Why are cosmetics so restrictive?

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Originally Posted by Serilda

Still traumatised from my ARR levelling experience with WHM AF pants and the Coliseum Shawl. Never forget.

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Only to be forced to wear that horrible Darklight robe for weeks following because we didn't have glamour prisms at launch while you got the tomes for AF2

There are so many pieces that shouldnt be job locked. Honestly other than af gear nothing else should be locked (for glamour)

The new restrictions for white DoH/DoL gear in SB pisses me off. The gear got some neat designs and changes from existing one but... we cannot use it for glam. :confused: Instead of more options we get less.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

Intentional inventory bloat > encourage players to rent retainer space > more income for SE.

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I already have six retainers and I'm still entirely out of space. I was so excited for expanded inventory but most of that expanded inventory is already dedicated to accessories :T

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

XI allows you to glamour any piece of gear, from any job, into your outfit. The only requirement is that you have to be able to equip the gear normally on the job in question (e.g. Can't glamour lvl 60 ninja boots if your ninja is only 25).

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I could get behind this. Why didn't Square bring the same system over for FFXIV (besides 'spaghetti code')?

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Originally Posted by Serilda

While I'd be perfectly willing to accept it as a compromise, a toggle for 'no-fun mode' where all glamours were hidden for players who hate glamour means a lot of people would be seeing me wandering around in hideous combinations of clipping, miscoloured, overly-revealing nonsense :(

I'd rather it just replaced all your clothes with generic job gear if that is the only alternative.

Still traumatised from my ARR levelling experience with WHM AF pants and the Coliseum Shawl. Never forget.

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Funny enough, for Miqo'te, that's like the only gear in the game that doesn't completely clip at the tail. It's the most impractical gear ever and I got rid of it the second I didn't need it.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

XI allows you to glamour any piece of gear, from any job, into your outfit. The only requirement is that you have to be able to equip the gear normally on the job in question (e.g. Can't glamour lvl 60 ninja boots if your ninja is only 25).

It adds a lot of variety to the game and is really quite fun. I'd love to see an open glamour system like that move to XIV. :(

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God it pisses me off so much that SE managed to do this right in XI but not here.

Or how about going into dungeons as a Bard (after 20 minutes in queue) and to see the ...of Slaying / ...of Scouting armor 3 times each but not a single ...of Aiming drops when the armor is all just a palette swap of the same gear anyway. Even in that regard, with the piece of gear I've been hunting for, the scouting colors have a much nicer blue and white color scheme rather than the diarrhea brown that aiming gets.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

XI allows you to glamour any piece of gear, from any job, into your outfit. The only requirement is that you have to be able to equip the gear normally on the job in question (e.g. Can't glamour lvl 60 ninja boots if your ninja is only 25).

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I support this.
Be able to glamour every gear if your character can equip it with having the needed job on the needed level.

Originally the devs said they didn't want everyone to be able to glamor everything because it would cause confusion over what role you were. Then they release stuff like the giant pig suit, that any job can use as a glamor....

That's because the devs like to make assumptions about the playerbase when it comes to QoL additions.


Can you imagine how far this game would go if they decided to speak to us lowly mortals first, then take action?

The restrictions are even weirder when you consider that theres event gear that is straight up heavy armor that all jobs can wear and other more armored looking sets magic users can use.

Healer in legacy warrior armor and a tank in robes. Its okay when SE does it but we are not allowed to mix and match ourselves.

Do wish they would ease up on the glamour. Sure Artifact gear, keep it to that one class but let us glamour whatever else we want. A Tank in a Bikini makes as much since as a Tincan Blackmage.

I can't agree more, Glamour restrictions should be gone.

The main reason Square places these limits is to avoid confusing players. So, considering this, I recommend:

* Keep the exclusive class/job restrictions. This means a gear made only for BLM can only be glamoured by BLM. This respects Square desire to avoid confusing players.

* Remove any restrictions to glamour gear from other Disciples or role. Allow BLM to glamour Disciples of War gear, or gear made for PLD WAR DRK, for example.

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Originally Posted by Doki

Originally the devs said they didn't want everyone to be able to glamor everything because it would cause confusion over what role you were. Then they release stuff like the giant pig suit, that any job can use as a glamor....

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Ayeee.

If they are wanting to keep roles clear, I would say make it so that you cant glamour weapons cross-class, but let everything else be fair game. The weapon is what decides our job anyway, so there could be our one tie-in to show what jobs people are playing.

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Originally Posted by Jaibamon

* Keep the exclusive class/job restrictions. This means a gear made only for BLM can only be glamoured by BLM. This respects Square desire to avoid confusing players.

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Honestly this doesn't need to be respected because it's complete phooey. Players don't get confused by another player's glamour.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Ayeee.

If they are wanting to keep roles clear, I would say make it so that you cant glamour weapons cross-class, but let everything else be fair game. The weapon is what decides our job anyway, so there could be our one tie-in to show what jobs people are playing.

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Agreed.

also, they need to make it when you glamour you just have to pay Gil, I'm sick of having to go to the market and buy glamour prisms or finding out I don't have enough of them.

Please no, don't give them the idea to remove glamour prisms, it's one of the few things crafters can sell no matter what patch it is, cause people will always use them. Nor are they very expensive either.

I find the best solution would be to make the system work like in XI, so as long as your charachter can use the item on some class, you can glamour it. This would also give SE the sidebenefit of people spending more time and subbing for longer to lvl up more classes. I know that there's a couple of classes I would lvl to 70 just to be able to use their gear for glamours on other classes.

don't you dare take away those prisms.

At this point it's probably pretty easy to level yourself up to make prisms your dang self, honestly.

With all the particle effects flying about, is anyone really paying attention to what others are wearing?

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Honestly this doesn't need to be respected because it's complete phooey. Players don't get confused by another player's glamour.

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You don't. Consider others. I am all up for tanks wearing bikinis and mages wearing Disciples of War gear, but a monk wearing the classic White Mage set can be confusing.

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Originally Posted by Jaibamon

You don't. Consider others. I am all up for tanks wearing bikinis and mages wearing Disciples of War gear, but a monk wearing the classic White Mage set can be confusing.

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In terms of lore though, once our character has earned their WHM AF it makes no sense that they cannot continue to wear it while fishing, dancing at Gold Saucer or waving a sword around. They're still the same character; that's the theme of the game's job system. If people can cope with a gigantic metallic red pigman punching enemies as a Monk, I think they can cope with a really angry career WHM punching enemies as a Monk too.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

In terms of lore though, once our character has earned their WHM AF it makes no sense that they cannot continue to wear it while fishing, dancing at Gold Saucer or waving a sword around. They're still the same character; that's the theme of the game's job system. If people can cope with a gigantic metallic red pigman punching enemies as a Monk, I think they can cope with a really angry career WHM punching enemies as a Monk too.

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Hell, you could make that a running gag, what with all the "angry healer" trend that is all the rage these days.

I dont get why males can't wear bunny ears thoug. Again a Pegi12 thing or whatttttt.

Officialy ? Lore
I still think it's both denial that the idea was bad from the start and laziness

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Originally Posted by Serilda

they can cope with a really angry career WHM punching enemies as a Monk too.

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This made me smile so much. Especially since it's more or less my character's backstory at this point.

I say as long as you have the job or class leveled the required gear level, ex.) say I am a monk but want to use level 45 bard gear as a glam... well you need to have bard and monk to level 45. The party list tells you who are what jobs.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

In terms of lore though, once our character has earned their WHM AF it makes no sense that they cannot continue to wear it while fishing, dancing at Gold Saucer or waving a sword around. They're still the same character; that's the theme of the game's job system. If people can cope with a gigantic metallic red pigman punching enemies as a Monk, I think they can cope with a really angry career WHM punching enemies as a Monk too.

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Well said!

You know, funnily enough, up to this day I still get confused about some classes not by what they wear but by the job icon, more specifically nin, mnk and smn. Is there current setting that could change the icons into the job abbreviations?

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

They're probably more about trying to restrict people from creating confusing glamours. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to not allow a tank to glamour light armor, but yet the any-class costume gear can. It's just kinda arbitrary.

The compromise I'd suggest is simply drawing that line at the weapons.

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See, as long as they don't allow people to change weapons into other things..I don't see how it'd be confusing really? glamour has no real effect on how the job plays.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Officialy ? Lore
I still think it's both denial that the idea was bad from the start and laziness

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What is the lore reason for this? I mean shouldnt we in lore be able to wear anything? I mean in lore we are alone (next to NPC) and I am quite sure that the NPCs dont really care what we are wearing.

Lore wise it would make sense if we could glamour anything, since glamour is just an illusion.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

. And AF so that traditionalists don't get upset

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AF1 I'll give you, but I just want to wear the SMN af2 on my BLM. I mean, have you seen that armpit?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

What is the lore reason for this? I mean shouldnt we in lore be able to wear anything? I mean in lore we are alone (next to NPC) and I am quite sure that the NPCs dont really care what we are wearing.

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Relic/artifact gear is, technically, bound to the player character only. There's only a handful of people in canon who are allowed to wear the DRG AF1, for example.

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Originally Posted by Clawbriar

Relic/artifact gear is, technically, bound to the player character only. There's only a handful of people in canon who are allowed to wear the DRG AF1, for example.

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WHM AF1 in 1.0 was even more exclusive as I understand it - there, the Healer's Robe was literally one-of-a-kind that only the player was allowed to wear (if I remember rightly it was actually an elemental who had literally changed it's form into the robe). Needless to say this was altered for ARR, but the Healer's Robe is still stated as being unique, as it was blessed vestments worn by A-Towa Cant.

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Originally Posted by Jaibamon

You don't. Consider others. I am all up for tanks wearing bikinis and mages wearing Disciples of War gear, but a monk wearing the classic White Mage set can be confusing.

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Pretty sure any "confusion" would vanish when they noticed the player punching things instead of healing.

Inside a dungeon run or raid, I pay little or no attention to the physical appearance of my party. Don't have time; don't care. I figure the person charging the trash mob is either the tank; or thinks they're the tank; or they're a typical insane lalafel black mage; it's all good any way they dice it.

So. I also don't buy the argument "letting people glamour from other class sets will confuse people" argument.

If there's someone in AF1 White Mage gear throwing Bootshines from melee range, hey, it is what it is. Go go Power Magers!

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Originally Posted by Clawbriar

Relic/artifact gear is, technically, bound to the player character only. There's only a handful of people in canon who are allowed to wear the DRG AF1, for example.

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Well if its bound by character then we should be able to wear it whenever we want? I mean if in lore the WoL is a summoner but wants to get better at punching people they would not forget that they are a mage too. And if I am back to being a mage I would not forget how to punch people. And one can punch someone even while wearing only a bikini.

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Originally Posted by Jaibamon

You don't. Consider others. I am all up for tanks wearing bikinis and mages wearing Disciples of War gear, but a monk wearing the classic White Mage set can be confusing.

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"Hey WHM I need a hea--why are you in melee? Why did you dragon kick? Anyway I need a cure."

AF gear should be just that, AF gear. Not fancy dress for other jobs.

Anything else, I don't really care about.