I can assure you that if you don't succinctly explain your argument in the first 200 words or so, it will get ignored or misinterpreted. Key word: 'succinct'.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKusakabe
Both of my sons are millenials. In your post, you failed the argument as soon as you ran to stereotype. Your argument reads better when it ends with "than two lines".
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07-06-2018, 04:40 AMDPZ2
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07-06-2018, 07:43 AMMysticales
To those wondering about character limits. One of the reasons forum/server admins set these limits is to prevent database issues.
SQL Server admins know what I mean. Say on avg. Your threads are 5-10 pages. Then you may have one thread that is 3000 pages+. It causes that part of the table not to be optimized which can in turn slow or bottleneck another area.
Imagine if we had 20k posts.. times that by so many. It could cause things to choke up if the server isnt tuned right. -
07-06-2018, 07:56 AMHestzhyenI can't wait to be an old grouch like you and blame everything on the younger generation's shortcomings... :rolleyes: Even back in your youth there were plenty of people who didn't have the time or inclination to read walls of text, especially if it held little of value. And wouldn't you know, being succinct and saying exactly what's needed without any fluff is the cornerstone to making an effective argument, no matter what the topic is! I'm pretty sure you were taught that back in the day when you had to walk up hill both ways in the snow with a baby strapped to your back just to get to/from school, right? Or were you too busy pulling yourself up by your bootstraps to pay attention in class?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKusakabe
Yay to increase, boo to it not being retroactively applied. Wistful suggestion: can replies that quote text have the quoted sections not count towards the character limit? That's often how I end up going over. -
07-06-2018, 08:02 AMSigma-AstraWhen you went to school....? I mean, I'm 30 years old and playing XIV and considered a Millennial. You must be like....40-60...at least, closer towards that age range to be considered NOT a millennial in which case, what does that even matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKusakabe
The people who blame all of their problems or pet peeves on another age group act JUST like some of the people that they so despise from another age grouping.
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07-06-2018, 08:41 AMKisaiTenshiI remember when a phpBB2 forum I ran hit about page 100 for a thread... anyone with administrative privileges were no longer able to view the forum, because the administrative privilege did something that required looking at every post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysticales
Most forums today tend to store threads in one table (eg the first post minus the body of the text), and the post body in another table, and the actual process of assembling a thread is something like "get post startat to display limit from post body table, thread table".
There's also two kinds of text fields, one is char/varchar, which is indexable, and another which is basically "text/blob" which is not indexable. So the search process typically has to create a keyword counter every time a post is created or edited, and it needs to be rebuilt every so often. Take note that if you try to search anything on this forum, it usually won't go back before 2017, because that hits the 20 page search limit. However if you go to google and search the forum, you can find posts all the way back from 2013.
At any rate, the limit is very specifically a vBulletin thing.
AdminCP > Settings > Options > Message Posting and Editing Options > Maximum Characters per Post
The limit really doesn't matter except to curtail spam, and "quote" pyramids. If something else was the issue, it's not Vbulletin, PHP or the underlying SQL server imposing it. -
07-06-2018, 08:56 AMSove92That is not the limit SE is using for these forums. The built-in limit applies to all posts, on everybody, on all sections and it cannot be bypassed by editing. They are using their own vB hack to do this, so they could impose the limits to certain sections, while keeping sections like bug reports unlimited. Needless to say, it's not coded very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
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07-06-2018, 08:38 PMHyoMinParkJust to update, I am still having to edit posts (both replies and non-replies, with and without quotes, brand new threads and older ones before this update was supposedly implemented) to bypass the 1,000 limit. Is this change literally just limited to the opening post a person writes when creating a new thread? I haven’t made a thread to test it out, but it’s not working with any other type of post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridrina
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07-06-2018, 09:55 PMAlleoWhich would be strange because that should have been part of their statement. But hey it really does not surprise me anymore...Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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07-07-2018, 04:04 PMDriskus
Would be nice if the increase had actually happened, but in typical SE fashion, they fail to test even the smallest things before release. Just got hit with the 1000-character limit posting in General Discussion.
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07-07-2018, 11:54 PMBourne_EndeavorJust attempted to post in an existing thread and create a brand new one, both were met with the same 1,000 character limit error. Has this change not yet gone live?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridrina
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07-08-2018, 06:14 AMUsho
Eh...better than nothing I guess. Though we can still edit to increase it further, they seem oblivious to that still. Just remove the damn character limit entirely. It's plain stupid in this day and age on a forum for a video game. But this is progress I guess so.....yay?
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07-08-2018, 11:44 PMMikki
Still getting hit with 1k limits. Would be nice if we could hear back on why this is happening......
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07-09-2018, 01:19 AMDustytomeMaybe they're looking into it and just not saying anything until they get it fixed correctly? A quick "Oops, looks like it didn't take but we're digging through to find out. It may take a few days but it's still our intentions to have the limit at X!" would go a long way vs dropping off the initial message and then dead silence when it was brought up that it's not working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikki
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07-10-2018, 12:51 PMKaivaC
Bringing this back up in hopes that the mods are paying attention to this. A lot of us are wondering how and if the changes were implemented, and if they weren't, when are they going to be implemented. Many of us do understand that there are a lot of things that we don't see here in the forums, but some communication on this would be nice as a faith of goodwill between us players and the community managers. Even if the edits weren't implemented, that would be better than no news at all. Humbly requesting that the mods let us know up front if the changes were implemented as stated in the OP, or if we'll have to wait a while longer for them.
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07-10-2018, 05:31 PMAlleo
This post is a week old and there is still the old limit. Cant we get at least some information about what happened? Is the code that badly that even an increase gives such problems?
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07-16-2018, 10:20 AMKaivaC
Bumping this one last time. In the overall scope of things, the forum character limit is a minor thing...but minor things like this build up trust between the CM and the player base here on the forums. And given how often players are redirected to the forums by GMs, I'd say that a healthy relationship between the community and the game moderators/community managers are pretty important. Compared to things like the bots, the RMTs, the bugs in the game, etc., a character limit increase is pretty small. But with the lack of communication, it adds up - if we cannot get an answer on something minor like this, from a post that a CM started, that just contributes even further to a wall that is hard to get through. So, CMs, I'm sure that you guys have a litany of things going on behind the scenes that you cannot even see. But in light of the original post, either it feels like you've pulled all of our legs, or something happened behind the scenes in which the limit cannot be increased. Again, yes it's a minor thing - but the lack of changes that were promised and the complete silence on your ends erodes that goodwill that we have.
Any kind of answer will do - even if it's not the one we want to hear. We just want to know what the deal is. Why post a change, and nothing happened? At this point, many of us have likely moved on - but the next change that is posted by a CM about something here is also likely to be taken with a grain of salt. A lot of us just want to know, officially, if the change has happened in some capacity, and if it hasn't, when can we expect the change. Thanks. -
07-16-2018, 02:45 PMMikki
I'd like to touch back on this and say, it seems like the limit has now been increased. I posted something earlier and it told me I was over the 3k limit and I posted other things that I'm sure were over 1k.
So that's great but definitely in the future, I think there needs to be more communication in situations like these. We were left for over a week with no word. Handled very poorly, in my opinion. Just a quick word would mean a lot, even if it's just to say "We're not sure why this is happening but we are looking into it." would be very much appreciated. -
07-16-2018, 03:31 PMkikix12
I'm pretty sure that since the post I made on the eight, I could post stuff up to 3000 without the need of editing, meaning that the limit was already raised by then. Yes, I think that at third it still was not, but afterwards...maybe it's a problem of cookies on the part of the forum goers.