People refuses to help with Experts and Omega Raid (for fresh 80's) :(

You're calling others selfish and then insisting they should be the ones who play healers and tanks, but never you? How come they should be told to level all those extra jobs when you're not going to?

As a healer main, I secretly enjoy having longer queue times on my DPS :X
You get the opportunity of doing other things like crafting or gathering, and nothing's stopping you from doing FATEs if you wanted to build up that EXP.
You could always alt tab and do something else otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Drakeos

YET people are stuck and forced to pay over 10m gil to buy 320 set off MP due to people being toxic and selfish to help newer fresh 70 out (i refuse to relevel another job after getting 2 dps up to 70) and POTD is BORING as hell and gets to me FAST ...

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You started in 2011 and you haven't made any friends yet? If you are having a problem getting content done make an fc or a linkshell or just a few friends and get it done.

How dare I want to play the job I want for the sub I pay real money for because you have to wait a whole 10-15 minutes for your queue because YOU don't want to level a tank/healer. Sorry I'm so selfish random stranger. :/

What?..
...is this for real?
.....like seriously 100%?

Can't believe someone came to forums to complain about something like this.

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Originally Posted by vigioX-Sun

What?..
...is this for real?
.....like seriously 100%?

Can't believe someone came to forums to complain about something like this.

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People come to these forums to complain about stupider things than this all the time. Not much stupider, but hey.. it happens once in a while.

I'm capped on tome stones and Omega pieces for this week. I did this with no FC help. I did this on BLM.

There is nothing wrong with the amount of "help" people are giving DPS, you're just impatient and lazy.

I offer instant tank/healer queue runs...only to my FC/LS though. Mainly because I only need to do roulettes once a day (no incentives to do more) and that I zz after a couple of dungeon runs (regardless of job role).

lol another i'm to scared to tank and I only play dps help me NOW thread. :rolleyes:

What's 'fresh 80s'?

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

What's 'fresh 80s'?

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That thread was just posted 2 yeas too early

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Originally Posted by Drakeos

Still people really need to stop being selfish and self-centred and least offer help at 70 for those struggling with queues :( even if your a healer/tank

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your level of self-entitlement is beyond 80 for sure.

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Originally Posted by Drakeos

Still people really need to stop being selfish and self-centred and least offer help at 70 for those struggling with queues :( even if your a healer/tank

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Not trying to be rude or anything, but I have other things I would like to get done in-game, and once I cap on Creation for the week and get my Omega normal drops, I don't usually run roulettes anymore unless a friend specifically asks me to help them out (which, here's a hint and piece of advice to you: make some friends). Occasionally, I will run Leveling or 50/60 on a job I'm leveling on the side, but lately, I would much rather focus on my crafting and gathering. I don't see how me wanting to spend the time I have online doing things I enjoy (and being quite productive with regards to them) is considered wrong or selfish here. Wouldn't you like to do the things you enjoy without a stranger telling you that you're obligated to queue up for roulettes as a job you don't really want to play (tank or healer) because they're suffering in the long DPS queues (with all the other DPS mains)?

My previous advice still stands: make friends and queue up with them if you do not want to wait in the DPS queues (which are only really bad during peak times on weekends on Aether, and even then MAYBE a max of 40 minutes....MAYBE). Or even make PFs for the roulettes. I see Daily Roulette PFs up often on Aether. Make one or join one. You may meet some people in those PFs that you can connect with and run more content with later. While you're waiting in the queue, do things that will net you experience: sidequests, FATEs, beast tribe dailies. Or do other relaxing things such as gathering or crafting. Or read a book, watch some YouTube/Netflix while you wait, write a poem or a haiku. I don't know. Whatever things you find relaxing and enjoyable to pass the time. Because if you want to main a DPS, then wait times are the price you pay. And really, it's not even that heavy of a price.

Coming here and demanding accommodation is not what you should be doing, and definitely not a way of getting people to help you. Especially since you would be unwilling to do the same if the roles were reversed (based off of your comment about how you refuse to level any other jobs).

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Originally Posted by Felis

That thread was just posted 2 yeas too early

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If new jobs in 5.0 will be a healer and a tank, people will start accusing dps for not helping them with ques.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

If new jobs in 5.0 will be a healer and a tank, people will start accusing dps for not helping them with ques.

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Just like it did with 3.0 dropping (NOT), as a FYI majority of the players that are already tank and healer would be the ones using them so DPS ques would still be the same.

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Originally Posted by Nghthawk

Just like it did with 3.0 dropping (NOT), as a FYI majority of the players that are already tank and healer would be the ones using them so DPS ques would still be the same.

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We were playing a different game at 3.0 launch then, because healers and tanks had the longest ques. Everyone was on DRK hype train.

http://i.imgur.com/Bv7QBXO.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...or_we_are_now/

I will be honest that the DPS queues can frustrate me at times. But, if the DPS queues are frustrating enough for me, I'll just switch to my tank or healer. Or, if I'm trying to level a DPS specifically, I'll grab a friend who tanks/heals (or is wanting to level one of them), and run with them. Once you're in the duty, yes, it's about the team's wishes on how to go about completing the duty (with a majority rules narrative), but unless you're in the duty or some other group content... to quote the infamous line that angers people in duties all over... "It's my sub. I'll play how I want."

Plus, coming here and showing a refusal to meet in the middle (for example if you'd said you'd tried tanking and were having major trouble with it, some of us could come along and help guide you as a tank, and yes people are willing to offer guidance and support here, or if a disability meant you couldn't take on the extra healing/tanking responsibilities, that's fine), means people aren't willing to compromise here. I find tanking and healing more fun than DPS (and only take the DPS when my brain isn't able to handle the responsibilities of tank/healing), and am always happy to help fledgling tanks/healers get their feet on the ground. But I do take a meet in the middle approach myself. If you're willing to learn, I will guide you to the very best of my ability.

Show us an offer to meet in the middle, and we'll be more forgiving and work with you. But with your current approach of "me me me", don't expect people to show sympathy.

I mentioned previously to find friends, an LS, or an FC, that are OK with you being a pure DPS (most are btw, so don't be afraid to seek them out), and queue with them. That advice still stands if you insist on being a DPS only player and don't want the long queue times. They can also help make levelling other classes less of a chore, as they can make things more fun for you or give you a social element as part of it.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

We were playing a different game at 3.0 launch then, because healers and tanks had the longest ques. Everyone was on DRK hype train.

http://i.imgur.com/Bv7QBXO.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...or_we_are_now/

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I remember it only lasting a few days on the Chaos datacentre, then it was back to normal for the most part. MCH was hot garbage so people didn't wanna try it, DRK and AST were also woefully underpowered so people didn't wanna stick with it on top of the extra responsibilities and pressure associated with tanking/healing. Oh, and it occasionally showed up all the way until SB launched. Trials roulette was most famous for it.

Well, I kinda don't take my tank into the DF wilds unless I have at least a couple people from my FC/LSes. Sorry? You'll just have to deal with my SAM.

As much as I can (& sometimes do) take my lv70 PLD into EX roullete I mostly don't as I feal I much justify MCH's existance as my other lv70 by qurring as that... also I accept the qurry time as I think its normal for DPS

Won't qurry as something I don't wanna just because you "the OP" demand I play something else, that sounds wrong to me

Word of advice... if you are stuck solo in a dps queue, don't stare at the time, go gather some mats to sell, or to craft something with. Check on your squadron, clean inventory, chat with others, fates, daily hunts... basically any number of things to take your mind off the queue.

Gc turn-ins, I like to make Gil and prep raid food and potions while I wait.

There are no issues with the queue times nor is anyone obligated to help you (stop being entitled, go and get it done yourself). The longest I've had to wait (on BLM) this week for either expert roulettes or deltascape normal is 15 or so mins. I had a bunch of runs pop around the 5 minute mark.

The only thing that is 'bad' right now are the late starters (like myself) trying to get into extreme primals and savage. Virtually every group on party finder is duty complete. The wait times on DF can be very long, and the groups fruitless, though I'm not sure what SE can do about it.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

We were playing a different game at 3.0 launch then, because healers and tanks had the longest ques. Everyone was on DRK hype train.

http://i.imgur.com/Bv7QBXO.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...or_we_are_now/

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Can you show a picture about DPS queue time 4 weeks after 3.0 launch, after the new jobs were not new anymore?

I don't get how anyone would need "help with experts". If you mean queue times, no one is obligated to "help" shorten them for you as dps nor are you "forced" to buy crafted gear from the market. As the most prolific role (dps), short of making non-dps friends (which is entirely up to you), your only other option is to level a non dps role yourself and enjoy the sweet sweet instant queues and free grade 6 materia that comes with being in demand. If you're not comfortable with a leadership role, be a healer. You still get to dps, you just have to hps the green bars from time to time as well, and being able to juggle both is very satisfying.

Neither SE, nor the playerbase as a whole, have any obligation to shorten your queue times. You have the power to do that yourself by either making non-dps friends or leveling a non dps class yourself. If you refuse to do either then your predicament is a situation of your own making.

If dps queue times aren't your issue then I am hard-pressed to think of what sort of "help with experts" you're looking for.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

The only thing that is 'bad' right now are the late starters (like myself) trying to get into extreme primals and savage. Virtually every group on party finder is duty complete. The wait times on DF can be very long, and the groups fruitless, though I'm not sure what SE can do about it.

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The solution to this is to make your own learning/progression group. I don't know about Primal, but Aether still has plenty of learning/progression/clear parties for Lakshmi Ex, Susano Ex, and Omega Savage, and they fill up rather quickly as well, with vets and newbies alike. It's as easily rectifiable as the OP's situation: go and get it done yourself.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

The solution to this is to make your own learning/progression group. I don't know about Primal, but Aether still has plenty of learning/progression/clear parties for Lakshmi Ex, Susano Ex, and Omega Savage, and they fill up rather quickly as well, with vets and newbies alike. It's as easily rectifiable as the OP's situation: go and get it done yourself.

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I did raid group organizing / leading for years. Put in my due. I'm not dealing with that stress any more. So no, not a solution.

Not complaining about it either. Just more stating it as a state of affairs.

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Originally Posted by Drakeos

That problem waited 30 mins for PF to fill up for tank/healer's and dps and yet don't have FC that online right now to help or friends (even though i'm aussie player)

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Lv up a crafter or gathering while waiting once you get high enough of you can start making money so you can buy that 10 mil gear on the mb or make the gear yourself.

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I did raid group organizing / leading for years. Put in my due. I'm not dealing with that stress any more. So no, not a solution.

Not complaining about it either. Just more stating it as a state of affairs.

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I wasn't saying start organizing or hosting weekly PF events or forming a static. O.o I was merely saying if you don't see a "learning party for X content" make your own rather than say "there's no way for late-comers to clear this content because PF is all Duty Complete/farm groups."

A solution to all "late-comers", not just you, is to form their own learning group if they do not see one in the Party Finder. I see way too often posters complaining about "there's no X content learning groups, only farm parties! How am I supposed to get a clear!" on this forum when the solution is obvious: do it yourself. State of affairs that is, again, easily rectifiable if people step up and take initiative.

If people aren't willing to do that, then they don't really need to complain about the "state of affairs" they aren't taking any steps to change.

I don't understand the issue... I leveled RDM to 70 using duty finder almost exclusively(I did a ton of frontline pre-60 because the wait was generally 5-6 minutes compared to 2 hours for 1-60 stuff). It only took me about a week to get 70 and full 310 doing this. I can understand being upset when people are trying to sell their own participation (as they did on ultros), but you can't really say they are doing anything wrong just because they are being buttholes. Have you tried using the party finder ,and shouting for members to speed run stuff? When you hit 70 tome farming would be easy this way if you use the magitech mount in Alamigo as your carrot on a stick. I'm sorry you're frustrated , but I hope you try some of these alternatives to improve your situation.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

Potd is a bad and risky way to level. If you group fails or someone leaves all that time spent is completely wasted.

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What!? Potd is better xp than anything, even leveling roulette. It's almost impossible to fail a 50-59.

i320 pieces are like 300-500k each. 10m wut?

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Originally Posted by Drakeos

YET people are stuck and forced to pay over 10m gil to buy 320 set off MP due to people being toxic and selfish to help newer fresh 70 out (i refuse to relevel another job after getting 2 dps up to 70) and POTD is BORING as hell and gets to me FAST ...

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Man, your jokes are so good I almost choked to death for laughning!

I've met several players who still can't get past royal menegerie lol

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Originally Posted by Hitsuzen

I've met several players who still can't get past royal menegerie lol

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Now see THAT is something I can see someone asking for help with.