Shinryu Ex needs a nerf

There's a normal version of this fight if you prefer something easier. But it sounds like you're looking for the rewards for this fight without the effort. Nope. At a certain point some things in this game have to be earned by determination and learning from mistakes (I won't even say skill because EX fights are more about knowing the script than anything).

If you're too impatient to learn with PUGs, get a static or wait until the content is older.

SB Release: Shinryu needs a nerf
SB 4.1: Extreme Shinryu needs a nerf

I want Square to release a super savage Shinryu now just to keep this going. I still have popcorn.

This is sad.

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Originally Posted by Jeycht

I'm all for it, nobody want contents for less than 10% of players, everything should be doable for 50% of the playerbase atleast (if not more). To be sure it's not a waste of ressources.
I'm sure Nic Pay would agree with me.

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Lots of people want that though... That's why they do it.

I want it. I havent gotten there yet, but it gives me something to strive for. Something to look forward to beating. It's thrilling.

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Originally Posted by CuteMoonMoon

If you offwork at 6-7AM EST and you got only got 2-3 hours online time in work day.
You never know the feeling when you waste a day for nothing get, dont to mension that it takes an hour to form a group at that time

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I have a son who's just over a year old, work 30 so hours a week, and do college 3 days a week.

Wanna know how much time I get to play a day? Sometimes none. If I'm lucky I'll get to play 3 days a week, maybe 4. And on those days, I'm usually lucky to get 4 hours at most. And I've still cleared os1 and am getting ready for os2. Time is no excuse

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

SB Release: Shinryu needs a nerf
SB 4.1: Extreme Shinryu needs a nerf

I want Square to release a super savage Shinryu now just to keep this going. I still have popcorn.

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6.0 ultimate Shinryu needs a nerf

Still got to get my clear but this fight is not that hard, I can play maybe 2 or 3hrs a day an so far so good ,almost on my clear.
I don't really think it needs a nerf.
An compare to thordan this fight feels a lot easier to me.

The fight is not that hard. It is simply learn where to stand for the mechanics and do decent damage and you win. The fight does the same actions over and over again... so it is not that hard to learn. Yes failed mechanics 1 shot you and if you have a group with multiple ppl dying it will be a wipe... but that is how it should be.

The dps check is very mild in the fight. I would say for a ex primal difficulty is right where it needs to be.

I am sorry but the playerbase as a whole needs to just get better if this is too hard. It is a whole lot easier then Thordan was back in HW.

You cleared 33 times but want a nerf? What?

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Originally Posted by WizzNL

If someone cleared 30+ times, its not them who fail. So saying they should go Suzy or Lakshmi makes no sense or you just lack reading skills.

I understand how OP does feel, after trying to clear Shin for over a week now. Its just hard to get 7 ppl who dont mess up, if you dont have a static. I dont want SE to nerf it though, the challenge is something i enjoy but i do wish there were more pug groups with 8 decent people.

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You're lacking being able to see an obvious irony. Op complains about difficulty, even though that fight is far from being difficult. Especially middle and last phase, are super easy compared to some earlier primals. The fact that op or you get god awful groups, doesn't automatically mean everyone struggles with it. Following this logic lets nerf o3s and o4s as well, as its hard to get good pugs in there. That's complete nonsense. It's called extreme for a reason. It's meant to be bit harder than typical content in this game but not as hard as final raid encounters. And guess what - it's exactly that kind of difficult. This game is already mostly faceroll, so asking for more faceroll type encounters like first 2 primals introduced with Stormblood, is just beyond me. Shinryu doesn't need any nerfs due to time naturally nerfing that fight already. If you struggle now, simply get better groups or try again later instead of asking to nerf a fight that a lot of people find enjoyable and tunned just right. Luckily - seeing the amount of likes and type of replies that OP gets, its easy to see that barely anyone agrees with this nonsense.

Shinryu ex does NOT need a nerf. Especially just so OP can farm it faster. Sheesh.

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Originally Posted by Jeycht

I'm all for it, nobody want contents for less than 10% of players, everything should be doable for 50% of the playerbase atleast (if not more). To be sure it's not a waste of ressources.
I'm sure Nic Pay would agree with me.

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Actually ud be 100 percent wrong I've never asked for a nerf on any up to date content. Shiyru isn't wasted because it's actual in reaCh of plenty of people in the game unlike ultimate

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Shinryu ex does NOT need a nerf. Especially just so OP can farm it faster. Sheesh.

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The self-entitledness in today's youth is sad.

I haven't even cleared it yet and I dont think it needs a nerf. Its not that difficult a fight, people just join farm parties expecting to get carried.

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Originally Posted by CuteMoonMoon

If you offwork at 6-7AM EST and you got only got 2-3 hours online time in work day.
You never know the feeling when you waste a day for nothing get, dont to mension that it takes an hour to form a group at that time

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Here we go, "this game does not conform to MY schedule. CHANGE IT!" /sigh

I would rather they address the horrible drop rate of mounts or lower that token number by half at least. I didn't even get the bird in HW because I am done farming 99 tokens all the while hoping and praying for that elusive mount to drop.

I can deal with fail pts, I get a new one and move on, I cannot deal with that horrible rng, so I just don't do it.

Remember when they asked the same thing for normal mode? It never got one and it’s extreme version won’t either. Plus the last phase is easier than 1st

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Originally Posted by EorzeaHero69

Remember when they asked the same thing for normal mode? It never got one and it’s extreme version won’t either. Plus the last phase is easier than 1st

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I'd have to disagree the last phase is worse. Way more one shoot kills in last phase than the first. First phase is a lot easier than last phase

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I'd have to disagree the last phase is worse. Way more one shoot kills in last phase than the first. First phase is a lot easier than last phase

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They're equally hard in different ways.
P1 has harder mechanics but the punishment for failing some of them them isn't too bad, while P3 has easier mechanics which usually OHKO you if you don't do them properly.

The last phase is already quite a few levels easier than the first phases.

I usually don't like saying this, but git gud.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

The last phase is already quite a few levels easier than the first phases.

I usually don't like saying this, but git gud.

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the very post is complaint on last phase not first phase, any group can get through first phase with ease, its final phase where everyone ends up dying. And yea sorry I didnt know I controlled what seven other people along with myself but ok I hear you

show me where that option is to take a 8 man party in where you can control everyone Id glady use that option wouldnt do a single peice of content with another person if that was available it should be so I can just stop dealing with people anyway

No, it doesn't need a nerf, in any phase. One death is not a wipe on P3.
Next thread.

The phrase "git gud", as much as I loathe it, applies here. Carry on.

hmmm nope , Shinryu doesn't need nerf at all .

at Elemental data center RF are doing fine , mostly wipe due someone error on 1st phase but as long as we clear 1st phase on RF = 100% guaranteed clear now. (once again it's R A I D F I N D E R not Party Finder) . not to mention there's a lot PF doing it just fine on Elemental data center.

when you talk about : "I'm a good player , but I got shitty team that keeps dying over and over" . please find yourself a good Party Finder on your data center , or just fine some human that you called a F R I E N D to farm shinryu with you instead doing everything S O L O like a stupid anime main hero ROFL. really dude this is MMORPG not Console RPG. git gud & git fren or just git lost. ( btw you did say you only have few hours/day due your works . if you can't handle pugs , schedule your self on game to find some F R I E N D S *LS farm ex/savage etc* instead doing every single content solo like headless chicken mating party )

P.S : I really had enough to people that whining and asking for nerf for every damn content , could you just appreciate devs that already make a great content? you don't want people waste your 10-15min? , then why you expect devs gonna waste their dozen amount of time working on content that going to get nerf later on so everyone just can press 123123123 and win the content? . Please dude RESPECT DEVELOPERS CONTENT! once again this is MMORPG game , and yeah sry for my harsh words , I already on my limit seeing thread like this keep popping up on every single new content up.

At least it isn't bad as Thordan from what I've heard, and they did warn us ahead of time that it'd be at that level of needed skill regardless. Just keep throwing yourself at it and you'll eventually get it.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

show me where that option is to take a 8 man party in where you can control everyone Id glady use that option wouldnt do a single peice of content with another person if that was available it should be so I can just stop dealing with people anyway

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"If only I could play with seven other Mes. Because I'm perfect"

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Originally Posted by Imsoangry

You're lacking being able to see an obvious irony. Op complains about difficulty, even though that fight is far from being difficult. Especially middle and last phase, are super easy compared to some earlier primals. The fact that op or you get god awful groups, doesn't automatically mean everyone struggles with it. Following this logic lets nerf o3s and o4s as well, as its hard to get good pugs in there. That's complete nonsense. It's called extreme for a reason. It's meant to be bit harder than typical content in this game but not as hard as final raid encounters. And guess what - it's exactly that kind of difficult. This game is already mostly faceroll, so asking for more faceroll type encounters like first 2 primals introduced with Stormblood, is just beyond me. Shinryu doesn't need any nerfs due to time naturally nerfing that fight already. If you struggle now, simply get better groups or try again later instead of asking to nerf a fight that a lot of people find enjoyable and tunned just right. Luckily - seeing the amount of likes and type of replies that OP gets, its easy to see that barely anyone agrees with this nonsense.

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While I agree on the argument that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed, you are not in a position to say anything about people having trouble with PF groups.
If OP wants to voice a frustration about PF groups not being good enough most of the time, then it's their very right to do so. Saying that it's "nonsense" or that "the game is a faceroll anyway" when you don't seem to be able to relate to their situation is not a welcome comment. It's like having a rich person saying to a poor one "life's easy, what you complain about is nonsense!". Also, I hope you realize that "simply get better group" is a completly useless thing to say. That's the very point of OP, not being able to get reliable PF groups.
Like it or not, the complain is valid, especially coming from someone who did quite a bunch of kills in PF already. Their experience in the matter is probably more relevant than yours.

That being said, I reiterate that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed for that reason. But that doesn't make the complaint "nonsense". The complain is absolutly founded and based on true experience.

Shinryu follows the same principle in fight design as most "difficult" content in Stormblood. The fight peaks mid-way through the fight and you get to play the slow ride to the end. Incidentally the "hardest" mechanics in the fight happen on the first phase, with the second and third phase being pretty faceroll in comparison.

Due to said design, the difficulty can barely hold a candle up to Sephirot, not to even mention Thordan. The fight is in no need of nerfs at all. The last phase of Shinryu is one of the easier finales when looking at the whole spectrum of Extreme encounters we've had past the lifespan of the game.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

You cleared 33 times but want a nerf? What?

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OP basically wants it easier so she can farm for the mount, which I find amusing since I wager they'll be among the first complaining how little content there is if Shinryu EX were nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

While I agree on the argument that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed, you are not in a position to say anything about people having trouble with PF groups.
If OP wants to voice a frustration about PF groups not being good enough most of the time, then it's their very right to do so. Saying that it's "nonsense" or that "the game is a faceroll anyway" when you don't seem to be able to relate to their situation is not a welcome comment. It's like having a rich person saying to a poor one "life's easy, what you complain about is nonsense!". Also, I hope you realize that "simply get better group" is a completly useless thing to say. That's the very point of OP, not being able to get reliable PF groups.
Like it or not, the complain is valid, especially coming from someone who did quite a bunch of kills in PF already. Their experience in the matter is probably more relevant than yours.

That being said, I reiterate that Shinryu shouldn't be nerfed for that reason. But that doesn't make the complaint "nonsense". The complain is absolutly founded and based on true experience.

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My point was that asking for nerfs is nonsense given the fact that this fight clearly doesn't need them. Op has right to voice anything really, just like I have right to call it ridiculous if I find solid reasons to do so. I realise that entire thread comes from frustration, I really do - that doesn't justify asking for nerfs though. For this reason I mentioned o3s and o4s which you obviously ignored. Why those two shouldn't get nerfed ? Shouldn't everything be doable easily with no preparations in raid finder ?

I clearly can't fully relate to what op says as a hardcore raider, but not necessarily because I'm ignorant to the fact there's plenty of bad players in this game. I get it really. However for this reason, and aslo because it's a MMO you simply make friends. You can't expect EU/NA party finder group to be really good all the time, as most good players just stick to those who they know they can rely on. My group often pick up random friends for farming stuff if we're missing someone, we never open up pf though, as its simply unreliable. I know some people who have even less time to play than OP and yet they have no problems farming primals when they want to do so.

Like any other content in this game, it will get easier as time goes by due to itemlevel increase. You can already skip loads of mechanics if your group is competent enough. For this reason, I find asking for nerfs now, when the fight is not even a month long, a complete ignorance and selfishness. So to sum it up - let's nerf the fight that devs been working on, because op can't farm fast enough and playerbase is not good enough to easily faceroll it through party finder groups every single time ? You know what ? that's a definition of nonsense right here.

"Get better group" is not an useless advice. It's in fact one of the best op can get. Instead of whining for nerfs on OF, just man up, and make a farm linkshell. Do some party finder groups and simply pick up those who perform well. If you're indeed good enough, it won't be a problem and people will join you for sure. Then you can have solid pool of players everytime you want to farm any future primals instead of relying on complete strangers most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

"If only I could play with seven other Mes. Because I'm perfect"

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Just going to leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYE2HARqyIU

Instead of asking for nerfs, why not put in a little tiny bit of extra effort and try to improve as a player?

Please no nerfs of this

LOL get out of here. Shin is a great fight. Sorry you cant afk in it.

If you are looking to farm the mount it will naturally become easier over time. When better gear comes out in 4.2 and beyond.

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Originally Posted by Mariel_Crystallie

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A little off topic but I wish people would stop talking like you can just go down to the supermarket and grab yourself a few new friends.

Run the content with friends, too, less of a gamble that way. The good PUGs probably aren't active the time you get on. There's FCs for that. If you can't find one in your server, maybe you can ask around and join a higher pop server or you might have to wait for better gear.

Also no need to be harsh on OP. You can't just git gud on your own. You need good players, too, so you can get a good deal of practice in. But nerf is not the answer. This community can do better than that. OP can do better than that.

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Originally Posted by Jellybums

Run the content with friends, too, less of a gamble that way. .

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Everyone doesn't have friends or friends with skill for that matter. While i say no nerf the whole run with friends thing is played out. Pugs are ruff took me like 50 or more to get my first clear

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Originally Posted by Nandalowell

A little off topic but I wish people would stop talking like you can just go down to the supermarket and grab yourself a few new friends.

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Up until now I still have an active social LS & FC that recruiting players for helping them do a content and they manage to clear O4S & shinryu just fine even tho they just start playing on SB & 3.4/3.5 . and I still have so many social discord that held so many players that willing to learn how to play and optimize , and thus from there I manage to make a lot of friends and manage to have 2 static without problems on both my main & alt .

Stop barricading yourself to new/old player that willing to learn (you might find some golden seed around of it) , if your Data center is just bad for socialize then move on find other data center that fits you around . ( and yeah "player that willing to learn" not player that asking for nerf on some content because he/she can't clear it with pugs )

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Originally Posted by Mariel_Crystallie

Up until now I still have an active social LS & FC that recruiting players for helping them )

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Is it that hard to believe that wat ur saying isn't the norm for a lot of people. Like I have 200 people on my friends list and I live in the pf. For one they have to be interested raids and extremes are nitch content. For two they have to be good dps even doing 3k dps is a hard find. Then they have to be dedicated people say all the time they play for fun and fun for a lot of people isn't wiping for hours til u get it right. Stop acting like everyone has people to summon at their beck and call. No nerf on shiyru doesn't change the fact pugs can be just awful sometimes

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

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like I said , find a good data center that fits you . as for me Elemental fits me a lot and I found so many good people around , and yes Elemental data center PF/RF/DF mostly doing fine. if you guys keep playing victim like this nothing is gonna change... *there's always a service called "server transfer"*

If you can't handle pugs stop pugging find a friends , If you can't find friends for play on MMO Games start pugging . If you can't do both of it stop playing MMO-genre , simple isn't? duh... once again it's called MMORPG for some reason , not solo RPG