Real Solutions to PvP problems

after some thought (about 186 Rival Wings matches worth), i think a solution to the whole "premades/statics vs pugged/solo qued" debate in in PVP that isn't just "find a static" is to just make them seperate. make premade groups a seperate que where you fight other premade groups, and solo ques a que where there are no premades. that way premade groups get a fun and challenging fight against equally tough opponants, and the solo ques can't whine about premades if they lose.

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Originally Posted by Waffles298

after some thought (about 186 Rival Wings matches worth), i think a solution to the whole "premades/statics vs pugged/solo qued" debate in in PVP that isn't just "find a static" is to just make them seperate. make premade groups a seperate que where you fight other premade groups, and solo ques a que where there are no premades. that way premade groups get a fun and challenging fight against equally tough opponants, and the solo ques can't whine about premades if they lose.

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4 people can't change the course of an RW match that quickly and a group of 8 can't queue together. So more often than not both teams have premades. Separating the queue would only slow down the match. It really boils down to how coordinated can you get 24 people.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

If we do that then we need to add a cure spell to tanks and one to all DPS.

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Pfft why only one cure when WAR used to have PB/Venge+BB, 2 Thrills, IB, Equilibrium, Second Wind and Mercy Stroke, it was not uncommon to see 80-100k healing done at the end of match sometimes doing more than actual healers if they slacked.

I just want muh monster back ;_____;

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Pfft why only one cure when WAR used to have PB/Venge+BB, 2 Thrills, IB, Equilibrium, Second Wind and Mercy Stroke, it was not uncommon to see 80-100k healing done at the end of match sometimes doing more than actual healers if they slacked.

I just want muh monster back ;_____;

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Ah. . . back when WARs actually made ME hesitant to face them. Oh, those were the days.

Imagine the Push Back laughs on an Astragalos bridge!

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Ah. . . back when WARs actually made ME hesitant to face them. Oh, those were the days.

Imagine the Push Back laughs on an Astragalos bridge!

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It's kinda funny that nobody screamed nerfs for WAR ever in HW when it simply was THE most OP job in PvP back then(SE even buffed them by giving Weapon Throw to all tanks), for some reason SMN took all the heat while WAR was literally 1-2 shotting even healers and other tanks. WAR was ultimate solo job when it came to PvP and it was nearly unkillable when one simple zerg buffed Equilibrium crit restored around 70% HP and if you got Second Wind crit after that it was 100%, if there was 3-5 physical jobs against you all you had to do was pop PB+Venge+BB and if they weren't smart they literally kept you at full HP and then you went AoE mode with Decimate, felt like doing dungeons where you AoE'd players like trash mobs... oh and those Decimate crits also healed you A LOT on top of everything else D:

If only WAR had Onslaught back then it would have been PERFECT! THE SUPREMEOVERGOD!

I still remember one MNK from Wolf Pier who yelled that he would pay 1mil for each loss to him in duel and while i was semi-afk waiting in que he whispered if i would give a try and i said sure why not, well he lost about 12 times in a row but i was being nice and never took any Gil as it would have been unfair :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dsn5rZShls Nice there was actually a small teaser in YT of this former GOD job and it should give you the idea what it was capable of back then :P

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

I fixed it for you. It is not the active PvP community that is doing these things you state.

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It's not the PVP Community?
Oh really so these 2 man 3 man gangs which is always the same character, match after match with each other from their base to tower and actively playing, Healer / Healer / BRD, as an example... are not part of the PVP community then? I think you will find you are mistaken. There are table grinding fools that exploit bad application of PVP Ballance to simply grind totes and get up that weekly and monthly table.

Those skill less fools are also part of the PVP community. Gimp the healers and they will no longer be an issue and dps wont need a buff as they wont have to fight against a healer for half an hour as they have infinite heals...

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Originally Posted by Kei_

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Um... you do realize that the active pvp community doesn't really care to win or lose. They just go in for fun. Of course winning is preferable but they aren't the healer, healer, bard in astragalos. Those people are a flash in the pan representation of people just trying to get their mount and leave. Either that or they are grinding their exp and leaving. You can't gauge and active pvp'er just from astragalos release. Play for months and years and you will see who they are. But don't lump someone in because for a few weeks you see the same makeup.