POSSIBLE PRIMAL

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Originally Posted by Myvar

But we already have Tiamat and a Kraken.

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They can use the FFIV's elemenetal fiends instead: Rubicante, Cagnazzo, Scarmiglione and Barbariccia.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2728/4...daa3dbd9a8.jpg

I wish they are included in the next Omega Raid though. Along with Zemus/Zeromus.

Either Brothers or Hashmal in the volcano in Ruby Sea. A side quest there says something about rumbling inside if I remember right.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

They kind of already have. IIRC Ravana and Lakshimi are new.

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Susano is new. Lakshmi is from FFVI.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

They can use the FFIV's elemenetal fiends instead: Rubicante, Cagnazzo, Scarmiglione and Barbariccia.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2728/4...daa3dbd9a8.jpg

I wish they are included in the next Omega Raid though. Along with Zemus/Zeromus.

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Tht's my thoughts too, I would see a fight with the 4 fiends like A6 where we have to deal with the 4 robots.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

We have two Halicarnassus. We can have two Anima.

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The latest Halicarnassus isn't the real Halicarnassus FFXIV lore wise. It's just Omega's creation from a book narrating the story of FFV.

Mayby we will encounter Zodiac sign primals in much much later in the future xD

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

Mayby we will encounter Zodiac sign primals in much much later in the future xD

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Zodiarc is already planned as the FFXIV's final boss, when the MMO will enter a vegetative state like FFXI. We could still have the 12 others tho, but I think the main cast of ascians are supposed to be the zodiac sign, not sure about it tho

It's a tough call... We actually haven't met that many Beast Tribes in Stormblood. All we've met are the Kojin, the Ananta and the Lupin. The Kojin already have Sasuno, and the Ananta already have Lakshmi. As for the Lupin, they don't really seem interested in summoning a Primal, and overall appear to be much more civilized than any of the other beast tribes, easily capable of integrating into normal Doman society without any significant conflicts.

I guess if the Lupin were to summon a Primal somewhere down the line anyway, they would probably use some kind of dog-related summon. The only one I can really think of is Fenrir, but we've already got a mount of him.

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Originally Posted by Dameron

It's a tough call... We actually haven't met that many Beast Tribes in Stormblood. All we've met are the Kojin, the Ananta and the Lupin. The Kojin already have Sasuno, and the Ananta already have Lakshmi. As for the Lupin, they don't really seem interested in summoning a Primal, and overall appear to be much more civilized than any of the other beast tribes, easily capable of integrating into normal Doman society without any significant conflicts.

I guess if the Lupin were to summon a Primal somewhere down the line anyway, they would probably use some kind of dog-related summon. The only one I can really think of is Fenrir, but we've already got a mount of him.

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Lupin aren't considered as beast tribe I believe. And the fenrir you got as mount and dungeon boss aren't the real fenrir, it's wrote in the description.

Here's the full list of the remaining summons that appeared in other FF but did not make an appearance in any form in the XIV yet

Asura [FFIV]
Remora [FFV]
Crusader [FFVI]
Maduin [FFVI]
Raiden [FFVI]
Seraph [FFVI]
Tritoch/Valigarmanda [FFVI]
Quetzalli/Palidor [FFVI]
Ragnarok [FFVI]
Hades [FFVII]
Brothers [FFVIII]
Doomtrain [FFVIII]
Eden [FFVIII]
Quezacolt [FFVIII]
Pandemona [FFVIII]
Madeen [FFIX]
Valefor [FFX]
Anima [FFX]
Magus Sisters [FFX]
Mateus [FFXII]
Adrammelech [FFXII]
Zalera [FFXII]
Shemhazai [FFXII]
Hashmal [FFXII]
Zeromus [FFXII]
Exodus [FFXII]
Famfrit [FFXII]
Chaos [FFXII]
Ultima [FFXII]

All of these only appeared in a single main FF so at that point wouldn't be suprising if they ended showing up as simple bosses.
I'd see the next trials being Byakko, Genbu, Suzaku and Soryu. just because they appear on the map around kugane :p

Everyone consider Magus Sister from FFX even tho they're originally from FFIV

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Zodiarc is already planned as the FFXIV's final boss, when the MMO will enter a vegetative state like FFXI. We could still have the 12 others tho, but I think the main cast of ascians are supposed to be the zodiac sign, not sure about it tho

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was trying to refering all the 12 zodiACs (from ff12) not zodiARC.

I could see them adding Mateus or Lich as Primals.

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

was trying to refering all the 12 zodiACs (from ff12) not zodiARC.

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Zodiarc is the 13th member of the zodiac from FFXII, under the 13th sign of the zodiac: Ophiuchus

Most likely the new primals are the 4 Shinjin from XI: Byakko, Seiryu, Suzaku, and Genbu. They're already reflected in the Amano artwork from Stormblood. They probably sit atop a platform at the top of that huge tower in Ruby Sea like Jamie's look pit in Dragon Ball (which im sure we will ascend in a new dungeon) .They probably will be the warring triad of SB.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Zodiarc is the 13th member of the zodiac from FFXII, under the 13th sign of the zodiac: Ophiuchus

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Oki:) u dont have to be a "i know everything even tho im just gonna ignore ur point" ... :)

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

Oki:) u dont have to be a "i know everything even tho im just gonna ignore ur point" ... :)

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You say that but I was actually talking of the 12 zodiac in my post, so who's ignoring who

Pretty sure there's more Summons from FFs Past than what even Ultimatecalibur has listed. Some of them got demoted to Dungeon/Raid Bosses (Diablos & Fenrir), some got planted (Sylph), and some became Mounts (Hydra/Syldra & Fenrir).

Also can someone link to where they retconned Snowcloak's Fenrir into not being "THE" Fenrir? The minion and mount were specifically stated not to be THE Fenrir in the item/companion descriptions, but I don't ever remember hearing that for the Snowcloak boss?

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

Also can someone link to where they retconned Snowcloak's Fenrir into not being "THE" Fenrir? The minion and mount were specifically stated not to be THE Fenrir in the item/companion descriptions, but I don't ever remember hearing that for the Snowcloak boss?

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It says so in the text that comes with the Fenrir Triple Triad card:

http://i.imgur.com/WNJTTJu.png

They've added the Warring Triad who aren't summons in the past but are made Primals here so there's always that possibility they'll add Primals that weren't summons previously.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

It says so in the text that comes with the Fenrir Triple Triad card:

http://i.imgur.com/WNJTTJu.png

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Ah, okay. Makes a bit more sense

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Everyone consider Magus Sister from FFX even tho they're originally from FFIV

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In FFIV they weren't a summon but three humans bosses. So the summon refer as the X, the same way if I refered the summon tonberry I would say it's from FFVIII even though tonberry existed before that as monsters

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Originally Posted by Sigiria

In FFIV they weren't a summon but three humans bosses. So the summon refer as the X, the same way if I refered the summon tonberry I would say it's from FFVIII even though tonberry existed before that as monsters

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Yeah but as someone said just above

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

They've added the Warring Triad who aren't summons in the past but are made Primals here so there's always that possibility they'll add Primals that weren't summons previously.

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So we have Susano as a primal in ffxiv

SE used Amaterasu as a type of summon or avatar in FF Explorers

Cant immediately recall if they ever used Tsukuyomi, Izanagi, or Izanami in games but they are all tied together in Japanese mythology

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

It's still very possible to get an 8 man version fight of him at some point it's not like we even killed him, he just left at the end of the fight....

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Or they will add him to Return to Ivalice 24 man raid, lol
i sure hope i am wrong, haha

Technically what we get is a new trial each patch - it doesn't have to be a primal (Nidhogg for example isn't).

Also, if we do get Doomtrain, I want it to be part of the Hildibrand story, purely so that Godbert can suplex it.

Golem was a Primal ( Summon ) in FF VI. Several other Summons from FF VI that I don't believe they have used yet are Cait Sith, Fenrir, Seraph, Phoenix, Ragnarok.

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Originally Posted by ArcanoJones

Several other Summons from FF VI that I don't believe they have used yet are Cait Sith, Fenrir, Seraph, Phoenix, Ragnarok.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mM-nHCieSI

ok ..I guess they have used Phoenix.

If we don't get the 4 fiends during omega I can see SE adding them as primals. Barbariccia is kinda like Garuda anyway, you could easily leave her out.
The 4 fiends of FFI/IX would also work.

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Originally Posted by Singularity

Technically what we get is a new trial each patch - it doesn't have to be a primal (Nidhogg for example isn't).

Also, if we do get Doomtrain, I want it to be part of the Hildibrand story, purely so that Godbert can suplex it.

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I can see the randy orton memes now.

Fenrir in Snowcloak only has "Lunar Cry", but that makes sense for any wolf monster to have. The real Fenrir would have Moonlit Charge, Lunar Bay, Lunar Roar, Crescent Fang, Eclipse Bite, etc...

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Fenrir in Snowcloak only has "Lunar Cry", but that makes sense for any wolf monster to have. The real Fenrir would have Moonlit Charge, Lunar Bay, Lunar Roar, Crescent Fang, Eclipse Bite, etc...

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It has been stated in game with the mount, minion and triple triad card that it isn't fenrir anyway.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

It has been stated in game with the mount, minion and triple triad card that it isn't fenrir anyway.

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Fenrir would be perfect as the primal associated with the Lupin. I am so torn as to whether I want the Lupin to be a spoken race or a beast tribe as they have claims to be either.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

What about Sin from ffx? He is technically a summoning. Perhaps he might be more fitting as an 8 man raid though.

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Sin was based off of Bismarck.

Lets also look at beastmen in game that haven't summoned a primal yet
Mamool-Ja
Qiqirn
Those catfish ppl I don't remember the name of
Unsure if Tonberries would be classified as beastmen
The mammoth people in steppes
Goblins had alexander but they didn't summon it
Lupin we're currently unsure if are actually considered beastmen.

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Originally Posted by Sigiria

Crusader [FFVI]

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Crusader/Jihad already appeared in the form of its individual components when we faced the Warring Triad as the Crusader Magicite was implied to be a fragment of the triad's power. Though it would be cool to fight them together in their Crusader forms as part of a 24 man raid.

Genbu, Suzaku, Byakko an Seiryu were on the map surrounding what I think is Kugane or the larger island with that big Mt Fuji looking mountain on it. The only other thing that stood out that I haven't seen in game or in plot is that giant looking thing with what looks like a sword lumbering around the clouds in the middle.

I still want Haurchefaunt to come back as a primal and have for years. Seriously they went through all that trouble to set up the premise of people being brought back to life as Primals with Tiamat's revelations about Bahamut, yet they never did ANYTHING with it. Even when the Ascians know it would potentially trip the Warrior of Light to fight the avatar of someone they cared for.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Unsure if Tonberries would be classified as beastmen

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The tonberries are cursed lalafell, and while the game has taught us that this in no way stops them summoning a primal, I personally feel that the they are too closely tied to the SCH questline to be explored in any other major capacity

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Fenrir would be perfect as the primal associated with the Lupin. I am so torn as to whether I want the Lupin to be a spoken race or a beast tribe as they have claims to be either.

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Except the real Fenrir is just a wolf. A legendary alpha wolf to be sure, but still just a wolf. And the boss fight in Snowcloak against him he more or less took on his summon skills from FFXI anyway so that is pretty conclusive Fenrir will never be a Primal.

Same goes for Diabolos who is a voidsent demon and not a Primal (again he uses the same skills from his summon form in FFVIII and XI).

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Except the real Fenrir is just a wolf. A legendary alpha wolf to be sure, but still just a wolf. And the boss fight in Snowcloak against him he more or less took on his summon skills from FFXI anyway so that is pretty conclusive Fenrir will never be a Primal.

Same goes for Diabolos who is a voidsent demon and not a Primal (again he uses the same skills from his summon form in FFVIII and XI).

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You mean like how the real Shiva was just an elezen that got eaten by Hraesvalgr? Or how the real King Moggle Mog was just a normal moogle? It's the summoners' perception that matters, not the reality.