1.20a Patch notes

This thread has now become a pissing contest. Continue gentlemen.
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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

There is no glitch with Blizzara. Blizzara is a self AOE, not a target AOE. Was always meant to be and is working as intended.

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Blizzara eats your mp if the mob is to far away....

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Originally Posted by ShadowCadja

That Moogle looks a biiiiit weird. XD

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Well if you all were so on the ball you'd put together that there was NO moogle pre patch and that my use of "moogle" was an obvious typo. Thanks for taking the time to point that out. I have since corrected it.

Also @ Toxic Fox I wont get defensive if you wont get offensive. Deal?

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Originally Posted by Firon

Blizzara eats your mp if the mob is to far away....

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...because it can be used regardless of any mob. You can target yourself and hit it. It is a SELF AOE. Any enemy that happens to be close to you gets hit.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

...because it can be used regardless of any mob. You can target yourself and hit it. It is a SELF AOE. Any enemy that happens to be close to you gets hit.

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the absolute beauty of Blizzara is not the lack of charging, but the lack of sub target.

isnt it wonderful being able to just hit the spell button and not have to press enter?

this is the only game on the planet the requires a confirmation for spells. why cant we just turn it off i the config menu for those of us that see that there is absolutely no need for sub target?

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Originally Posted by fusional

hi bud, long time no see! still doing 50-100% less DPS on ifrit than you should be?

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

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Oh, you mean those battles that can be won in the bikini outfits that I half ass on purpose because of how easy they were?

You bet.

And you never really out performed me, it's just that I play Assassin's Creed multiplayer and XIV at the same time. But good for you and your epeen.

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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Well if you all were so on the ball you'd put together that there was NO moogle pre patch and that my use of "moogle" was an obvious typo. Thanks for taking the time to point that out. I have since corrected it.

Also @ Toxic Fox I wont get defensive if you wont get offensive. Deal?

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Offensive is my personality though. /cry

Maybe I've just had a few bad run in's. I shouldn't jump the gun and judge every member of BG by a few people and I'm sorry for that.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

Oh, you mean those battles that can be won in the bikini outfits that I half ass on purpose because of how easy they were?

You bet.

And you never really out performed me, it's just that I play Assassin's Creed multiplayer and XIV at the same time. But good for you and your epeen.

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you're truly an asset to your linkshell. no wonder it took SeeD a week to beat moogle.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

the absolute beauty of Blizzara is not the lack of charging, but the lack of sub target.

isnt it wonderful being able to just hit the spell button and not have to press enter?

this is the only game on the planet the requires a confirmation for spells. why cant we just turn it off i the config menu for those of us that see that there is absolutely no need for sub target?

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For some skills i like the sub target like provoke and such never know when a extra mob will join the fight!

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Originally Posted by fusional

you're truly an asset to your linkshell. no wonder it took SeeD a week to beat moogle.

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I think anyone who didn't take the day off of work to spam the fight dozens of times until they got a kill should absolutely just shoot themselves in the face.

Does who kills what first and how long the fight lasts really matter that mnuch guys?

geeze you act like you should be earning medals and getting paid to do it


but guess what, its a friggin game and no one cares but you!


im a whore when it comes to getting everything in games done, but i still dont go out of my way for alot of this cuz it really is just a pissing contest for the first 2-3 weeks and all the epeen going around is just too annoying to deal with like all of you are clearly showing now

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I think anyone who didn't take the day off of work to spam the fight dozens of times until they got a kill should absolutely just shoot themselves in the face.

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Lol I what you did there.

STAY AWAY FROM THE SUMMONER!!

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I think anyone who took the day off of work to exploit the fight dozens of times until they got a kill should absolutely just shoot themselves in the face.

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but your post really has nothing to do with why sephrick is an awful player. he was there every day. he's just not good. he's in my old LS, and my old LS has some good players.

he's simply not one of them.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

the absolute beauty of Blizzara is not the lack of charging, but the lack of sub target.

isnt it wonderful being able to just hit the spell button and not have to press enter?

this is the only game on the planet the requires a confirmation for spells. why cant we just turn it off i the config menu for those of us that see that there is absolutely no need for sub target?

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Being able to switch to another target for a quick skill while remaining targeted on the same mob is useful.

That being said, I wouldn't mind a toggle being added to keep both parties happy.

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Originally Posted by ToxicFox

Offensive is my personality though. /cry

Maybe I've just had a few bad run in's. I shouldn't jump the gun and judge every member of BG by a few people and I'm sorry for that.

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Thank you. Apology accepted.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Being able to switch to another target for a quick skill while remaining targeted on the same mob is useful.

That being said, I wouldn't mind a toggle being added to keep both parties happy.

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i know its gonna sound rude but i see it as lazy.
if i can do successfully in WoW as a tank and mage with dozens of links after links and on the verge of death but still staying alive then i think anyone can do.
sub target is not at all needed.
Fkeys people... Fkeys!

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

i know its gonna sound rude but i see it as lazy.
if i can do successfully in WoW as a tank and mage with dozens of links after links and on the verge of death but still staying alive then i think anyone can do.
sub target is not at all needed.
Fkeys people... Fkeys!

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very much agree.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

Does who kills what first and how long the fight lasts really matter that mnuch guys?

geeze you act like you should be earning medals and getting paid to do it


but guess what, its a friggin game and no one cares but you!


im a whore when it comes to getting everything in games done, but i still dont go out of my way for alot of this cuz it really is just a pissing contest for the first 2-3 weeks and all the epeen going around is just too annoying to deal with like all of you are clearly showing now

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This.

/rant on

You guys are acting extremely childish and I'd hate to be a part of your linkshells if this is how you choose to represent them. For shame, seriously. Beating a fight "first" doesn't make you better than everyone else, it just means... well you did it first. If you/your LS found some super awesome strategy that now everyone uses, ok, that's pretty cool, but it's still awful, immature form to brag about it in the manner that is occurring in this thread.

Grow up.

/rant off

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Originally Posted by snowstriker

This.

/rant on

You guys are acting extremely childish and I'd hate to be a part of your linkshells if this is how you choose to represent them. For shame, seriously. Beating a fight "first" doesn't make you better than everyone else, it just means... well you did it first. If you/your LS found some super awesome strategy that now everyone uses, ok, that's pretty cool, but it's still awful, immature form to brag about it in the manner that is occurring in this thread.

Grow up.

/rant off

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Welcome to the FFXIV forums!

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

i know its gonna sound rude but i see it as lazy.
if i can do successfully in WoW as a tank and mage with dozens of links after links and on the verge of death but still staying alive then i think anyone can do.
sub target is not at all needed.
Fkeys people... Fkeys!

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You can use subtarget with the Fkeys. It just gives you a seperate target. It is an added feature for people who want to do more during combat, I don't see why it is such a problem. If you don't like it you can macro your spells with <t> to get around it.


Back to the patch notes, I hope that the "unmarked keystones" have a decent drop rate since we need 10 of them.

Does moogle have a 15 minute timer after win like Ifrit? To be honest with the stupid re-keying process I never bothered to check before.

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Originally Posted by snowstriker

This.

/rant on

You guys are acting extremely childish and I'd hate to be a part of your linkshells if this is how you choose to represent them. For shame, seriously. Beating a fight "first" doesn't make you better than everyone else, it just means... well you did it first. If you/your LS found some super awesome strategy that now everyone uses, ok, that's pretty cool, but it's still awful, immature form to brag about it in the manner that is occurring in this thread.

Grow up.

/rant off

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In a game where items/gear aren't really THAT rare or hard to get then all you are left with to set yourself apart from everyone else is who does it first, who does it best, and who does it fastest.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Back to the patch notes, I hope that the "unmarked keystones" have a decent drop rate since we need 10 of them.

Does moogle have a 15 minute timer after win like Ifrit? To be honest with the stupid re-keying process I never bothered to check before.

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yep. and part of the reason moogle felt like such a grind was every time you won you spent the next 20 minutes killing NMs to get keystones so you could reenter again. every single time. with ifrit, you could at least farm a bunch of inferno tapers solo or in SB groups until you had a nice reserve built up, which gave you the opportunity to take breaks between kills, since you didn't have to keep farming each and every time you won.

so at least at surface value this is a very welcome change.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

You can use subtarget with the Fkeys. It just gives you a seperate target. It is an added feature for people who want to do more during combat, I don't see why it is such a problem. If you don't like it you can macro your spells with <t> to get around it.


Back to the patch notes, I hope that the "unmarked keystones" have a decent drop rate since we need 10 of them.

Does moogle have a 15 minute timer after win like Ifrit? To be honest with the stupid re-keying process I never bothered to check before.

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Yes it does. Some of the NMs were much easier to deal with (Queen Gougou), while others were more annoying (Buata) so I can see the trend shifting to the party going to kill Gougou and taking care of all the vultures, spriggans and whatnot on the way there and in the vicinity for keystone drops. Can also farm these keystones outside of the quest like tapers, so overall a very nice improvement.

lol This thread has so much worthless epeen. Step outside, take a breath, realize that your in game achiements mean absolutely nothing to anyone in the real world. Remember that this indeed is just a game and no matter how serious you take it, you'll always look like a joke to someone else.

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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

In a game where items/gear aren't really THAT rare or hard to get then all you are left with to set yourself apart from everyone else is who does it first, who does it best, and who does it fastest.

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Originally Posted by fusional

yep. and part of the reason moogle felt like such a grind was every time you won you spent the next 20 minutes killing NMs to get keystones so you could reenter again. every single time. with ifrit, you could at least farm a bunch of inferno tapers solo or in SB groups until you had a nice reserve built up, which gave you the opportunity to take breaks between kills, since you didn't have to keep farming each and every time you won.

so at least at surface value this is a very welcome change.

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I'm a little worried it is going to be a chance drop making farming them ahead of time take several times longer than farming the NM's between kills. Hopefully not though. Either way it is still better and I know we will take advantage of it, and the whole thinning of the tree herds should reduce the timesink. We were even resorted to having people drop/claim/link/die so we could kill steal the NM's and not have to wait for the trees to move (Cassie being the worst hopefully she doesn't have as many trees pathing through her area).

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Yes it does. Some of the NMs were much easier to deal with (Queen Gougou), while others were more annoying (Buata) so I can see the trend shifting to the party going to kill Gougou and taking care of all the vultures, spriggans and whatnot on the way there and in the vicinity for keystone drops. Can also farm these keystones outside of the quest like tapers, so overall a very nice improvement.

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There are only a couple of Spriggans between turning leaf and Queen. Also I think queen is one of the more annoying NM's because of her bouncy aggro and liking to sit at range behind a tree so melee have to walk over to her.

I plan to simply farm the hell out of the the keystones ahead of time so when we run two groups at once and swap members around we don't have to worry about getting people keyed first anymore (which was a huge hassle).

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Originally Posted by Murugan

You can use subtarget with the Fkeys. It just gives you a seperate target. It is an added feature for people who want to do more during combat, I don't see why it is such a problem. If you don't like it you can macro your spells with <t> to get around it.


Back to the patch notes, I hope that the "unmarked keystones" have a decent drop rate since we need 10 of them.

Does moogle have a 15 minute timer after win like Ifrit? To be honest with the stupid re-keying process I never bothered to check before.

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if your gonna use the Fkeys then why not Fkey your target and hit the button? then if you want to go back to your first target, then Fkey back.
as for Nuking, its not necessary at all especially since this game is almost exclussively single target mob killing. it literally just becomes extra button pushes for the sake of extra button pushes. its the definition of convoluted.
if sub target is so fantastic then i wonder why there isnt anyone complaining that WSs dont use sub targets. after all, WSs is the exact equivalent to Nuking.
its just extra button pushes and especially for nuking, nothing but a spell confirmation. well i dont need confirmations.
oh and why not just macro them? because holding CTRL or ALT for every spell is just as annoying and spell confirmation on every spell. Macros are also extra button pushes.

servers up

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I'm a little worried it is going to be a chance drop making farming them ahead of time take several times longer than farming the NM's between kills. Hopefully not though. Either way it is still better and I know we will take advantage of it, and the whole thinning of the tree herds should reduce the timesink. We were even resorted to having people drop/claim/link/die so we could kill steal the NM's and not have to wait for the trees to move (Cassie being the worst hopefully she doesn't have as many trees pathing through her area).

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They didn't directly say less trees. They could just be moving them around or even adding more.

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Originally Posted by ToxicFox

They didn't directly say less trees. They could just be moving them around or even adding more.

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Counter-productive?

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

if your gonna use the Fkeys then why not Fkey your target and hit the button? then if you want to go back to your first target, then Fkey back.
as for Nuking, its not necessary at all especially since this game is almost exclussively single target mob killing. it literally just becomes extra button pushes for the sake of extra button pushes. its the definition of convoluted.
if sub target is so fantastic then i wonder why there isnt anyone complaining that WSs dont use sub targets. after all, WSs is the exact equivalent to Nuking.
its just extra button pushes and especially for nuking, nothing but a spell confirmation. well i dont need confirmations.

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So make macros with <t> like I suggested. No "spell confirmation".

I use sub targeting for advanced play all the time. You can't F key mobs, and when I'm using flash/sleep/provoke/taunt/etc. it comes in very handy. I also cure with sub targeting as a DD as I want to keep the mob I'm attacking as my Main Target.

If you don't use it bypass it, but I sure hope they don't take it away. It is a fantastic tool.

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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

In a game where items/gear aren't really THAT rare or hard to get then all you are left with to set yourself apart from everyone else is who does it first, who does it best, and who does it fastest.

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Why do you want to set yourself apart from everyone else? You must have a pretty sad life if you need to be better than everyone else in a videogame to be happy, just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Counter-productive?

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You called it. They put trees where all the Gigantoads used to be so you can't chocobo to the ramp any longer. I also don't see where they removed any, they are still all over between cassie/the boar.

The drop rate doesn't seem to be that bad though so far, I'm 1-3 on gigantoads.

NM's give keystones in batches of 10 at a time.

I approve of this patch.

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Originally Posted by fusional

fixed

but your post really has nothing to do with why sephrick is an awful player. he was there every day. he's just not good. he's in my old LS, and my old LS has some good players.

he's simply not one of them.

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Careful, your butthurt is showing.

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Originally Posted by Quatre

This is the only time in the history of my playing, Where they fixed MORE Than I what I expected from this patch.

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This. I'm pleasantly surprised about the amount of good fixes and improvements they made. No random ninja nerfs/changes/game design decisions that make me go WTF.

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Originally Posted by Rowln

Careful, your butthurt is showing.

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i'm sorry, but why would i be internet hurt over doing 27 dps pre-patch vs. someone who did 12-14?

oh, right, i get it. careful, your guilty conscience is showing.
(enjoy weeks of wiping with your fellow bads <3)

now, back on topic (again)...

You can finally repair the gear you are wearing in battle. Just like in the intro video! Pretty nifty feature I think.

I think the trees might be significantly worse after patch than before. =(