I am so sick of Thok ast Thok.... (Nerf request)

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If you disagree, be an adult and offer a solution to her needs already in game or look for a compromise. I learned this in problem resolution classes in high school. Comon guys ![/QUOTE]

Hard to come up with a solution to the problem of thinking a fight is too hard when you get it in trial roulette... it's the normal mode primal in trial roulette... it's either dumb it down or removing it all together... or cope

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Originally Posted by Ageofwar

I think having the fight availble unsynced is enough of a nerf to warrant no further nerfs to be unneeded

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That was my point, it being available for unsynced is a functional nerf

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Originally Posted by Alehk

Well, half of the replies are either childishly rude, bullying, throwing insults or/and laughing at what she's proposing.
a quarter others are replying to her by making terribly gross exagerations "arguments" or talking out of their asses (babies easy, everyone and their mother, ALL of playerbase cleared that content, etc).

Bad players, new players and players who like easy contents have the same rights as any of you to enjoy the game. OP is saying she doesnt enjoy this part of the gameplay and propose a solution to her problem.
If you disagree, be an adult and offer a solution to her needs already in game or look for a compromise. I learned this in problem resolution classes in high school. Comon guys !

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OK while I don't condone any form of childishly rude, bullying, throwing insults or/and laughing behavior I do understand where is comes from in this case

OK right here is proof that a nerf is not needed https://youtu.be/MoFoz4kxWAY - party is a bunch of randoms including one new player to the trial. my ilvl is 270 not that it matters since the fight is synced at lvl 53. zero wipes and even zero deaths

I even happen to be on the same data center as the OP

Oh good, more crybaby boo hoo easy content nerfed because people are too stupid to perform basic mechanics. Its Steps of Faith all over again, even Steps of Faith flat out told you step by step how to beat it and people were still clueless.

Just because some people are too brain dead to kill adds doesn't make it hard.

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Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor

Oh good, more crybaby boo hoo easy content nerfed because people are too stupid to perform basic mechanics. Its Steps of Faith all over again, even Steps of Faith flat out told you step by step how to beat it and people were still clueless.

Just because some people are too brain dead to kill adds doesn't make it hard.

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I think the OP is the only one that thinks this trial need nerfing in this thread, in my last post I posted a video on how easy it is with random and as for the Steps of Faith, I think this is already covered on Page 2

Bottom line is, you'll ALWAYS have a chance to land a team with people unable to perform mechanichs adequately enough for the duty to be completed. Not wanting to sound rude or elitist, there will always be players not as good as others, and you won't always clear an instance first try, even if it's a an easy one. You can't handpick people you team with when you solo queue on DF - this does not, however, mean that x or y instance need to be nerfed to hell and back.

Lolno ravanna is fine stop being bad. Adapt.

I didn't think the add phase would be that tough.

In most cases, the thing that throws people off in hard mode is when Ravana targets the off tank during Defensive stance with Surpanakha. In the event the off tank is unfamiliar with the fight, the other party members might get cleaved with the damaging blast.

You what mate? Killing butterflies requires coordination? Are you doing it min il? If you get it in trial roulette, every.single.class can solo small butterflies before they drop swords, healers and tanks included. If people are attacking the boss instead, icemaging, having 10 APM, just stop justifying it. Boss difficulty is not the issue here. And yes, wipes on ravana are less common from my experience than on niddy. Deaths are common, but 2-3 swords, half of the group falling off etc is still a clear. Yes, 4 trials in the MSQ are tougher than the rest. What you ask for is boss basically killing himself so that the group can be any bad and still continue msq. Please no.

Sry op but this fight is super easy, I will not support your request to nerf this fight. Also what you said about "what would players do if they could get a free dodge?", player would dodge "steps of faith" hands down every time.
I know you must feel upset about your time with ravana but I can't help but take this request as a selfish one so I can't support you.

I support the players that want to get better and those who support other player to be better players. Asking for easier content won't make us better.

I very recently did trials roulette every day for exp and often got Ravana. Didn't see a single wipe. How about if you're having trouble with it, you start by asking if the people in the instance know what they're doing or need any advice? Then if there are newbies, explain the shields and adds shortly. You can even make macros with sound effects to use at the times you seem to have most trouble with. And you can also mark the adds with numbers to help your group to kill them in correct order.

Thok ast Thok is fine the way it is, and the problems you're describing is something that I rarely see happen. Not to mention that if a single player messing up causes too many swords to drop from the butterflies, then your group's DPS was garbage to begin with. Additionally, a lot of his abilities have a long casting time, and all of his abilities have a very obvious telegraph.

If you were to make him easier with the changes you proposed, then he would be a literal waking pinata. If that is what you're looking for, then you might as well go play WoW.

Ravana HM isn't that difficult of a primal. I would actually still put Titan HM above him as the majority of Titan HMs mechanics still can't be avoided even to this day. And he still wipes the floor with inexperienced PUGs. Ravana NM has a simple mechanic that we learn very early on: Kill the adds ASAP. What I will credit Ravana with is that this mechanic is very punishing if it is ignored, and because he has such a ridiculous amount of HP, it really sucks to start this fight all over again. Three swords will typically wipe the party unless they are overgeared and the healers are on point.

That said, I had a run of Chrysalis not too far back that could not be cleared. All because one simple mechanic was ignored, and that was kill the Aetherial tear asap when it appears. But nope, despite me placing a '1' marker on it, everyone still decided to run around like a bunch of loose feral Chocobos in a lightning storm.

If it just can't be helped, you might want to consider abandoning the duty. It sucks you've had difficulty, and that it keeps coming up. But just roll with the punches. It's roulette after all, and a total roll of the dice. You've just been unlucky.

I can solo that fight with my war.
Why not make a PF?

The only thing annoying about Ravana NM is the level sync to 53. I want to press DWT but I can't. :c

Doesn't this fight give you echo? If you wipe repeatedly, the echo would be the nerf of the butterflies.

HM Ravana shouldn't be this difficult. None of the HM primals (bar maybe Titan) should be giving too much grievance.

Maybe it's the luck of the draw on DF? It happens. I was fortunate enough to have beaten Ravana HM AND EX on my first play of them. I can't remember if HM holds the same for EX, but I know in EX if your DPS is good enough, you skip the butterflies. 30+ runs for the Rose Lanner got me so accustomed to skipping it that I had forgotten about that phase. :P

You can edit posts to bypass the character limit, by the way.

As for nerfing this already easy trial, how about no. The solution to make this fight easier on PuG groups is not to nerf it, because it's already easy, but to communicate mechanics in chat. If people don't know the mechanics, perhaps enlighten them on what they are. People not killing butterflies? Tell them to focus butterflies, not Ravana. Even simple things such as marking Moon Ganas gets most PUG's attention to attack it, not the boss. That alone should solve the issue of knockbacks during that phase. To solve knockbacks in other phases, instruct them on how to deal with his different parry mechanics. The mechanic of falling off and being out of battle for the rest of the fight is not a new mechanic either--that was present back in Titan normal mode, which is a level 34 trial. Just because it wasn't included in Levithan Hard Mode doesn't mean it should be absent from all other future trials. Most people get knocked off due to poor positioning; kindly instruct them to put their backs to portions of the wall, and to also be careful when handling mechanics that makes the walls crumble and disappear.

The idea to "kill adds" is a mechanic that has been present in even the earliest of solo instances, and is not a difficult concept to grasp. Even the first MSQ solo instance for each starting city state had a "kill the adds" mechanic, and the respective Scion NPC instructed players to do so (most solo instances afterwards also instruct players to dispatch of the adds before the larger threat). Also, one individual not contributing to DPS on the butterflies is not what causes wipes in that fight--more than likely, if you are wiping to swords, it is not the issue on one individual, but of the entire group, whether it be an issue of raw DPS numbers or an issue of people thinking they can push him and ignore mechanics (no, you cannot push HM Ravana like you can EX Ravana due to the level sync).

People struggle so much with a level 54 trial because it not only does not give those already at cap their full toolkit and full power to work with (which most get used to very quickly), but also because it actually requires players to do more than smash their faces on the keyboard. Same can be said for Bismarck Story Mode. The solution to success is not to just remove all mechanics because people are not willing to communicate and instruct those who are performing them incorrectly. If people are not willing to follow mechanics and continue to cause wipes, that's what the Vote Dismiss feature is there for, if it is really needed. Removing all mechanics most certainly will not provide any sort of real, long term solution.

Stop asking for nerfs. Learn mechanics, and follow them. It really is not that hard.

You're bad and you should feel bad.

Is it harder than Second Coil of Bahamut- Turn 4 unsynched where everyone keeps dying before second golems spawned because meteors were to close together? If so you must getting REALLY BAD groups duty roulette... also leveling crafting classes can help you save money on repairs... I figured that crafters were there just to kill time while waiting for new expansion to drop... but they help save money for end-game content... also yeah the normal/hard mode of Ravana is unbalanced because of the butterflies turning into flies which put Vulnerability Up stacks which you should ONLY SEE IN EXTREME/SAVAGE MODE!!! Also Hard mode dungeons since those are a thing...

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Is it harder than Second Coil of Bahamut- Turn 4 unsynched where everyone keeps dying before second golems spawned because meteors were to close together?

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To be fair, that one also has to do with RNG sometimes.

OP, have you considered, um. Explaining the fight to the group? Marking targets of interest so people will know what to burn? Told people to get away from OT during that phase? Just because not any pug group can faceroll a trial doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed. Sometimes a brief explanation is what stands between a very salty disband and clearing even a synced ARR Ex trial.

Did you actually just write an essay about nerfing a faceroll story mode primal? How is it hard? I can't remember the last time I wiped in that fight, pls explain how 1 player can fuck up the butterfly phase? You dont need remotely perfect dps or any coordination in that, just your average add phase.

Tam Tara has adds that make the boss invulnerable, three times, if level 15 sprouts can deal with that I can't see how level 50+ players can't deal with an add phase...

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Originally Posted by BlastHardcheese

Tam Tara has adds that make the boss invulnerable, three times, if level 15 sprouts can deal with that I can't see how level 50+ players can't deal with an add phase...

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When I did it, lot of people were undergeared at that point, still using their level 50 Ironworks. It makes the DPS check really close and a few mistakes will lead to an instant wipe. But, there are a lot more instant death conditions in that battle, kind of like when you fight Titan. You can fall of the arena and there's the adds and the stacking. It's just a sudden difficulty spike more than anything.

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

When I did it, lot of people were undergeared at that point, still using their level 50 Ironworks. It makes the DPS check really close and a few mistakes will lead to an instant wipe.

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Ironworks is i120 or i130 if upgraded.
- Dusk Vigil, the only dungeon unlockable before Thok ast Thok drops i120 gear;
- MSQ before Thok as Thok reward HQ crafted i125 gear;
- Sohm Al, the dungeon after Thok ast Thok, drops i130 gear.
How is having ironworks gear being undergeared, then?

Furthermore, since the only lv. 54 stuff is crafted i133 and the best weapon at this point is lv. 50 i135, the only way to have better gear than upgraded ironworks for this fight is having a complete set of i133+ (HQ if crafted).

Consider the following:

Git gud.

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

When I did it, lot of people were undergeared at that point, still using their level 50 Ironworks. It makes the DPS check really close and a few mistakes will lead to an instant wipe. But, there are a lot more instant death conditions in that battle, kind of like when you fight Titan. You can fall of the arena and there's the adds and the stacking. It's just a sudden difficulty spike more than anything.

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They're complaining about a few weeks ago levels of gear though, there's a bit of a difference.

Also: Titan HM as you said had that falling mechanic, and "adds" (prisons) and bombs, and a dps check and stacking (old WoTL strat.) It's not so much a difficulty spike as actually having mechanics you can't faceroll.

I have never had any problems with that trial. Have only seen enrage on it once in the past two years. most parties clear in 2 to 3 tries.