Job's I'd like to see.

I want the Viking!

I know that the Warrior already uses the Viking style, but we really lack DDs with heavy Weapons. Great Swords and Axes are tank weapons, so i would like to see a melee DD with a giant Hammer! we lack blunt weapons too, btw. so i guess that alone is enough excuse to bring the Viking, despite we already have the Warrior o.o/

Hmm, new jobs.....

Chemist....it'd need a new name in order to avoid confusion with Alchemist. I'd still stick to my concept for a bazooka-user here.

Dancer....getting the impression that no matter what it is, what role it is, or what it can do, it's still going to upset people. One of the few jobs that could potentially fit every role, and with Yoshi's reasoning of delaying the job because he wanted it "just right", I could see that this is still a job that would take more time.

Beastmaster....the problem is people keep looking to FFXI, and as Samurai proved, that's not what we'd likely get, especially given the current state of the pet control system for the ARC trio. If anything for this job, I'd want less of a tamer and more of Tarzan, wildly swinging a pair of clubs while using a ram horn to temporarily call in beasts for attacks. This would also tie in any other desires for a Berserker-like job that Warrior doesn't already provide.

Geomancer....I still see the Hingan Geomancers from the AST questline like the Ishgardian Astrologians from ARR: not what we'd get, because in theme (not looking at the placeholder stuff), they are nothing more than the Conjurer class with a fresh coat of paint. If a Geomancer job was to be brought in, I'd still expect it to revolve around a theme of magnetism or anything that would be able to isolate their theme from that of Conjurer and White Mage.

Necromancer....pretty sure Yoshi mentioned wanting it, although the Mhach storyline kinda makes them look like just BLMs on steroids. Not only would they have to be designed to avoid that factor, but also be palatable to places where the game is sold that has laws against depictions of the undead.

Blue Mage....nah, still don't see it happening. Even though I've made multiple concepts for it, I'm still convinced it won't happen given not only how most people seem to want it, but also Yoshi's multiple statements explaining why it simply couldn't happen.

At this point, I'd be much happier seeing completely new jobs rather than the past lives that a better portion of players seem to want to cling to. Tradition is good, but it should never interfere with genuine innovation.

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I don't care if it ends up being a healer but it'll be more interesting and fun as a DPS.

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Everything will be "more interesting and fun" as a DPS. People tend to like being DPS more. That's exactly why the DPS queues are many times longer than healers and tanks.

Healers and tanks want some high-profile and unique classes too.

As for TP healer, the TP in this game have a "sweet spot" where the output is the same as input. As in, where using the skill that uses that TP will not make the TP bar go up or down. If the healer would depend on TP for the basic heals primarily, with only few bigger effects, it's possible to make a healer with unlimited healing sustainability. If you go barely over that "sweet spot", you get a healer with pretty fixed amount of healing casts instead. Adding some MP-based skills to the global cooldown will give that extra time for TP regeneration, like is the case for Red Mage. Going under it, and the healer can provide standard heals indefinitely, all the while regenerating TP lost for bigger skills here or there. In that respect, it is much easier to balance than an MP oriented healer, since you can make long, gruesome battles that need a lot of healing over a long time and the healer will still manage to keep up. Except, such battles would be far more demanding on other healers, so it's not like they'll be made...

ENOUGH DPS for the time being like seriously...
Dancer as healer and even though Geomancer was mentioned in the Astro Questline i feel like it would be too similar.
Tank i guess can be anything, blu or Beastmaster maybe or how about something never introduced yet to a FF game, what that can be i have no ideas.. lol

All I want is a Chemist / Salve Maker healing job with the Mix ability.

I like see beast master with a whip beast master could get permission for beastmen that are good to tame they choose beast that they use for mounts such as the drake I away thought how beastmaster could be apply that the size of beast set role of the beast
small like rabbit and squrriel are range dps
medium like couerl and tiger drake aswell melee dps
large like tricetops to mammoth tanks

geomancer could be a healer use elemental to heal

blue mage I can see this happen as tank job if all the spell are more use to keep the blue mage tank ability going. it could be dodge center tank where it magic help increase it chance to dodge attacks.
with blue magic spell come for beastmen and the like the blue mage could start out with zero magic have spell that increase it mana for every time it dodge mobs attacks and it spell could increase it mana supply

the beastmen could be the blue mage teacher

Hi this is Tyrian. I have been trying to join in this discussion for a while now, 3 days in fact and my suggestions and comments appear to be being ignored. I have quoted people and mentioned in lots of posts that I require help in balancing the skill sets of the classes. But haven't been replied to once. Please stop doing this because I seriously and genuinely need the aid.

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Best way to do it, is to build up the concepts you have thus far, and post them (perhaps in a separate thread for each job concept). People will then give feedback and throw in their ideas. If you can't finalise everything don't worry, if you create the foundation, people will build up the house with you from there. But without a foundation, how can we help you? Plus, the FFXIV forums are garbage and there's no direct message system and sharing personal information COULD (and probably WILL) get you banned from the forums (though they seem to be fine with Discord info), so our hands are tied for collaboration outside of posting the foundations of your idea.

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Blue Mage....nah, still don't see it happening. Even though I've made multiple concepts for it, I'm still convinced it won't happen given not only how most people seem to want it, but also Yoshi's multiple statements explaining why it simply couldn't happen.

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Learn is a tough nut to crack but there are a metric ton of ways to do it. I've seen a lot of good concepts on the forums, I think what is stopping them is Blue is wildy popular and how people expect the class to behave too widly varied.

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I'd love to see SE move forward with Traits helping define and separate classes so that they could make more jobs out of others. Still waiting on Ranger or Musketeer/Corsair :(

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this. make classes branch out like scholar/summoner

mnk will be mnk and staff using monk varient

bard and ranger

mch and corsair/pirate

dark and sworddancer(dps)

samurai and tank samurai?

Paladin and Blademaster (dual wielding sword dps)

warrior and berserker (dual wield axes dps)

rdm and runefencer (magic tank)

drg and lancer? (1handed spear + shield tank) oh and give drg a wyvern! i miss my FFXI wyvern :(

nin and thief(instead of ninjutsu they get more abilities like trick attacks, sneak attacks like FFXI that transfer aggro and debuffs)

I very much want dancer and for it to be a healer. I like the idea of it being a healer/ranged DPS hybrid that uses chakrams or fans as their primary weapon, but I would also be interested in the lore behind the job. Thinking about the job specific gear they would develop for it gets me all giddy.

I absolutely love the idea of a Blue Mage. Tanking with a spell caster sounds just awesome.

Would the Blue Mage wear armor? Or would the Blue Mage use spells to reflect physical and magic damage?

Awesome idea!

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oh and give drg a wyvern! i miss my FFXI wyvern :(

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Considering the lore in FFXIV that Dragoons are dragon hunters who absolutely hate dragons. It's unlikely they'd have a dravanian companion like the wyvern.

Wildbill thank you and actually, yes. I have already designed a conglomeration of cloth and light armor that is in my opinion very stylish as well as catchy towards the lore I've developed. And I understand that many ideas for the same class may vary from other ideas. And I am willing to listen to all and discuss as well as defend critiques of my system. Mainly however if you wish to see my main concept as well as lore please visit this link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/m...86305-wildbill Leave a comment if you like. And thank you all for allowing me to know your considering my opinion in this thread.

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Considering the lore in FFXIV that Dragoons are dragon hunters who absolutely hate dragons. It's unlikely they'd have a dravanian companion like the wyvern.

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Actually it is quite possible given the ending of Heavensward's main scenario as dragons and Ishgardians are contemplating recombining their individual races in peace. It won't be easy but quite possible in the near future of Coerthas and Dravania that wyverns or even young dragons will combine their strengths to give rise to even stronger military forces and Dragoons will become not Dragon Hunters, but Dragon Partners.

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I very much want dancer and for it to be a healer.

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My concept of Dancer class is a hybrid of DPS and Healer because Dancing during times of war purely seems irrelevant given the major problems of Eorzea however it is possible that Dancing by lore could be a front for not only merry making but intelligence, sabotage and possibly assassination. the Dances of Dancers being mystical support techniques gathered from across Hydaelyn to heal, buff, support, and debuff their target enemies. I'm developing a new look for these Dancers that incorporates many cultural ideas and not just Spanish culture as was done with FFXI. They also will be using Quarterstaves that can be altered between attack and healing stances. Attack being used as Staff or the Three Sectioned Staff form which would put them in the same category as Lancers, Conjurers, and Pugilists. Your Fan idea could be interesting but I'd prefer more info before altering my key base for my own rendition.

Hello Paladinleeds. I personally wish to thank you for responding to my posts. But my quote reads 'snip' yet 'snip' was not one word I mentioned. Could you please tell me what that means. I'm new to forums so I'm a little out of my element here. Thank you for your patience.

[IMG]HELP!!!! ME!!! IT HURTS SO MUCH!!!! MAKE IT STOP HURTING!!!!!!!![/IMG]

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Considering the lore in FFXIV that Dragoons are dragon hunters who absolutely hate dragons. It's unlikely they'd have a dravanian companion like the wyvern.

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consider lore now that dragoon are now at peace with dravanian yes I more likely to happen now

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Hello Paladinleeds. I personally wish to thank you for responding to my posts. But my quote reads 'snip' yet 'snip' was not one word I mentioned. Could you please tell me what that means. I'm new to forums so I'm a little out of my element here. Thank you for your patience.

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If someone makes a quote and replaces it with "snip", it means that they respond to that particular person in whole, but replaced the content to make the post look shorter.

It's the same as on Reddit, Twitter, Youtube and the like, if someone writes:
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Also, by editing your post, you can avoid the 1000 character limit. Please do so in place of making multiple posts one after another in the future.

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consider lore now that dragoon are now at peace with dravanian yes I more likely to happen now

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Yeah, this paves the way for the possibility at least. It would be neat to have different "specs" for each job, or maybe upgrade jobs to a step above that.

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Yeah, this paves the way for the possibility at least. It would be neat to have different "specs" for each job, or maybe upgrade jobs to a step above that.

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They decided that the class/job system is a failure (personally I just think that they simply fail to understand how to make use of it, but whatever), so adding another step is pretty much impossible. They would love to remove the classes altogether if not for the fact that it would require a lot of work. Instead, they bring nothing but new jobs that do not come out from any class. You can't expect to see another "class" in the future. Only stand-alone jobs.

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They decided that the class/job system is a failure (personally I just think that they simply fail to understand how to make use of it, but whatever), so adding another step is pretty much impossible. They would love to remove the classes altogether if not for the fact that it would require a lot of work. Instead, they bring nothing but new jobs that do not come out from any class. You can't expect to see another "class" in the future. Only stand-alone jobs.

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Oh, I know its highly unlikely, but nothing is beyond fixing. They probably could if they wanted to, but they did deem it as a bit of a failure. I was just saying it'd be nice. The class/job system had potential, but it ended up being a mess.

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Oh, I know its highly unlikely, but nothing is beyond fixing. They probably could if they wanted to, but they did deem it as a bit of a failure. I was just saying it'd be nice. The class/job system had potential, but it ended up being a mess.

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Yes. Unfortunately, whoever was responsible for making the job branches for Arcanist did so while he was drunk or after few sleepless nights, because making a DPS branch into a healer is blatantly stupid. And that added a LOT of negatives to the class/job system.

I wish they would actually "upgrade" the system, so that it's more than a rename with some new skills, making it pretty much mandatory. But that would take actual effort and thought. Something that Square Enix have no interest in. This game was supposed to be based on Tactics roughly, but they have proven to have intention of removing every single thing that made Tactics what it is...except for the lone fact of one character being able to do it all. Well, the game is still entertaining, but it does leave a bad taste. It may be because they apparently end up funneling majority of the money from FFXIV into OTHER projects, using it as nothing more than "cash cow" that shouldn't be spent on more than necessary.

in 5.0 there doing away with class and replace with Jobs

Now that I'm thinking about it, I'll add a few more.

Viking: Shortspear/Harpoon and shield, far more aggressive use of the shield as well as use of lightning magic for damage, water magic for crowd controlling effects (draw-ins, etc.) and ice magic for defensive cooldowns. Maybe some lore that would give some better lore to the origins of the Sea Wolf Roegadyns.

Green Mage: This would bring both a caster tank and a hammer-wielder. Maybe something that could tie it to Dravania pre-Dragonsong War.

Charioteer: Something like the Bravely Second class that could be built around alternating weapon types in combat.

Juggler: I don't care how they fit this in, but I would gladly pay good money to see this happen.

Agent: Something that would play like Saboteur in Rift with a more spy-based storyline to it.

I like see some job for preview ffxiv like beast master blue mage and puppetmaster and geomancer I think they doable unlike some do.

I actually would really like a Mystic Knight job, since it's one of my favorites from the series. Of course, some sort of Drain III Blade skill would be on my wishlist, since that's a pretty common tactic for the job historically. Also using debuff sword magic could be an interesting dynamic.

I do think adding at least one more tank and healer each to the roster might help balance things out. The Chemist healer idea seems pretty solid to me, or Geomancer could be very viable. For tanks, perhaps the Ravager job from Tactics A2, or maybe Templar?

Alright I know I said I'd keep it a secret but I can't any longer. The fourth class I've come up with is...Gambler! I was really inspired when I came across Setzer while doing research for my class renditions for Blue Mage, Necromancer and Dancer. Basically Gambler is a nod to FFXV's villain as his overall design struck me for my rendition of the Job. It uses darts for its main weapon, and Deck's as the, almost completely forgotten, secondary tool. It also deals with minor time based attacks.

with adventure squadron and the new minion plus ability have your chocobo out this could be good step for beastmaster to introduce in 5.0 and other pet jobs it also mean that summoner could be get improvements too

I need to go to sleep, but my anxiety is through the roof.

my personal wish would be

1 dps blu mage - majority of the class design straight from ffxi...yup copy paste please.

2 bst - improve pet ui and pet responsiveness and movement speed significantly. Also ENSURE there are moves for pet to obtain and maintain insta and complete aggro are in place and are especially effective if pet dies and is raised again.....soooooooo use "growl" from wow or snarl fom ffxi just make it actually effective unlike our current smn loltitantankwhatajoke.

**also pet needs to continue fighting if the master dies.. until it is legit killed not just vanish. and need a powerful heal for any pet or item to be used etc.

3 ranger- all out ranger please. no querky , sluggish and clunky mch and def not comparable to a bard in here lol omg se O.o

A viking tank job with a hammer and a shield. Full-on blunt damage and some thunder visual effects on abilities to make it a bit flashy like other tanks are. Something that would make you feel like Thor. I'd love that. It could also use its shield for more offensive purpose unlike PLD.

I'd also like to see a bo staff job as either a tank or a DPS. Again, full-on blunt damage with some nice martial arts moves, maybe mixing in some kicks and flips while fighting with the staff.

As for healers, I don't have a lot of inspiration but Dancer or some kind of Necromancer would be fun. Chemist too. They could also use the Performer from Bravely Default which could both sing and dance for its abilities and spells. Some kind of martial arts based healer would be nice as well, using their bare hands to heal people with Chi and having a melee DPS combo and maybe some kind of Hadouken ranged move. Of course the healing wouldn't require to be at melee range of your allies, even if it's with their hands.

I think puppeteer could be a job that could be tank and you switch between which equipment the puppet would able use

with beast master could be dps.

my belief that SE should introduce 1 to 2 job for ffxi and one complete new jobs that come straight for ffxiv

why are we cause you anxiety velaethra

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1 dps blu mage - majority of the class design straight from ffxi...yup copy paste please.o

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I don't know about copy and paste but have you taken a good look at my design for the class? https://tf-lover.deviantart.com/art/...tory-705876064

Beastmaster axe and shield tank or pseudo-dps (OT?), depending on what pet they have summoned. BST takes on aspects of the pet, and the pet gets stats proportional to the character.
They would definitely need to fix summoner as a pet job as well to make it work, though.

Mimic

Totally broken, but I wanna see it.

I want Chemist so badly it hurts.

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I want Chemist so badly it hurts.

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I am so with you on that. Chemist / Salve-Maker or whatever they decide to call it seems like it would fit perfectly coming from the island nation of Thavnair.

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See Bard and Machinist for those desired classes.

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ranger would be much like samurai. offer 0 party support for big dps. So no... do not see bard/machinist