And so it begins...

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Originally Posted by Bowen

It's a tiny menu... That can be moved to wherever you please...

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To be honest? It would please me to get rid of most of it.

Here's the thing. Some people like having everything on a button they can get to ASAP. Like how some people have 100+ icons on their desktops. Other people, for whatever reason, would rather clutter be minimized and only have something out when they need it--here, the extreme would be those people who exclusively like the Start menu and rigorously place things into folders. I only want my Goobbue when I need it--which, aside testifying that I paid for at least one month of service before 2.0, I don't really see ever needing it. Yeah, it's neat, and I know it really hit the spot for some people, but it really doesn't even look fetching, with my poor butt bouncing in and out of its head, clipping issues with EVERYTHING, and my camera ending up in weird places (normally inside its stomach. o.0). In those times, I could be bothered to type a console command, like "/item "Goobbue Horn" <me>.

Now, if the UI were customizable, I'd be all for adding more options to interest those people who would rather have 20+ icons on a not-so-micro menu, and never open another menu in their lives. But here's the thing--that's only some people, and they added it for everyone. The way I see it, adding the horn to the micro-menu was like adding a Mandragora Hat (forgive the XI reference) to a permanent button (which we had none of in XI). I actually prefer the XIV system to XI because it's now possible for me to play with my mouse, if I so desire. A lot of people play almost-exclusively with their mouse--I get that, and I'm alright with it. I'm not DEMANDING that they IMMEDIATELY remove the Goobbue icon from my micro-menu. I'm merely saying that I think it was a bad move and don't want to see anything else added UNTIL we can customize it.

UI will be customizable with the modding support they were talking about, but for now the micro menu is starting to grow too fast imho. If they'll continue adding icons at current speed, we might end up with it stretching from one edge of the screen to the other pre-2.0

The 2.0 one is compact enough with similar actions tied to one icon (call - calls retainers and mounts)

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Originally Posted by Yelta_Sumasu

I don't even use it for chocobo as I bound that to shift-c. But one or even ten more icon in the menu isn't going to break the game for me in 1.xx.

Many people do prefer a minimal UI so hopefully that will be an option in the future.

I don't know about anyone else but I am planning on using my programming background for good and hopefully write some addons that will alleviate frustration and enhance enjoyment.

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If your planning on making add-ons i would be very interested in seeing something that would take advantage of dual screens. Not saying its imperative but would be cool to see. I'm not a programmer so i cant suggest anymore then that. :)

Hey guys, I know this thread was made initially discussing the goobbue horn on the micro menu, but since it's sorta morphed into a micro menu discussion in general, so I'd like to post some updates here. Some players have asked about being able to edit/remove/change icons on the micro menu and while it is possible, as the amount of work required for it would be quite high, we will look into this alongside the priority of other items.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Hey guys, I know this thread was made initially discussing the goobbue horn on the micro menu, but since it's sorta morphed into a micro menu discussion in general, so I'd like to post some updates here. Some players have asked about being able to edit/remove/change icons on the micro menu and while it is possible, as the amount of work required for it would be quite high, we will look into this alongside the priority of other items.

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Thank goodness! The micro menu stopped being "micro" long time ago! Would be great being able to pick from a checkbox-like preferences window what commands we want at micro menu. As gamepad user, for me no more than chocobo whistle, use item and emotes buttons would be there. ^^

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Hey guys, I know this thread was made initially discussing the goobbue horn on the micro menu, but since it's sorta morphed into a micro menu discussion in general, so I'd like to post some updates here. Some players have asked about being able to edit/remove/change icons on the micro menu and while it is possible, as the amount of work required for it would be quite high, we will look into this alongside the priority of other items.

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Oh good lord thank heavens o.o

Even if it would be a lot of work, being able to manipulate the contents of the micro menu (and indeed, whether or not it displays at all) would be wonderful!

For what it's worth I say please, do put that work in, even if only as a 2.0 feature!

Yes! Thank you for looking into that! I've never understood why we need all these excessive additions to the menu.

The toggle feature for pop-up help should have been an option in the configuration, not on the bar there. Goobbue could be set as a feature to choose between from Chocobo stables. Exchange your whistle for the horn, or horn for whistle. I can't really think of a purpose where one needs to summon one or the other except for amusement purposes. Both run at the same speed, both can take damage and dismount you, both can be lamed and run slower. Not saying I don't like the Goobbue mount (Thank you for that!) but we don't really need access to both at the same time. Maybe even a feature could be toggled in the configuration to swap between mount choices. Even a command could work:

/mount chocobo (/m chocobo)
/mount goobbue (/m goobbue)

Letting you set which the mount icon would summon. This could be exceptionally useful later on as newer mounts are added, a simple command would swap which mount could be summoned from the micro menu. And if it's insisted the pop-up display is used, maybe allow it to be toggled between? First one sets them all on, second sets only help text for abilities in the action bar, third sets only popup help for all functions when moused over. And the fourth turns it off altogether. You could also reduce it to three by having it as all popups, only help text for abilities, or off. Chances are if someone's using it for functions in the menu, they're also going to want it on for their abilities so being able to show one or the other probably isn't needed. The NPC linkpearl icon could probably be removed, the animated linkpearl in the date/time worked pretty well before it was changed. If not remove it, convert it so it instead opens the linkshell menu for easier swapping of linkshells/linkpearls. Heck! Make it cycle through our linkshell listing! One press sets it to the first linkpearl, second press sets it to the second linkshell, third, the third, and so on depending on how many linkpearls you have, up the 8 we have available. That there would be a HUGE help for when you want to change linkpearls on the fly without having to enter the main menu everytime.

I dont use the icons, I have chocobo and goobue bound to CTRL+LSHIFT+C and CTRL+LSHIFT+G respectively

SE should be wary of offering too much customization in the basic interface. The more options they add to the interface, the more complex it becomes. And the more complex it is, the harder it is to learn and use. This increases the learning curve for the game, and makes it harder for newbies to get into the game and enjoy it.

If you ask me, the basic interface should offer only a little customization, and if people want more customization they can use addons. I know that's not a possibility right now since SE hasn't implemented support for addons yet, but when they do, they should restrict the amount of customization that can be done without addons. That way the official interface remains clean, streamlined, and easy to use. And if people aren't satisfied with the official interface, there will be a plethora of addons that can be used to customize their UI to perfectly fit their play-style.

So here's my suggestion for the Micro Menu: rather than allowing players to manipulate or customize the contents of the Micro Menu, make the Micro Menu fixed and unchangeable (at least without using addons), but also make it contain only the absolute basic essential functions that will be frequently used on a regular basis, and move everything else to other menus or other parts of the interface.

For example, the Chocobo and Goobue mounts (and all future mounts as well) could be made into abilities that players can put into their Action Bar, rather than having them take up space in the Micro Menu. In fact, if we're going to have lots and lots of mounts in the future, this is probably what SE is going to eventually have to do anyway. After all, could you imagine having 20 different mount icons in your Micro Menu? That would be a nightmare! The Action Bar is a much better place for the mounts than the Micro Menu.

Also, the options for toggling "Pop-Up Help" and "UI Lock" should be moved into the Configuration menu, and should not have their own buttons in the Micro Menu. These are settings that players generally set once and then never touch again, so they don't need to be right there on the surface of the UI.

And all of those "Player Interaction" commands should be moved into a separate pop-up menu that only appears when you right-click on a player's character or their character name in the UI.

"Emotes & Signs" could be moved to a sub-category under "Social."

The toggle for switching between Active and Passive modes should be removed completely, and the game should just switch modes automatically whenever the player tries to use any ability on a mob (or hostile player, once PvP is implemented). Seriously, having to manually switch modes is annoying. The game should be smart enough to know when I want to attack something and switch automatically.

SE can experiment for now, but once Version 2.0 launches, the Micro Menu should be refined to contain ONLY the following options:

1. Gear (G)
2. Actions & Traits (U)
3. Point Allotment (N)
4. Achievements (Y)
5. Journal (J)
6. Linkshell (L)
7. Social Lists (O)
8. Search (I)
9. Player vs. Player (P)
10. Main Menu (Escape)
11. Support Desk (H)

Everything else should be placed in other parts of the interface, or regrouped into a sub-category under one of the above options. The above options should also be fixed and unchangeable. If players want to rearrange the options, or add or remove anything from the Micro Menu, then they can use addons. No customization of the Micro Menu should be possible without addons.

(Keep in mind the above list was organized with Version 2.0 in mind, rather than the current version of the game.)