I'm not sure dumb is the word I'd pick - other games that have similar types of things the AI behaviour is different depending on how you set the NPC. If players are having issues with them on independent rank 1, levelling the other tactics up isn't going to help. They are already pretty tough without bonuses to hp or defense, and the dps isn't that bad either.Quote:
Originally Posted by razzgrizz3
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10-12-2017, 04:27 PMLozza
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10-12-2017, 04:37 PMkikix12
This is a new, trial run system. The AI will most likely be tweaked so that they actually play properly. It really shouldn't be too hard, seeing as most things are approached in the same way by players from battle to battle.
Who knows, if this will be liked and players will want the developers to consider it a major content, it's possible we would get a gambit system similar to Final Fantasy XII, and that was an AI very well done. Collecting all the gambits would be fun too, and a decent gold sink all at once. -
10-12-2017, 04:51 PMClint_BeastwoodI LOVED the gambit system, would very much welcome that. Also, FFXI had a decent system with the Trusts, though the battle system in XI allowed for clunkier AI to go relatively unnoticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikix12
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10-12-2017, 06:05 PMMattiux
Go in as a tank, was a piece of cake
The Dps always targetting your mob, this must be the tank's heaven xD
Jokes aside, we should investigate how a levelled AI works, if this level one chaotic behaviour wants to picture the lack of experience by your team (growing step by step) i think i'll be good.
The feeling of growth by your trainee is part of the content i guess.
The only think i'm concerned is the lack of purpose, levelling very low alts aside i'll feel i'll end by levelling their level only by the old means. -
10-12-2017, 09:17 PMAlleoI did and either they killed one add and before I clicked it again they went back to the boss, or sometimes they just completely ignored my commands..also not sure how it should be possible to do the first boss properly with them. You can only send the whole team to one enemy and the flames will come out of different directions and if the thank has aggro on boss, it will follow him too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasrat
In the end this was not truly fun and I am not really sure why we have that feature at all..at least we need to get way more different commands to make it feel better..let us send DDs to adds while the tank stays on the boss (as a example). -
10-12-2017, 10:35 PMDoki
Went in as tank with conjurer, archer, & pugilist. Some observations:
1. They will stand there and get gaffled by the giant tonberries unless you run far and break line of sight.
2. The conjurer isn't gonna take care of 100% of the healing. Bring a stack of potions.
3. Their dead bodies warp to you when you run far enough away from them.
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10-12-2017, 10:58 PMSophia-Mooncat
I've run Wanderer's Palace a couple of times on Bard, and it is just a matter of killing the small adds immediately when they spawn (only takes 2 hits) and then burning down the boss before the large adds get everyone. It would be nice if the tank didn't target the large adds at the end and stayed in the center, so I think they should fix that, but otherwise I feel like I shouldn't expect the tank recruit to do all of the work when I am the commander. Their job is to get hate, and mine is to kill stuff.
Anyway, I am sure they will tweak it in the future and hopefully add more dungeons. -
10-13-2017, 05:50 PMChocolysI've done for the first time today Wanderer's Palace. I went in as a WHM with "dumb" rank 1 AI team members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inuk9
The way I've killed the Tonberry King is basically just:
- Engage team on Tonberry King
- Run around avoiding being "Heavy" cursed (Esuna on yourself if necessary), while casting one single Aero on each of the little tonberries and let them all die from it progressively.
- Don't bother dispelling "Heavy" on teammates, just cast a heal on them if necessary.
Doing this tactic, one of my dps died during the fight and I swiftcast-raised him. Then the tank died, I ignored that and went all dps focus on the Tonberry King who was almost dead (maybe around 10% HP left).
Boom. Victory. :) -
10-13-2017, 06:02 PMAgeofwar
Well considering I have done The Wanderer's Palace since 2.0 were the tactic was to kill the add when they popped until the last set. This tactic has since changed to just burning the boss.
when I did this with my GC squad, after 3 attempts of trying to burn the boss I when back to the 2.0 way of doing the boss and got though 1st time -
10-13-2017, 06:27 PMKisaiTenshiI've only tried the squadron version of the dungeons once so far and while I think "kill the adds" is working as intended, I find the AI is not quite smart enough to try and group them and bring them to the tank, hence they run all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperZay
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10-13-2017, 06:28 PMcradant
all u ned to do is use disengage option and they will follow u insted of just stand there yes healer wont heal u intill go bk to engage but this way u can force move them u have the option just use it
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10-13-2017, 09:21 PMKerwin
Don't have ranged dps. Go in as a healer. Tank does a much better job not trying to fight ranged aggro. Last boss is still finicky.
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10-13-2017, 10:24 PMFynlarKilling adds is not always the proper way of handling a mechanic.Quote:
They are programmed to do mechanics properly and you are supposed to kill adds, not ignore them.
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10-15-2017, 07:12 AMBacentExactly. And I'm seeing other people in the FC I'm in, as well in shout chats, stating the same stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar