

On topic, I personally like Dustytome's very simple, very effective suggestion:

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Just have it run the function that checks to see if a person would qualify to purchase an fc house before leadership is passed on. If they don't pass the check, leadership can't be passed on to them and if no person qualifying for leadership is left in the fc, the plot no longer belongs to that fc.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

I think you guys are talking past eachother. Elamys means it is the almost always the same person or persons (i.e. a single account holder) with multiple characters holding multiple FCs, not one FC with multiple houses. I'm pretty sure you already knew that though, and were just being pedantic because you were trying to make the point that you didn't technically break any rules, which you didn't. I do feel it's worth pointing out that SE has tried, granted unsuccessfully, to curb exactly what you apparently did to get your 22 houses.

On topic, I personally like Dustytome's very simple, very effective suggestion:

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I know exactly what they were trying to say. I was just pointing out that FCs are separate entities, regardless of their stance on what is acceptable and what isn't. Bump that to 23 as of a minute ago :)

Also, Dustys' suggestion is very easily bypassed. I mean... deleted characters still count towards the total amount of members :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by NotOliverB

Also, Dustys' suggestion is very easily bypassed. I mean... deleted characters still count towards the total amount of members :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I'm not sure how that would enable a workaround, unless you are saying that a deleted character can still hold the leader position of an FC. If that's the case, that sounds like a bug that needs addressed regardless of the housing situation.

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Originally Posted by NotOliverB

I was just pointing out that FCs are separate entities, regardless of their stance on what is acceptable and what isn't. Bump that to 23 as of a minute ago :)

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Different chapters of the same organization are still the same organization. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Rymm

I'm not sure how that would enable a workaround, unless you are saying that a deleted character can still hold the leader position of an FC. If that's the case, that sounds like a bug that needs addressed regardless of the housing situation.

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How far does the rabbit hole go? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Different chapters of the same organization are still the same organization. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Too bad the rules don't agree with your logic. Tragic.

The real problem is the severe lack of good Gil sinks besides housing. As for me, even half assed crafting has made me 10-20x the Gil that one large mansion costs. What do we spend gil on besides houses? Legit not trying to brag. There are no real good Gil sinks besides houses. Max Gil owners who don't have multiple houses will just give up on this game. One of my good friends has well over max Gil, with one fc large and a personal large. If SE wants to keep them playing this game, (and there are a ton of them), they need more Gil sinks. More 20m mounts, more expandable apts to mansion size, more glams from npcs etc.

I still think the best solution is to decouple gardening and airships/submarines from housing. I don't see any problem with people like OliverB owning 23 FCs if they want to put in the time and effort to level them. The issue is that there are limited plots for housing, but a large number of players are using their house(s) only to access content. If housing is going to be a limited "prestige" resource as SE seems to want, then they need to allow access to the functionality locked behind it via other means and make a house into literally just a trophy item for decorating.

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Originally Posted by Kittypryde

The real problem is the severe lack of good Gil sinks besides housing. As for me, even half assed crafting has made me 10-20x the Gil that one large mansion costs. What do we spend gil on besides houses? Legit not trying to brag. There are no real good Gil sinks besides houses. Max Gil owners who don't have multiple houses will just give up on this game. One of my good friends has well over max Gil, with one fc large and a personal large. If SE wants to keep them playing this game, (and there are a ton of them), they need more Gil sinks. More 20m mounts, more expandable apts to mansion size, more glams from npcs etc.

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There isn't much to spend gil on is there? Other than housing or market board stuff not used to craft there is are no other efficient gil sinks. Part of the problem is SE creates a new currency for all of the side stuff. Look at all of the seals, tomestones, crystals, ventures, etc that take away the ability to sink gil. I think it is too late but these probably would have been better as tokens that authorize you buy stuff with gil.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

There isn't much to spend gil on is there? Other than housing or market board stuff not used to craft there is are no other efficient gil sinks. Part of the problem is SE creates a new currency for all of the side stuff. Look at all of the seals, tomestones, crystals, ventures, etc that take away the ability to sink gil. I think it is too late but these probably would have been better as tokens that authorize you buy stuff with gil.

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Yes, this is another big problem, nobody has anything to spend their gil on. They need to add things like rare glamours, mounts, and minions that can ONLY be obtained from spending gil (no shuffling them into some other content later down the line to "make them easier to get" to encourage people to spend. It can't be tied to anything that provides actual game advantages or anything like that because that just makes it unfair. It has to be for vanity stuff.

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Originally Posted by Brynne

I still think the best solution is to decouple gardening and airships/submarines from housing. I don't see any problem with people like OliverB owning 23 FCs if they want to put in the time and effort to level them. The issue is that there are limited plots for housing, but a large number of players are using their house(s) only to access content. If housing is going to be a limited "prestige" resource as SE seems to want, then they need to allow access to the functionality locked behind it via other means and make a house into literally just a trophy item for decorating.

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Would be worth a try and may encourage some of the players with more then one FC house to let some of them go.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

There isn't much to spend gil on is there? Other than housing or market board stuff not used to craft there is are no other efficient gil sinks. Part of the problem is SE creates a new currency for all of the side stuff. Look at all of the seals, tomestones, crystals, ventures, etc that take away the ability to sink gil. I think it is too late but these probably would have been better as tokens that authorize you buy stuff with gil.

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Not against this but I am part of the need more gil party. My own fault though been heavily focused on getting my crafting up and not trying to make much gil. :D

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Originally Posted by NotOliverB

I know exactly what they were trying to say. I was just pointing out that FCs are separate entities, regardless of their stance on what is acceptable and what isn't. Bump that to 23 as of a minute ago :)

Also, Dustys' suggestion is very easily bypassed. I mean... deleted characters still count towards the total amount of members :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Still breaking the rules telling people how you abused the system I see.

Come on over :-)

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Originally Posted by GarretStrongstaf

Come on over :-)

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There's quite a few houses available here on Louisoix, and we are a loveable bunch.