Anima Weapon...should I bother?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

All off the point. I said Anyone can get HW relics, it is just about a month of dailies, I was able get 2 relics off dailies only, as an alt. I do not know what you are trying to get across to me. Me saying HW relics can have been goten by anyone since you can do them off dailies only, has nothing to do with FFXI relics. If you started say 3 months ago buying umbrite with lore, doing weekly and daily quests when needed ( 1 hr a day for dailies, increase to 3 hours for one day or 2 hours spread on meany days if weekly + dailies) you would have got it.

To have this hold true while doing that ^ for sands too at little cost without crafting or gathering, you do the amber levels, the squads and someone that has 1 60 crafting can easily casually get the crafting weekly done.
(repeating myself so just editing post)

---

Sands are easy to get and their are plenty of ways of doing it, from FC , crafting, amber ect. Your just nitpicking now. But hey to each their own. The point is people are too picky on what they are trying to accomplish by doing relics. Relics aren't for everyone and I would give you props on SUM relic, SCH well not a big fan. People make getting sand hard, it's always been easy. Umbrite has been nerfed and to be honest a bit disappointment that people still complain it's too hard. If people complain about relic weps they shouldn't be doing them. Even after soooo many adjustments people still want it to be easier... As for my reference to FFXI relics it's a contrast of what a true grind is. Relics aren't for everyone and people need to understand that it's not meant to be easy, it's not meant to be nerfed ( yet enough whining SE has listened ). They are meant to be time consuming. To say I have alternates it's a nice thing, I only have an alternate out of boredom. Why not try to actually max out your main and put your theory to the test? Oh wait God forbid you need to raise the actual jobs so of course that would involve work for some people which are probably waiting for jump potions. So just out of curiosity what is the name of your main? Curious to see it's stat and that may give you some credibility on your statements.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

What are you talking about? Sands are easy to get and their are plenty of ways of doing it, from FC , crafting, amber ect. Your just nitpicking now. But hey to each their own. The point is people are too picky on what they are trying to accomplish by doing relics. Relics aren't for everyoneand I would give you props on SUM relic, SCH well not a big fan. People make getting sand hard, it's always been easy. Umbrite has been nerfed and to be honest a bit disappointment that people still complain it's too hard. If people complain about relic weps they shouldn't be doing them. Even after soooo many adjustments people still want it to be easier... As for my reference to FFXI relics it's a contrast of what a true grind is. Relics aren't for everyone and people need to understand that it's not meant to be easy, it's not meant to be nerfed ( yet enough whining SE has listened ). They are meant to be time consuming. To say I have alternates it's a nice thing, I only have an alternate out of boredom. Why not try to actually max out your main and put your theory to the test? Oh wait God forbid you need to raise the actual jobs so of course that would involve work for some people which are probably waiting for jump potions. So just out of curiosity what is the name of your main? Curious to see it's stat and that may give you some credit ability on your statements.

---

What in the world O_o

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Relics aren't for everyone and if you really have to ask it just means they aren't really meant for you. No offense, they aren't for everyone, it's an exclusive type of membership :P

---

I'll make this very simple then. In FFXIV .. 3.5? + ? relics became obtainable by anyone. All you have to do is dailies and a few weekly quests for a month and you get the relic. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I am even proof of this by having 2 relics on this alt account.

https://i.gyazo.com/f5fe78faf04a9fc1...6110ffb359.png
https://i.gyazo.com/026527d14f4f5791...f542d8997d.png

This is not FFXI, they are meant to be obtainable by anyone, an option for non raiders, SE said this themselves.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

What in the world O_o


I'll make this very simple then. In FFXIV .. 3.5? + ? relics became obtainable by anyone. All you have to do is dailies and a few weekly quests for a month and you get the relic. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I am even proof of this by having 2 relics on this alt account.

---

So still no go on main huh? Well enough said.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

So still no go on main huh? Well enough said.

---

If someone has Relics/Animas on an Alt they probably have a few on their main account...

EDIT: I just looked at Ama's main for achievements, which is Aya Hamada, since they use both for the forums, and they have the achievements for i275 DRG Anima along with i260 WAR Anima. That means Ama/Aya has 3 complete animas with one at i260.

Still don't see your point of "No Anima on your main? I don't have a counterargument so I'll pretend I made my point." Just because someone doesn't have an Anima on their main character doesn't invalidate their point in the slightest. And if it does then please explain to me how.

How are people finding other's people's alts/mains? What is this trick? Is it google? If so how do you know what name to use if it is an alt? Like would you be able to find sony?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hikuras

snip

---

Ama uses their main and alt on the forums to avoid being stuck on one account due to post limit. They confirmed it themselves on the forums in another thread when I asked due to noticing same last name and similar first name.

EDIT#1: Also on each post you make, it shows your characters name to the right of your picture. On each post I make it shows me as "Wynne Yilmaz", while each post you make shows you as "In Duty".

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

Ama uses their main and alt on the forums to avoid being stuck on one account due to post limit. They confirmed it themself on the forums in another thread when I asked due to noticing same last name and similar first name.

---

Ah. Simple research and dev. Got ya. :D

The character thing under the forum name I see... but that's on the same account or one account. Unless someone mentioned their alts name how would you know where to look to see if say for example I said I have an alt but never mention the name. That is where I was confused. But you answered the first one as she mentioned her alt's name. So all is better.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

If someone has Relics/Animas on an Alt they probably have a few on their main account...

EDIT: I just looked at Ama's main for achievements, which is Aya Hamada, since they use both for the forums, and they have the achievements for i275DRG Anima along with i260 WAR Anima. That means Ama/Aya has 3 complete animas with one at i260.

Still don't see your point of "No Anima on your main? I don't have a counterargument so I'll pretend I made my point." Just because someone doesn't have an Anima on their main character doesn't invalidate their point in the slightest. And if it does then please explain to me how.

---

Obvious with the names and I did not want to waste a post replying to them only so I waited. Anyways I did not even know what he was asking to begin with, in why he was asking for my main... This is not FFXI, that concept was true for ffxi when you had like 150 people across all servers with them.

Do I need to collect 13 relics to show hey anyone can do relics by simply doing dailies then be accused I am saying sands are too hard?? i do not even know what to make of that post, hence why I said "what in the world" ? I was HOPING simplifying my post would get my point across hoping it was just a misunderstanding but.. I doono what else to say at this point, other then assuming he is salty relics vastly changed concept of purpose going from FFXI to FFXIV.

Also add on the fact 2.0 > 3.0, 3.0 is really casual in comparison, 2.0 ones.. the rng is unreal.. and making you do fates where some fates you need be there camping them because they fail in 5 seconds -.-

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

2.0 ones [Relic].. the rng is unreal..

---

I still have night terrors of the original relic steps pre-nerfs Almost all the steps felt like a challenge itself:

Base Relic needing Titan HM when it was very tough due to insane lag on launch and the low HP people had at the time.

Zenith originally needing 3 weeks worth of your capped tomestones. Thankfully Yoshi-P learned to stay away from using capped tomestones for Relic/Anima.

Atma Drop-rate being like 2% along with needing to farm 12 different zones.

Animus Books needing FATEs that sometimes took an entire day to spawn. Killing the 10x10 mob per book was also frustrating near release since people crowded the spawns.

Novus and the horrible RNG of trying to meld past Tier 2 Materia. So people either had to pump in a lot of gil at the time for a good weapon or settle with a subpar relic to avoid the staggering cost.

Nexus being the light grind to start them all.

Zodiac being the most insane step pre-nerf; 400k gil for vendor items, 8 HQ crafting items that needed Desynth for all 8 classes along with 2 big fishes, 400x4 Soldiery, 20k x4 GC seals, and needing to farm SIXTEEN different dungeons for a chance to get the needed key item.

Thankfully the Zeta step was a much easier version of the Nexus step, only with needing tomestones every 1 our of 12 steps of the way.

The only pre-nerf Anima steps that could compare to Relic steps like Animus or Zodiac in difficulty would be i210 and i240. i170 step may have been challenging to FATE farm but at least you had access to most or all of your toolkit, unlike most zones for Atma. Not to mention that the drop rate was much higher compared to Atma.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

Still don't see your point of "No Anima on your main? I don't have a counterargument so I'll pretend I made my point." Just because someone doesn't have an Anima on their main character doesn't invalidate their point in the slightest. And if it does then please explain to me how.

---

Unless they allow achievements to be viewed I can't see that. Not to question your integrity, however by them not mentioning that they have it as hidden for competitive reasons, or even suggesting that brings doubt after so many hints. SO unless your their friend and have access I really don't buy it on their end. Glad your looking out for them yet their is a difference in, he said she said. Example my profile can be viewed by anyone. I back up what I say and talk based on experience. I can understand if people are competitive and want to hide their achievements, ( to each their own ) However I trust a person on a logical level not a fictional one.

Now for your point about Main and Alternate...Everyone plays on different servers for a reason, friends, financial difficulties, ect. I would think most people would use their main in forums ( common sense varies based on perspective ) To give advice / express opinions, I would think they would at a minimum have credibility for us logical types that doubt and are willing to debate their experiences. It's not to attack anyone, it's to proof a point that there are people out there who have posted actual experience models and some that can't back it up.

If it's a matter of using alternates for posting restrictions, how is a person suppose to know? If they can't edit one response or minimum include that they are only adding more doubt.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

What in the world O_o


I'll make this very simple then. In FFXIV .. 3.5? + ? relics became obtainable by anyone. All you have to do is dailies and a few weekly quests for a month and you get the relic. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I am even proof of this by having 2 relics on this alt account.


This is not FFXI, they are meant to be obtainable by anyone, an option for non raiders, SE said this themselves.

---

Would have been easier just to allow access to your achievements public view. Relics are an alternative to raids yes SE did say that and I'm not arguing that. My point is that Relics aren't for any one who doesn't have the patience nor drive to do the grind. Why should people bother if it's so time consuming? The answer is simple, to stop saying that they are unable to get decent weps. What happens when people complain about relics being to hard? they gave diadem and still people complain. That is my point. When people can't put time and effort they make up excuses and still want it done easy. A month may be too much for some. Old content perhaps, newer even by tooth and nail I give it min 2 months tops 5 months with out a crafting jobs. A month if you have alot time is possible. Just not with daily alone.