Request: Please tone down PoTD Solo 181+. My experience and partial rant.

Bumping this back up because I would really like to see this issue addressed. This isn't some random complaint filed by people who are bad or only tried once or twice and failed- this is from people who have made multiple dedicated attempts to clear the content. It's just not possible. Scouring the potd boards on the official lodestone page, you'll see a majority of people get stopped at 160, and only two(?) who have ever made it past 190. Nobody's gotten to 200. I am all for difficult content, but not impossible.

I just wonder why in all that interviews, the potd doesn't take place in any question. "Piloted" interviews or I do missed the good piece of the cake?
I just saw a talk about a new one coming, but nothing about the difficulty level of the current one.

What it will happen if S-E tune up the level your char can achieve inside POTD to 70? Maybe a BLM with Foul or a DRK with TBN will be able to clear the content up to floor 200?

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I just wonder why in all that interviews, the potd doesn't take place in any question. "Piloted" interviews or I do missed the good piece of the cake?
I just saw a talk about a new one coming, but nothing about the difficulty level of the current one.

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Probably because most people just try it with a group which is clearable thus the solo part is probably not on their mind. Its just sad that SE does not do something about it. They have the data and can see that nobody cleared it solo after all the time and on top of that there are some complains about this on the forum.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

What it will happen if S-E tune up the level your char can achieve inside POTD to 70?

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Not much, truthfully, unless it also ups the aetherpool values.

The thing is standard trinity design with unavoidable autoattacks that at some point simply hit too hard. Pox and the floor effect that disables auto-healing only further that issue, they both are fairly trivial when you got GCD heals but require a lot of pots to remedy when you don't. There is nothing you can do about any of that other than pomanders and pomanders are RNG - If you don't have the right pomanders when the luring trap hits, GG, and you cannot have traps visible/disabled at all times unless you get real lucky, so the only thing you can do is crawl along the walls and hope no trap is laying there. Not even mentioning mimics.

It is "difficult" in the same way as giving level one marmots and ladybugs the damage output of level 50 mobs is "difficult" for newbies. It's "difficult" in the same way as Lakshmi randomly not providing the needed Vril is "difficult". It really isn't "difficult", it's just stupid design.

And there really isn't much to be done about that either. Up the stats so that you don't have to rely on RNG on any job and you'll trivialize the whole thing, because it's already mechanically as trivial as said level 1 marmot, it just got its stats cranked up and those selfsame stats are what prevent clearing. Guarantee people get the pomanders they need and you need to re-do the whole place to not be random which goes against the point of it. Don't guarantee the pomanders and it will keep boiling down to RNG as now. There is no good solution to the issue, hence why I provocatively sent the designer back to the drawing board on page one already.

It simply isn't designed as a solo challenge, the combat follows the same design template as any normal group dungeon, except with the vain hope of winning the pomander lottery. And I'm still salty that I fell for this dev troll even once, thinking the floors above 100 would be any different than the floors before and would have unique mechanics or anything more engaging than super-powered level one marmots. I should have known better.

Monday morning bump for the devs/mods to see. At least a "we'll look into an issue" would be nice to have. There are lots of good ideas here to adjust getting the achievement, and they don't even need to be taken to any kind of extreme to make it more feasible.

I commend your dedication to this, Lou.

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I commend your dedication to this, Lou.

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I am! I know the issue isn't something that really affects any sort of gameplay and it can be completely ignored but then...why have it?

Possible fixes for this have included

• Increasing the amount of gold chests and decreasing mimic spawns in later floors
• Decreasing the damage and hp of enemies while solo
• Allowing aetherpool stats to go above 99/99
• Allowing players to reach level 70 and use level 70 abilities in there
• Increasing the amount of pomanders that can be held by a solo player
• Increasing the amount of time for completion on later floors
• Making a specific solo mode (perhaps with the aforementioned fixes)
• Removing the achievement

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I actually love some of these ideas. Personally I actually don't find palace of the dead that difficult to solo as redmage. Its just the RNG of pomanders on the later floors is a bit silly. Yeah Soloing palace is still not an easy task by any means but the fact that hitting 200 atm solo is a REDMAGE only Dice roll is a bit silly. Personally I think palace should add items that each class can use specifically maybe? im not sure. I like the solo specific mode. I dont think the achievement should be removed necessarily thats kind of silly theres no point to. Maybe the new deep dungeon will be connected? idk. I think honestly all you'd need to do is that if you queue solo remove the time limit. It would let you play more carefully and conserve pomanders a bit.

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is... that a screenshot instead of the quote tag? you are blowing my mind ^^

i got 2 ideas.

one is that it saves your progress every tenth floor just like in 1-100 and after a wipe at floor 184 you are able to start over again at floor 180. sure, this makes the thing much more easy, just bang your head against it until you finish it. however, it's not much different from any other content in the game and it's still harder than unsynching raid turns for example. it also solves the problem with the disconnects.

another idea was that you can buy pomanders with your high-score points at every tenth floor. taking out some RNG, but at the cost of your place on the board ^^

Someone on reddit posted that they have reached 193 as a redmage solo but died to some traps. After all the time it seems they are only the third solo person to get that far and even those other two seemingly never reached beyond 194. The problem for that player was the sheer bad luck with RNG. Stepping in too many traps that they could not see and having barely any pomander anymore. They also said that you probably wont be even able to survive floor 197 without a steel pomander since all monsters there will kill you otherwise just too fast. So on one hand you need all the luck in not stepping into traps (which would still be kinda a good risk in the palace and okay) but also having all the right pomanders on certain floors..Also they nearly run out of time on boss 190.

So the time and the pomanders seems to be quite problematic but those can be changed so I hope they do that.

Hi! ^that would be me. It was really unfortunate! I even had a decent shot at clearing if I got some steels... if I finished clearing 193 normally, I would be able to maybe sneak around the bicephaluses on 194-196 to pick off wraiths and dragons (and hopefully in the process gain some steels) and then use rage to clear 2 out of the last 3 floors (or maybe use them earlier with fortune to try to get some poms). Having 2 rage and 3 serenity was huge! I don't know when I'll get that kind of luck again.

But, speaking of luck and the factors it plays in POTD, I share some concerns with OP.
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First let's talk about mobs and poms. Starting from 187-189, most mobs simply cannot be killed without using poms. Claws and worms require Steel (and hope for no autoattack crits after tanking worm enrage, which can also crit I believe), while dragons are impossible. The only mob that can be killed without poms are the chimeras. While there are ways to get around these floors (alteration + chimera hunting comes to mind), having to use a Steel to clear a floor is asking for a lot, seeing as you need around 9 minutes of Steel for the 190 boss. On the final set of floors, you have to start avoiding the Iron Corse patrols, which can 1 shot you from range with an ability + autoattack crit combo.

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Past 194, Bicephaluses start to appear in rooms, which also do too much damage to handle without Steel and can be impossible to sneak around based on their positioning. This is most likely why there are other failed runs around 194 due to a lack of poms. And don't forget about 197+ where every room will be filled with Gourmands, Knights, and Corses, none of which can be killed without Steel.

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While dependence on poms is definitely an issue, there are some other RNG factors that really should be taken into consideration. One of my biggest gripes is Critical Hits from monsters. Starting from 171+, even if your healing is on-point, certain mobs can one shot you with a crit (without Steel, of course). One of the biggest offenders is the Sasquatch (yes, unbuffed), which can hit you for around 13K with an ability that can happen at the same time as an auto. For this reason, I also try to avoid other mobs with such abilities, including Wamouracampas and Archeosaurs on 181-189, but sometimes you don't have a choice. I know dodging monster skills is a thing as well, but personally I believe both critical hits and dodging should be removed from monster skills. The overall "DPS" of the monster would effectively be the same (if not higher), except without 1-shot RNG (also, while abilities interrupting casts can be predicted, critting autoattacks interrupting casts is not cool)

One other huge RNG issue is the amount of kills it takes to unlock the Cairn of Passage (why is it even random?). On average it's around 6 kills without flight and 3-4 with. However, with bad luck, it can take upward of 9 kills without flight or around 6 with. On 181+, monsters take around 1 minute each to kill, so any 9 kill floors pretty much mean you HAVE to use flights or rages to speed up the remaining floors. I remember one run from OP where the first two floors on 181-189 were both 9 kill floors, taking up 18 minutes and screwing him over for the rest of the set.

Finally, to discuss a bit about POTD solo balancing outside the RDM world. Due to class design, I feel it would be incredibly hard to balance 200 to be clearable by all classes solo without either 1) making the feat too easy for some while just passable by others or 2) doing class-specific balancing in POTD only (which is highly unlikely). An example of #2 would be something like giving a special version of sustaining potion to melee classes that heals more, or a version that also gives a damage buff to healers. However, there would still need to be more fine-tuning as the difference between casters like BLM and RDM is night and day (BLM is easily the worst POTD class due to being immobile).

@magicalLoli: thanks for the input. just for future reference you can post, and then go back to edit your post to be as long as you want. It's bizarre but yea.

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I do understand the concern about making it to easy for some jobs, and I don't think it needs to be nerfed to the point that all jobs should breeze by...but even just minor adjustments would seriously help ALL of them.

Ohh, thanks. I was wondering how everyone else had posts that long LOL.

And wait a second, your name is a bit familiar... were you by any chance that Kalahan fangirl from DN? (also, Mayu says hi!)

@MagicalLoli: Haha nice that you found your way here. :D And good to read of some more experiences. The more that I read from the last few floors the more I am certain that its truly impossible to clear this solo. Not only would you need so much RNG to even get all the pomanders that you need but the timer is also a big problem and the damage that those monsters seems to do are way too much. (And lets not forget the beauty that is the random respawning of monsters..its still something that annoys me since this takes so much away from trying to be tactical or careful..you can do all you want but you still cant do anything against something spawning directly on top of you or the exit..)

Hopefully some of the devs will read this and if they dont plan to change anything for this than I hope that the next deep dungeon will be improved (and truly solo-able if they include that) and hopefully a bit more tactical and less RNG..

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I am! I know the issue isn't something that really affects any sort of gameplay and it can be completely ignored but then...why have it?

Possible fixes for this have included

• Increasing the amount of gold chests and decreasing mimic spawns in later floors
• Decreasing the damage and hp of enemies while solo
• Allowing aetherpool stats to go above 99/99
• Allowing players to reach level 70 and use level 70 abilities in there
  
• Increasing the amount of pomanders that can be held by a solo player
• Increasing the amount of time for completion on later floors
• Making a specific solo mode (perhaps with the aforementioned fixes)
• Removing the achievement

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One thing that I've been racking my brain about is how do you adjust solo PoTD without ruining PoTD as a whole? Because yes, a number of what Louvain suggested are good...along the lines of what I had posted. However, some of those type of adjustments affect everything about it (light party, etc). So my big question that I wanted to find an answer for is: How do you adjust solo PoTD ONLY, without touching and adjusting the experience of PoTD 2-4 player, which much of the community will say is well balanced, and I think it is.

I've said in a few posts and in my original that I feel the scale of difficulty for enemies, all the way up to 199, is fine. I had an opportunity with one of my light party groups where my other teammates had wiped on 196 and I was left standing, so I had to raise them and open the portal solo...and granted I had Strength/Steel, I honestly did not find it impossible to solo that floor specifically. So I would hate for them to nerf the enemies and make it too easy.

So here is an idea I would like to propose: Add special solo-specific abilities and, as Louvain said above, increase our amount of pomanders held by a solo player. I think these two should be easy to implement, and I'll explain below.


Special Solo-Specific Abilities


A big issue with the other 14 jobs that aren't called RDM is that they are missing key abilities that can push them to the high levels. RDM has "almost" the full toolkit to reach 200, but there is still an enormous amount of luck required (duh). So, I would like to propose that you add in special solo-specific abilities that can be used by all jobs, and only when you run solo.

You guys have already introduced the "orders" menu option for squadron, which only show up when you do command missions, as well as the duty specific abilities like in Lakshimi, so I would like to think adding special abilities to PoTD Solo might not be too crazy.

The abilities I would propose would be (all OGCD, by the way):

- Stun (30s~ recast, close range or long range)
- Silence (30s~ recast)
- Stoneskin (short recast, but only useable outside of command)
- 50%-60% HP Cure (15-20s~ recast)
- Melee Range powerful attack (5-8s~ casting time, would do 60%+ damage to a single enemy, and can only be used in combat)

Stun

It's pure utility. There are many times as a RDM that I wish I had one useful CC option, because buying time even for one GCD makes the difference between living and dying. Also, there are a few notable enemies who have DPS checks, so having a stun handy can save you from what was suppose to be a light party DPS check, and not punishing to a solo player who will more than likely not make it to the DPS check.

Running a job like MNK, who has stuns, definitely makes getting through the floors easier, because you are buying time for CDs to come down, and you get that extra tick of Sustaining Potion.

Silence

There is really only one major use for this, and it's to stop the Wisent on 171-180 floor set from doing it's DPS check. There might be other places you can use it (like stopping the elementals from casting a GCD), but I think this has a place for the solo abilities.

Stoneskin

Bring this baby back! More specifically for floor sets 181-190, because of the Deep Worms that attack you from a distance. That attack is unavoidable and does a large amount of damage....sometimes you can get hit at the worst moment and die because of it. Stoneskin can help mitigate that a little bit, and also it can be useful as some buffer when you use Pomander of Rage in the higher floors, where enemies can 1-4 shot you easy. Important to note that you would only be able to use this outside of combat.

50%-60% HP Cure

This to me is the key, for all the other jobs that aren't called RDM. One of the specific situations that a huge cure like this is needed is against the 180 Boss Floor, Behemoth. RDM is viable because you can cap yourself off between meteors very easily, but every other jobs, except healer, will not survive multiple meteors AND do enough damage to kill the last 15% of behemoth. A "percentage" cure is important, because jobs with higher HP pools, like tanks, will benefit from this also. A PLD against behemoth would struggle to stay alive; yes, they have their own cures, but because Meteor does percentage damage, you have to cure all that HP just to be in the safe zone again to survive another meteor...and you'll also be spending all that time casting Clemency and not doing damage.

Additionally, a big cure like that should also assist in surviving floor 190 boss, because your big concern there is it's cleave combo that can potentially 3-shot you WITH steel pomander.

Additionally, additionally, a low cast big cure will be huge for clearing the floors. Lets face it, Max-Potions are a big joke and certainly doesn't keep you alive in 151+, and sustaining potions can only do so much regen (and also does not scale per job).

Jobs that don't have any significant cures (mainly a majority of the dps jobs) will gain a major benefit to just having a cure option, it should allow them to climb far higher in solo PoTD.

Melee Range powerful attack (with a long casting time)

This is more for healers and tanks, which are the job roles that can survive the best, but can clear the floors the worst.

Healers with pre-nerf Cleric Stance were viable....a lot of runners got pretty high before Stormblood because you had the best of both worlds: good damage and survivability. But check the board now, and you'll see almost every data center has no new healer floor records since Stormblood, because what they are suffering is in the damage department. I know also, running PLD, they also suffer from a lack of damage, especially on the bosses. You probably wont die on PLD, but you're not getting anywhere fast.

So I propose a special, big damage attack, as the last solo specific ability, which can help solve the DPS issue. But, the caveat is that it has a long casting time, just to balance it's usefulness. There are enemies in the higher floors that can kill you in 2-3 GCDs, so I would want such a useful attack to have a big risk in using it, where unless you prepare it properly or time it properly, you might die before the ability goes off. There is an obvious plus side to a powerful attack which would be saving time, and for jobs like healer and tank, it would be more useful to them. Also, it shouldn't be useable outside of combat, otherwise anyone can just walk up to any enemy and just farm down things, making the entire thing trivial. It should also not be useable on bosses, for obvious reasons.

I will say as a word of caution that as useful as a big attack would be, that would probably need to be more thought put into it so that it doesn't become such a broken ability that it makes soloing trivial. Of all the additional abilities I mentioned, I think this last one is a little iffy and would be to balanced really good.


Increasing Pomander Maximum Limit

The other part of the adjustments is increasing the amount of pomanders a solo player can hold. This in my opinion should also not be a hard implementation. The game already reads the fact that you are going in solo, both in the game log before you start the floors warning about the fact you are entering solo, as well as a separate solo ranking board. Also, on bosses such as Floor 50 and Floor 150, the enemies adjust to how ever many people are on the field....so with a light party the attacks will spawn 4 separate attacks, where as on solo only 1 will spawn.

Because of how that is setup, I believe it you should be able to have the game increase how many pomanders that can hold based on how many people are running PoTD. For instance, A Light Party will have the standard 3 limit, but if its a party of 3, then the limit would be +1 (so they can hold 4 max), party of 2 a limit of +2 (so they hold 5 max), and solo a limit of +3 (so you can hold 6 max).



Welcome to the conclusion of my term paper, thank you for reaching this far. I'm really, really hoping this get's adjusted somehow that all 15 jobs can clear, not just RDM. But as a few of the posters have also said, we don't want this to be destroyed and made so easy that people can obtain the title in their sleep. I think giving classes the tools they need to succeed for solo only is a way to accomplish this, AND/OR let us has more access to pomanders. If we can hold more pomanders, then you are eliminating a lot of the luck and RNG that is basically destroying everyone's attempts. If you give us more tools to survive and clear floors, then you are also removing much of the RNG on floor spawns that also destroy our runs.

SE, I want this title, and so do many of my fellow runners. Keep it challenging, but give us a chance here.

Um..to be honest potd floor 101+ was ruined when they released it. Before they worry about solo crap, they need to open it up so that people can pug queue for it, as well as get rid of the stupid "you can only wipe once" on it. The annoying solo stuff is literally holding it back, for what? So only one job can suffer through ridiculous balancing to try and get a single achievement? Meanwhile no one even bothers with 101+ in a party. You can tell from your server's market board; in 101+ replica dreadwyrm gear drops, but barely any ever hits the market compared to the ton of drops you see in 1-100.

Next time they need to not make solo achievements punish everyone else.

Let people queue in Duty Finder for floor 100+

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One thing that I've been racking my brain about is how do you adjust solo PoTD without ruining PoTD as a whole? Because yes, a number of what Louvain suggested are good...along the lines of what I had posted. However, some of those type of adjustments affect everything about it (light party, etc). So my big question that I wanted to find an answer for is: How do you adjust solo PoTD ONLY, without touching and adjusting the experience of PoTD 2-4 player, which much of the community will say is well balanced, and I think it is.

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thinking about this, it is technically balanced for light parties, yes...but would it really be such a bad thing to have it made easier at this point? The content has already been out a year. As someone who frequently runs it in a light party, even a good run can take us 6-7 hours. Many people I know have not cleared it - either because they (or their party) don't have the experience or disposition to deal with the later floors, or because its long and boring. Touching on the latter point, even with my party usually doing its best to remain upbeat, getting to 200 is still extremely tedious and draining because of how boring it can be (particularly, 140-170 because there's nothing special about those floors, its your typical aggro > kill cycle just done a lot more slowly with very little strategy involved)

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And wait a second, your name is a bit familiar... were you by any chance that Kalahan fangirl from DN? (also, Mayu says hi!)

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YES....THAT'S ME.....

Bumping this in support of my good friend Louvain here.

Even though I don't POTD much, from a game design perspective, I think the major problems expressed in this thread boil down to two things: RNG and how POTD isn't future-proofed at all. So to that end, here's some ideas I've been throwing around.

1) Critical hits should be removed from mobs, period. If people are getting one-shot WITH steel pomanders, that's a big problem. POTD has enough RNG crap as it is.
2) Clearing every 10 floors starting from 100 should also automatically add 1 of every type of Pomander into your inventory.
3) Update POTD so players can actually level to 70 in there. This ties into how POTD isn't future-proofed at all. With all the new changes to jobs between HW and SB, some classes lost a lot of utility, either because some skills got shuffled into class role, locked behind gauges (that in many cases can't be utilized effectively until late-60s), and/or removed and replaced by a similar skill gained at 61+. Stoneskin is a huge example of this.

Real talk, I'm thinking when the next deep dungeon releases they will end up adjusting this, as OP said, it's been 300 plus days, that's nearly a year and no one has cleared it, I get keeping hard content and such...but there is a such thing as too difficult. I haven't finished solo but I've been to 198 in a party and past 180/190 with the party a few times I know that it's a massive pain then. Plus I actually want the title..but all this? For just a title? The prize doesn't exactly justify the nightmare this is.

Seems like the devs are focusing 95% on new content always, it happens so rarely that they adjust something old just for the sake of adjusting it.

FFXIV became a game with lots of content, and a lot of that old content is becoming 2 much of a trouble/time investment to even go for it even after 2 addons, it is sometimes still the same effort as day1.
I know this is a MMORPG, it is supposed to be a grind, but with every new content they release, I cant imagine that new players have any chance of getting to the same point unless they spend atleast somewhat like a total year playtime in it. Players who stay only for content patches will leave anyway after they cleared savage or ultimate, if they don't nerf the time investment for sideactivities I cant see many people will stay for it either.
For an example.. I would never try to complete a relic weapon even now, the fate waiting, kills in different areas, light step,alexandrite etc... Anima is less troublesome(faster) as you can prepare for it in advance, but actually 10lvl higher, should be more difficult/take more time..It doesn't fit.

Adding the achievement with adding a sustain potion only didn't work out, it needs a different approach.

Hello, I hope people don't mind if I make this topic relevant again because I do believe POTD has a lot of issues compared to HoH.

Given this is from the stormblood era (this particular topic), but the problems listed are still a problem as of 2022, and I've been pretty irritated after all these years nothing has been done about it. I don't mind a challenge myself, but POTD has the problem of going overboard in everything damage and Monsters have tons of defense (this wouldn't be a problem if it were not for the limited selection of Job Skill Rotations), and I really don't like the fact how much of a tight DPS check that 180 boss has for solo runs and the insane gymnastics you have to do with the 190 boss (because if you screw up once you're dead since that boss hits like a truck).

It can take a day or two just to get back to those floors if you failed (depending how much free time you have), and that is pretty annoying compared to HoH.

There is also the matter of the outdated pomander selection, compared to HoH which is actually way more balanced for solo runs but the old original POTD pomanders are very unbalanced and with combined with bad RNG you better be praying to RNGesus.

It would be nice if the Devs. imported the changes from HOH into POTD just so its not some anxiety run from 1 to 200.

I tried for so long clearing POTD, but I just can't see myself doing it without extreme luck.

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Another reason I like to make this relevant again because if the next new deep dungeon ends up having the same issues then they're not listening to the playerbase.

This is the ultimate punishing content. One mistake or terrible luck or internet drop and it deletes hours of progress. High difficulty is fine but I don't like videogames to be overly punishing, like making you repeat hours of easy stuff to reach your next attempt at the hard part. For sanity reasons I would never make a serious attempt at solo 200. I think it's for gluttons for punishment by design. I'm all about low stress, casual content :)

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Another reason I like to make this relevant again because if the next new deep dungeon ends up having the same issues then they're not listening to the playerbase.

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Almost certain a majority of the player base is totally fine with the current state of potd, really the only big complaint I hear about is the lack of Blu...

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Hello, I hope people don't mind if I make this topic relevant again because I do believe POTD has a lot of issues compared to HoH.

Given this is from the stormblood era (this particular topic), but the problems listed are still a problem as of 2022, and I've been pretty irritated after all these years nothing has been done about it. I don't mind a challenge myself, but POTD has the problem of going overboard in everything damage and Monsters have tons of defense (this wouldn't be a problem if it were not for the limited selection of Job Skill Rotations), and I really don't like the fact how much of a tight DPS check that 180 boss has for solo runs and the insane gymnastics you have to do with the 190 boss (because if you screw up once you're dead since that boss hits like a truck).

It can take a day or two just to get back to those floors if you failed (depending how much free time you have), and that is pretty annoying compared to HoH.

There is also the matter of the outdated pomander selection, compared to HoH which is actually way more balanced for solo runs but the old original POTD pomanders are very unbalanced and with combined with bad RNG you better be praying to RNGesus.

It would be nice if the Devs. imported the changes from HOH into POTD just so its not some anxiety run from 1 to 200.

I tried for so long clearing POTD, but I just can't see myself doing it without extreme luck.

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Another reason I like to make this relevant again because if the next new deep dungeon ends up having the same issues then they're not listening to the playerbase.

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Would prefer not to nerf PoTD tbh. Necromancer is an extremely hard to get title for a reason and to nerf PoTD would kinda nerf the value of it. Can we please leave one of the few remaining bits of challenging content in the game alone and just see what they do with the new one first? Maybe it'll be so braindead we can all complete it within a day or two.

How about no and if anything git gud.... and a bit lucky as well.

These titles is not supposed to come easy, so it is a no go from here.

Yeah I have given up on doing this content solo. I am trying it with a friend as a duo and with him and another friend as a trio and even there the 180+ floors are too much.
I hope that the next deep dungeon is a bit better in that regard.

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Would prefer not to nerf PoTD tbh. Necromancer is an extremely hard to get title for a reason and to nerf PoTD would kinda nerf the value of it. Can we please leave one of the few remaining bits of challenging content in the game alone and just see what they do with the new one first? Maybe it'll be so braindead we can all complete it within a day or two.

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If it was only challenging I would agree but there is still way too much RNG involved. We had runs where we had one chimaera patrol after the other with barely any poms left. That run did end when we spawned into a new room with only one way forward and three wandering monsters on us...the next time when we were there as a trio we bascially got one manticore pom after the other. The wandering monsters and quite a few of the floors were a absolute joke with that.

As long as such RNG exist its far away from a fair challenge. It bascially means that a run can be screwed by something out of your own hand.

Congratulations on clearing PoTD solo! (it was harder in 6.2) you've accomplished one of the most difficult (it was harder in 6.2) challenges in the game (it was harder in 6.2) and earned the Necromancer title (it was harder in 6.2) to show off to all your "friends" (it was harder in 6.2)

I'm not sure why this old thread was resurrected but one thing to keep in mind is the OP has gone on to clear PotD solo on every single job and is in the top 5 scores on clearing PotD solo for multiple jobs. So he did go onto master this content. You can watch him pretty regularly stream himself doing it if you need pointers on getting the clear.

I disagree that it needs to be toned down. The game needs difficult activities to give people truly meaningful and eye-catching titles. Sadly, there aren't enough of those in the game. Anytime I see a Necromancer, I know that person's gone through a lot of challenging things to get it. Reducing the difficulty would cheapen the achievement and title.

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Originally Posted by angienessyo

I'm not sure why this old thread was resurrected but one thing to keep in mind is the OP has gone on to clear PotD solo on every single job and is in the top 5 scores on clearing PotD solo for multiple jobs. So he did go onto master this content. You can watch him pretty regularly stream himself doing it if you need pointers on getting the clear.

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I feel like most people are not going to read your post and instead just go straight to "git gud!"

It's rough, both my main and sprout alt are necromancers, but people have ironed out strats that at this point I'd say necromancer isn't as difficult to obtain as it used to be. Just practice and pray half of your floors aren't amnesia or no items. The biggest issue with potd at that point is just the sheer amount of time per run it takes.

The job(s) that probably have the hardest time clearing is AST due to poor personal dps.

I think you should ask the OP again how he see it in current state (It would be nice if he would give a feedback for the current state too).

For my part i think its fine how it is. Sure there wasnt any changes for Potd directly but Class changes and better buff food make it already easier over time. (Just think how much more max hp you have now compared to older times)

Same for the class changes, like adding sleep for Caster or how much more powerfull MCH is compared to the older versions in lvl 60 areas.

Overall i am excited for the new one and hope it will be more "challenging" as HoH or even Potd.

EDIT: just from some vids about RDM clears at floor 190, in past RDM had some around 16850 Max hp now you easily pass 18600, wich are +2k hp compared to older patches. (Like +10% hp gain)

As a heads up the OP just got into AGDQ for running POTD 171-180 solo with no mouse. This will be the first time FF14 has been represented at AGDQ!