No more BACKSTABBING & BETRAYAL

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I've been playing with some people since 2005 when we were in the same LS in ffxi and they still don't have housing and gil permissions lol

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You sir are an example of a responsible fc leader. In my opinion ONE person should control admin housing options (e.g. Demo, relinquish, etc.) and that person should be the fc leader and only the fc leader. Gil can be made again, but housing is finite.

Gonna be honest, the fact you invested that much gil and time into fulfilling this supposed friend's requests (and that of his GF and other friend), and that it amounted to so much - is a huge red flag to me. You were being used. I know how much that can hurt and how disappointing it can be, especially if you'd considered them a friend. Some people have no shame.

The stupidest part is that what he stole isn't even that much gil. All in all I feel very sad for you OP, but don't forget that there are still people out there who can be trusted. What he did was horrible and you did not deserve that but what's done is done and in the end it's just something in a game. Good luck, I hope karma will bite him in the ass.

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Originally Posted by Anienai

100 Gil your "friend" is a lalafell.

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I feel like you actually hate the people behind an in game race.

I wonder what their names are.

Our of curiosity, what does his girlfriend think of all this? Surely if she's a decent human being she disapproves.

I surely hope you had a talk with them afterwards and kicked them out of the FC.
As others have said, the solution would have been to change privileges as soon as you got the house.

In all honesty you should have removed the powers before logging out after he secured the house you wanted. Never put trust in strangers on the internet; no matter how much you think you trust them they will prove you wrong.

All the officers in my FC are personal friends I actually know IRL and even then I limit the power they have very tightly.

It's unfortunate that it happened to you. Let it be a valuable lesson, though - betrayal is often so horrible because you do not expect it. Never assume that you know everything about someone you only know online. You can spend time playing games with someone for years only for them to turn around and stab you in the back over something very trivial. It's easy for people to be manipulative in an environment where they can safely sit back and take the time to say the 'perfect' things to earn somebody else's trust.

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Originally Posted by Venat_Nitelord

The Method is to add a confirmation message a timed one like a ready check or party invite if the FC master didn't click on yes or the time has ran out other fc members who have the right to relocate or take fc gil will not be able too. It's a background check routine that only applies to other ranks except FC masters. This Check can be optional the FC leader decides that.

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So if I understand correctly, anyone that has permission to move FC house or take Gil will still need further approval from FC master correct?

To be honest, I don't think this is a solution.
If you gave someone rights to do something, then why would they need further approval from you?

The way I would fix this, there should be a token that you give to any FC member that let them withdraw Gil or move FC house. Depends on the number of tokens you give them, that is the number of time they can do it.

This gives you more control over how many times people can move your FC house or take Gil. And it doesn't require you to be online for approval.
If you ask someone to move FC house you will give them 1 token only to do so.

The token should be untradable once the player receives them and has a time limit of 24h. If time expires the token should be unusable (Just like eternal bond invitations).
To move the FC house, there should be 3 different tokens, one for each plot size. This to make sure that they don't move it to the wrong plot or get greedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvkgQGpaQDY

If you had a vocal/written agreement then this might be of help.

http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/a.../246675_v6.jpg

Well as they say, if hindsight was 20/20...

You have my condolences. Sadly you learned the hard way that humans cannot be trusted. None of them can. Not your friends, your family, your loved ones, no one. At the end of the day, we all look out for #1. The difference between us all is the varying amount of restraint, honor, and morals we have. Sadly your "friend" had none of the above.

According to SE, they will be opening up more housing wards in every area, so you may have to wait until then to relocate back to Shirogane. The gil he stole sucks, but you can recoup those losses with time. The real travesty is that it sounds like he got away with it scotch free. I hate it when justice isn't served for such people. But at this point, he's out of your life. Try not to dwell too much on it. Pick up your teeth off the ground, go see a dentist, and move on.

As someone who has watched my last FC get burnt at the steak by a supposed "best friend" situation, I refused to trust anyone but myself when it came to Shirogane. Even against my own bf.

I bought 2 plots, one of them being for the FC I made just days before 4.1 launch after previously mentioned FC fell apart because of that idiotic guild leader trusting too much in a toxic friend. Me? I'm happy not trusting a soul with spending company Gil because at least then I know for a fact where the spending is going.


I can see how your intentions were pure, OPer...But all in all, you should of removed his rank right after he got you that plot. Plain and simple. But, again, I see where you're coming from...

TL;DR: Trust no one.

Square Enix won't give a shit because in situations like this there really isn't anything they can do about it. It's not their faults. It was a mistake purely on your part that humans won't be humans and stab each other in the backs.

To add to the above post (since character limits are a thing), there's someone I met on Gilga during my Shinryu farms that said how just days before 4.1 or so this girl they trusted destroyed their house, their items and took EVERYTHING from them before booking it. And of course SE did nothing because, again, it was their fault for trusting them.

It happens very often and it's very sad...

While indeed it can be prevented, I think it's odd to be for a blame-the-victim policy. Especially when the entire FC can be considered victims of the thief and the mistakes of the leader. People should be able to be held accountable for stealing, whether it can be prevented or not.

It's not stealing though. Giving someone the permission is effectively telling them they can do it, and so they did. It was morally bankrupt and the person who did it is a disgusting piece of filth with no conscience, but the GMs can't police every single bad decision the players make.

Man OP, That blows. Sucks that being so trusting can be met with such utter disrespect, but this is a game and peoples moral compass WILL go out the window. As others have said, DO NOT giver permissions to people you haven't known for at least a couple of years. I have RL friends that I have as tenants in my Shiro house. They wanna place something? sure. As soon as its done, permissions gone. No hard feelings, but I don't feel like getting bent over. Im new to my FC. I do not expect to get permissions to ANYTHING until years have past....if that. As it should be.

I'm still amazed by how many people still trust nobodies found on the Internet. Your case is same as giving Gil permissions to someone and then complain s/he got them all. Oh wait, he did it too...

Did you have a written agreement (in game chat) of what were the conditions for you giving them those rights? If so, have you forwarded those logs to the GMs?

Hm..whats interesting is that some get the gil back that were taken out of the company chest and some not. Maybe its very situational how SE decides.

The lure of a free house, fully stocked chest with items and money brings out the vileness in some people. I'm so sorry you had to go through that. My friends and I went through a similar situation with a former friend, so I can understand fully. We knew the gm's couldn't do anything to help us. All we could do was accept it and go about our way...maybe after telling lots of others close to them what said ex friend did so those that knew them would know they're a snake and couldn't be trusted at all. Live and learn I guess. The only person you can trust is you sadly. Another reason why I wished the whole shared housing thing would go away and instanced single player housing would take over in its stead.

Does his girlfriend know?

I've been betrayed horribly on this game by one of my recruits about 2 years ago now. Still makes me angry to this day.

I understand your frustration and upset, it's really unfortunate your "friend" thought that plot more valuable than your friendship. Unfortunately, your trust is what allowed him access to all he needed to screw you over and there's not much a GM can do to fix that. :(

You may be able to get the FC chest money back but if you allowed the rank t this person to adjust your FC funds, you may not be entitled to that gill back either.

I'm seeing a couple of core issues here that don't parallel real life too well which only serves to amplify this kind of drama.

First, outside of the game, if someone wrongs you, you can call them out by name and alert others to who they are and what they did. Of course, unless you back this up with good evidence and reasons, you can bet it can backfire on you and ruin your reputation instead. Here? Expect to get banned, good evidence and reason or not.

Second, in real groups, people granted powers usually can't use them at will without consequences. For example, a CEO of a company likely has all sorts of powers to spend money and whatnot. What do you think would happen if they decide to blow a bunch of the company's money in a casino? That money might be gone, but you can bet that ex-CEO faced consequences (loss of job, assets, possibly jail time). Here? We apparently lack any form of real review/consequences to encourage people with powers to not abuse them.

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Originally Posted by Taika

Did you have a written agreement (in game chat) of what were the conditions for you giving them those rights? If so, have you forwarded those logs to the GMs?

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yep the GM and supervisor both said that this is not enough proof

thanks everyone for your replies I was happy reading all. I learned my lesson and It was my mistake. I really didn't want to share this but GM insisted that I write here and said if I have a way to solve it I should write it down. I liked the Token solution from one of you guys and wish you all great adventures

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Originally Posted by Venat_Nitelord

thanks everyone for your replies I was happy reading all. I learned my lesson and It was my mistake. I really didn't want to share this but GM insisted that I write here and said if I have a way to solve it I should write it down. I liked the Token solution from one of you guys and wish you all great adventures

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And from now on don't give anyone the rights to get into your company chest besides yourself. ;)

I won't be so hard on you b/c it really is a terrible situation. But sadly they aren't going to help you b/c you trusted him and gave him the power to take gil out and move the house. You gave him the keys to the kingdom. Take this as a lesson learned. What you should've done is count your blessings he did do what you asked him to do when the servers came back on. Right then though, you should've taken his powers away. Even if you did trust him, you can sleep well at night knowing he couldn't do what he did. Now you know how the housing market works. It's cut throat. Only trust yourself when it comes to housing.

As the others have stated, use better judgement (in the future). People are fake enough irl. On the internet... well that's obviously worse. It's a sad situation for sure, and an even sadder society, but that's how it is.