Another patch for worthless PGL

My pugilist class just doesn't get the love from the devs it seems. Combos make combat a bit more interesting, but the lack of really standout, hard hitting abilities really make things hurt.

Where are we going from here, guys?

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Originally Posted by Odysseuss

I did a parse and PGL does 2nd most dps next to thm. Just saying.. Lancers dps was pretty bad. Mrd, Pgl and thm are alot better atm.

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It just depends what you are fighting and if they are weak to magic, or weak to physical.

If elemental weakness/strength/null came into play more often, I could see them hitting much harder.

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

My pugilist class just doesn't get the love from the devs it seems. Combos make combat a bit more interesting, but the lack of really standout, hard hitting abilities really make things hurt.

Where are we going from here, guys?

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How is 1000 damage Howling Fists not a "really standout, hard hitting ability".

Take cul to 50 and then get back to me about useless classes.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

How is 1000 damage Howling Fists not a "really standout, hard hitting ability".

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Hard hitting definitely, but hardly standout.

Sad thing PUG and CUL were my first two 50s in that order. I finally took CONJ to 50 and dont want to lvl any other jobs, I love my PUG to death and its geared really well I just dont get what ppl are saying. Were like swiss army knives, ok at alot of things but dont really shine at anything.

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Originally Posted by Odysseuss

Nothing wrong with it. Im talking about compared to THM PGL and MRD.

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Lnc is above Mrd in the numbers we have gotten mostly even with pretty well geared players. Might just b the combos not always landing cause darn moogles love to move but so far iv seen Lnc just above Mrd. Iv not geared my Pgl since the patch but i know they can get some pretty sweet numbers as well if geared/played right.

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Originally Posted by NamudNevets

Lnc is above Mrd in the numbers we have gotten mostly even with pretty well geared players. Might just b the combos not always landing cause darn moogles love to move but so far iv seen Lnc just above Mrd. Iv not geared my Pgl since the patch but i know they can get some pretty sweet numbers as well if geared/played right.

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For the MRD to do max damage, he needs to be able to know how to use Berserk to its fullest capacity.

Get better gear. Pugilist is now the best single target DD out there.

What PGL need to stand out are awesome ws animations ^^
I miss my burning fists from Victimize.

Is fists of FIAH damage affected by INT (magic dmg) or is it some sort of phys. Damage?

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Is fists of FIAH damage affected by INT (magic dmg) or is it some sort of phys. Damage?

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int and str are the modifiers for all pug attacks now. it is however fire damage i dont know if its considered magic dmg though, the attack up is still in the attack part of your attributes. you get really beautiful dmg when attacking at a monsters weakness. Still you dont get that much mp management tools, so eventually you will run out of steam.

I suggest they give pug some drunken fighter traits that make ethers have additional traits, like more mp, mp regen, crtit up/acc down etc. of course add at least one unique animations for a drunken looking swig. I dont think it will happen but it would be cool.

PUG is the best melee DD but you gotta use the several elemental punch stances.

Like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...MNHYDpog#t=62s

So if fire fists of fury are affected by magic dmg boosting parameters what's the chance that most PGL's are stacking up STR and attack while herpderping the whole class in the process?

PGL is the least obvious class to play as of 1.20, as well as deemed the "weakest". Coincidence? Prove me it isn't.

I have played pug since day 1 in beta till now. I just don't have the heart to play it anymore. I am beyond disappointed.

Put it simply, if anybody find that there is a need to buff PGL or that PGL deserve a non-vague role in PT to get demand. Please like this thread ^_^*ノ

Sounds to me like a serious case of the "You don't know how to play your Class"es.

If I had to guess, PGL is probably a lot better suited for tanking Bosses, maybe you should give it a try. As far a solo is concerned, mine solos great.

I think only the pgl that don't know how to play the class think the class is weak cause pgl does just fine in any situation. You do not need FoF or FoE up at all times use it when its needed when those buffs are not up pgl still matches other classes in dmg, but if something is weak to one of those ele's they out damage any class just by AA.

Take the MRD and GLA moogles pgl hits them like trucks only class that can do 1k ws on the gla, and break 1.2k on the mrd.

Pgl on ifrit out of all DoW classes for me all with Ifrit weapons and well geared is parsing the highest this patch. Almost about to where the Medium parsing in our Ifrit Static of Lncers parsed in 1.19. Though I think its BS that Fists of Fire heals ifrit when Fire dmg on ifrit weapons do dmg to it.

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Originally Posted by Shinun

Pgl on ifrit out of all DoW classes for me all with Ifrit weapons and well geared is parsing the highest this patch. Almost about to where the Medium parsing in our Ifrit Static of Lncers parsed in 1.19. Though I think its BS that Fists of Fire heals ifrit when Fire dmg on ifrit weapons do dmg to it.

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Actually the Ifrit weapons have a chance of causing random fire damage everytime you hit with it. It's not everytime.

Ive noticed a significant boost in the ease of Pug soloing since the patch, it is crazy that anyone thinks Pugs arent good... But then again im only 22.

I know it's a chance i've used the weapons alot. But since it gives Fire Dmg but still hurts Ifrit you'd think FoF would do damage to Ifrit. FoE atleast still raises dmg done to ifrit. And, it's not like FoF actually healed ifrit much it usually nerfed the dmg then the extra that went through healed. Since like a Blindsided/Blood for Blood Howling Fist for me usually does ~800 dmg on Ifrit but a FoF buffed Howling Fist only healed him for ~50. It was really quick to figure out FoF was healing him though since on a 2nd Battle chat Log only dmg that was showing on it was from the additional fire dmg procs of Ifrit's Claws.

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Originally Posted by Alise

I will say this again. Argue me back whenever most of random recruitment actually demand to have stack of PGLs in party as ARC/LNC/MRD/THM/CNJ were. Then I ll surrender.

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Most people are not recruiting a 100% random party. 90% of the recruitment are groups that already have thier key roles fulfilled, looking for that 6th, 7th, or 8th player to top off the group. Thus your point there is a little invalid.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Most people are not recruiting a 100% random party. 90% of the recruitment are groups that already have thier key roles fulfilled, looking for that 6th, 7th, or 8th player to top off the group. Thus your point there is a little invalid.

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JP do it every night, 3-4 PTs at peak time. And my time zone is Asian time, so I always hear them and it is not invalid.

Also, even within your LS, do you ask PGL as "demand" to have in every party or not? Not even dream of stacking PGLs like other classes used to have... (THM on Dodore, ARC on DH, LNC on IF, MRD on SH. CNJ on everything)

I only want at least one PGL to be need in every PT.

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Originally Posted by Alise

JP do it every night, 3-4 PTs at peak time. And my time zone is Asian time, so I always hear them and it is not invalid.
I call bull****. Either they are crappy Pick Up Groups without knowledge of PGL capability, in which case you don't want to go with them, or your full of it if you want us to believe they refuse to accept a PGL

Also, even within your LS, do you ask PGL as "demand" to have in every party or not? Not even dream of stacking PGLs like other classes used to have... (THM on Dodore, ARC on DH, LNC on IF, MRD on SH. CNJ on everything)

No, we don't "demand" anything. Thats just stupidly elitest. We ask in LS chat, who wants to join me in an Ifrit or mog run (or whatever). The first 7 others to speak up get sent invites> Viola raid group. The end.

I only want at least one PGL to be need in every PT.

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Originally Posted by Alise

when will PGL get the opportunity?

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*walks into thread*
-Looks at TC complain that Pugalist is useless
-Looks at players say it's not SE's fault people are idiots and Pugalist is actually pretty strong
-Watches TC continue to complain for no reason
*Facepalms and leaves thread*
http://www.deadlantern.com/wp-conten...9/facepalm.jpg

Don't blame Pugilist. Blame yourself or God.




/delita