What is the point of playing DPS..

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

This is one reason why I don't have a FC. In another game I had initially been invited to some guild,

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

I've also chosen to ignore the Mentoring system, because from that other game, yet again,

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I'm kind of mystified how you can base your opinion of this game's community off of an entirely different game's community.

Sounds like the perfect wifu to me, complete with absolutely no interactions with other males, SOLD Ill take it

I'm taking a break from the game, but I have a house and I want to keep it, and so I keep paying the sub and logging on. I do the weekly Wonderous Tail quest so I try to do it. I say TRY after suffering from the queue to get in the game, then the disconnects once I'm in, then I wait over 365 minutes to get in a dungeon or raid, while I add stuff to my house and rewatch the anime Bleach, and then I give up. I'm starving!!! 365 MINUTES??? And I stopped there because the REAL number of minutes would been bigger if I would stayed and kept waiting. When the game lauched, I waited 20-25 minutes to get in anything, and 6-9 months ago to recently, it was 10 minutes... but 365 minutes? Serioulsly? This is ridiculous!!!

I GIVE UP ON THE GAME!!!! MAN UP!

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Originally Posted by SargentToughie

Simply put, DPS roles are more fun, more engaging, more rewarding to optimize, look better, have better impact on their content, and are CLEARLY more favored for attention by the development team. Leveling Samurai alone has been more rewarding than any endgame tanking I've done in years. Why would I ever want to go back to tank, with WAR (my tank of choice) as brutally browbeaten into submission as it has been.

Everything I loved about Heavensward tanking has been nerfed into the floor. All that's left is a shallow, empty, boring husk.

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This kind of argument has never flown with me when it comes to non-DPS roles. If you're looking for adrenaline fixes through big number parses, tank and healer jobs were never--and should never be--designed for that purpose. I really don't feel sorry for DPS Tanks who made a mockery of the role and forced a STR tank mentality that SE thankfully knocked down late in Heavensward and buried outright in Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

This kind of argument has never flown with me when it comes to non-DPS roles. If you're looking for adrenaline fixes through big number parses, tank and healer jobs were never--and should never be--designed for that purpose. I really don't feel sorry for DPS Tanks who made a mockery of the role and forced a STR tank mentality that SE thankfully knocked down late in Heavensward and buried outright in Stormblood.

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I've always tanked to be an adrenaline junky, in any MMO.

The only sad part is that to satisfy any sort of need for excitement, tanks in XIV pretty well have to be trying to push DPS, not because "zomg it's DPS", but because it's the only other way skill is rewarded or further contribution allowed.

I kind of wonder if 5 man dungeons would be better. More buffs, higher dps, less reliance on individual greatness, less stress on the tank to do fabulous dps while holding threat. Maybe more people would tank if they were less make or break for a group.
Of course, more tank classes would help. Like how hard would it be to make a tank stance for SAM, one that can't be changed once inside an instance? Or doing the same for summoners with their carbuncle. Sure it'd be chaos, but it might be kinda fun, and at least you wouldn't be able to take a nap while waiting for a queue. Food for thought.

Point is to deal damage.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

I'm kind of mystified how you can base your opinion of this game's community off of an entirely different game's community.

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Why shouldn't I? The people act the same way in this game as the others, only SE seems to have more of a handle on the spamvertisements than the other games do, yet botting runs unchecked. If you're wondering where all your healers and tanks are going, check for PotD and low-level queue bots.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I really don't feel sorry for DPS Tanks who made a mockery of the role and forced a STR tank mentality

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Gordias forced a STR tank mentality. No one cared about the change to split str/vit outside of it being a 45/45 split instead of 50/50, which led to a drop in tank dps, which in turn led to tanks losing aggro, and what happened? Squeenix patched enmity modifiers.

In Stormblood they've changed it back to pure strength but tanks have a static amount of strength on their right side gear so history is in effect repeating itself, tanks took a dps hit and are struggling with enmity. Squeenix can patch enmity again but unfortunately it's a compounding problem, DPS jobs' dps, and in turn enmity generation, is going to increase faster than that of the tank jobs. So down the line we'll see this problem crop up again.

You could argue that tanks should just stay in their tank stance and 123 forever but you wouldn't have any tanks left before long.

Because everyone wants to see huge damage numbers on their screen.

Of course there is a *GLARING* opportunity for you to take a tank/healer and make the difference for your duties.

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Originally Posted by Sarevok_Thordin

Because everyone wants to see huge damage numbers on their screen.

Of course there is a *GLARING* opportunity for you to take a tank/healer and make the difference for your duties.

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Well said!

I just have to shake my head at these players of damage dealing jobs complaining about the queues. It all boils down to, "Why aren't other players switching to their healer or tank so I can play my damage dealer?"

Of course, it never occurs to these players that if they switched to their healer/tank even a little, it would bring the queues down.

Complaining to Yoshi-san isn't going to do a thing. The queues for damage dealers will only get shorter if damage dealers personally step up and play a tank or healer also. It doesn't need to be every run. Just pitch in a little each day and watch those queue times plummet.

You guys have to understand that 4.0 tanking is plain boring. As soon as all tanks will end MSQs and EXs, there will be no more tanks in the game except die hard ones.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Someone call an ambulance for all these tanks & healers who apparently broke their legs hopping off the bandwagon once they found out they actually have to DO their jobs as intended in Stormblood instead of gawking at their DPS.

The rush to get SAM and/or RDM to 70 will die down soon enough. Party Finder can prove useful, though, as long as a tank or healer joins the group. Duty Finder is pointless otherwise.

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Huh? What are you going on about? :confused:

We just spent two expansion arguing that healers and tanks should be doing their best to dps on top of their other duties and you throw this piece of garbage out? Whatever you are smoking, I don't want.

The issue is a lot of healers and tanks don't like what SE did to their favorite job and went searching for greener pastures. It has nothing to do with tanks and healers having to suddenly do their jobs as intended.

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

I got warrior to 70 and don't like it. So I am one of the ones bailing on tanks. Leveling a healer now though...hope I can help your queue soon!

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I got my old Main to 70 first (PLD) they ruined tanking in SB for me so i switched Samurai. Its just the job for me and im happy with it, even though i have to wait 50-70 minutes for one Ex dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

This kind of argument has never flown with me when it comes to non-DPS roles. If you're looking for adrenaline fixes through big number parses, tank and healer jobs were never--and should never be--designed for that purpose. I really don't feel sorry for DPS Tanks who made a mockery of the role and forced a STR tank mentality that SE thankfully knocked down late in Heavensward and buried outright in Stormblood.

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Ok, cool! Enjoy your hour long queues then. It's going to be a long expansion if you want us dirty DPS oriented tanks to shove off.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

It all boils down to, "Why aren't other players switching to their healer or tank so I can play my damage dealer?"

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No, it all boils down to:"Why does SE require more tanks/healers for content than the players are willing to provide?"

Pretty sure many DPS players wouldn't actually mind if nobody would play tank/healer if the content was conveniently do-able without (Which is easy to facilitate, as you only need to remove un-avoidable damage from the equation). It just isn't, hence the issue. SE demands a certain amount of tanks/healers for content, the playerbase doesn't want to supply that amount, hence queues.

Making new Healers and DPS jobs won't matter if players don't play them. The changes to both tanks and healers are being knee-jerked in most cases (Yes, some vocal players are expressing dissatisfaction here, this is a forum, you expect people to be vocal more on the negative).

I expect more healer and tank adjustments through the expansion, along with some DPS nerfs to tone the outliers down a little. However I don't hear many people stopping their Tanks completely, so much as putting them on the back burner to level jobs.

But hey, if you just want to play a DPS, PvP Queue hasn't been shorter these days. As far as progress through things going as a DPS - Find a healer friend?