cant find a dps job in this game that i don't have a problem with

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Originally Posted by Mature

But this is something that's been on for decades I don't understand your point at all.

(An example, street fighter V is the same game for over 2 decades but with new characters and one or two new combos)

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I agree. I would even go so far as to say that all fighter games like this are boring and monotonous. You have your zone fighter, you body fighter, and so on. They all look fancy, but in the end, it's the same damn song and dance.

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Please never talk about fighting games again.

Someone does love their fighting games.

He is right though, isn't he Mature? We shouldn't talk about such things cause we have no idea what we are talking about. We should definitely come back and discuss this when we have more experience in the matter.

Actually I can without going too off topic.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2s6wxkw.jpg
(Ranked top 3 European player myself and top 15 world wide in SFIV and played V ranked top 50 world wide)

I wouldn't have mentioned without knowing what I was talking about...

Let's just keep this here so people knows who are they gonna be arguing about DPS when looking at his character for the past 3 years of "progress"

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Actually I can without going too off topic.

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Yea, but you aren't Rank 1. You are rank 3. Which is two ranks different from Rank 1. Clearly the Rank 1 guy knows more about stuff than you do on the matter.

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Yea, but you aren't Rank 1. You are rank 3. Which is two ranks different from Rank 1. Clearly the Rank 1 guy knows more about stuff than you do on the matter.

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I have to agree with him in this case

I'm just here cause I'm bored, nothing else to do, and I'm 270:56+ minutes on WoD. I get your point in how you don't believe his opinion is validated given his profile, but that doesn't invalidate the opinion entirely. He alone doesn't have the experience (As related to FFXIV) to express his opinion, but it is an opinion. I happen to agree on the basis of what he is saying, even if his backing is sub-par.

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Let's just keep this here so people knows who are they gonna be arguing about DPS when looking at his character for the past 3 years of "progress"

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what does you being rank 3 whatever have to do with DPS classes in this game being boring lol

I agree with RuleofThree, he has very good and valid points. Every job feels too samey and narrow. And if you look up my main I have all 60s (pld is now too it just needs to update lol) I am really hoping with this "combat" revamp they fix this mess. I mean go look at the current meta for raid clearing...everyone uses the exact same set up.

Also quit brd and mch as they both got cast bars...whyyy :(

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what does you being rank 3 whatever have to do with DPS classes in this game being boring lol

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why exactly are you asking this? you came up with examples that you were a pro in other mmos... same irrelevant argument than yours... I wouldn't take part in this discussions if i made the same mistake in my argumentation... just sayin' .___.

"dps classes in this game being boring"
You have smn lvl 33, mch 0, not even bard it is ARCHER lvl 22.
-you saying bard is easy, well it kinda is since you're actually archer level 22 which you have only 3 buttons to press.
-you have smn at level 33 which is fucking boring, although you didn't even reach level 60... When you NEVER stop pressing buttons on smn at that level.
-you don't even have mch unlocked to say all dps classes are boring.
-blm on level 50 is pretty much boring I know, but try to level it to 60 and try to keep enochian up and maximize your dps while you have to move to do mechanics.
-you have drg on level 50 and saying it's too hard to do the positionals since you only have 2.
Anyways idk what is the reason of this topic, you didn't even have all dps jobs unlocked (BARD and MCH) so pls, after making a post with all this hate first know the game and its class.

What dps classes did people who hate the dps classes in this game play in other games if they think ffxiv dps is boring or simple or all the same? I'm not even trying to take a side in the argument, I'm simply curious. If possible, I'd be interested to know specific expansions as well.

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"dps classes in this game being boring"
You have smn lvl 33, mch 0, not even bard it is ARCHER lvl 22.
-you saying bard is easy, well it kinda is since you're actually archer level 22 which you have only 3 buttons to press.
-you have smn at level 33 which is fucking boring, although you didn't even reach level 60... When you NEVER stop pressing buttons on smn at that level.
-you don't even have mch unlocked to say all dps classes are boring.
-blm on level 50 is pretty much boring I know, but try to level it to 60 and try to keep enochian up and maximize your dps while you have to move to do mechanics.
-you have drg on level 50 and saying it's too hard to do the positionals since you only have 2.
Anyways idk what is the reason of this topic, you didn't even have all dps jobs unlocked (BARD and MCH) so pls, after making a post with all this hate first know the game and its class.

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What dps classes did people who hate the dps classes in this game play in other games if they think ffxiv dps is boring or simple or all the same? I'm not even trying to take a side in the argument, I'm simply curious. If possible, I'd be interested to know specific expansions as well.

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As so many have already chastized the OP for, we can't really compare from other MMOs, but to give my answer anyway:

DDO (Dungeons and Dragons Online) was a good case for me on dps classes being sorely different at their core. Monks had flurry of blows and style strikes (If you know Dungeons and Dragons as a table top, you know where I'm geting at) There were 50+ feats to take that made finding someone exactly like your build impossible. Granted, there were popular feats, but not the same everywhere. Weapons and armor were so diverse that I am absolutely confident in saying it is impossible to find someone wearing the exact same thing as you...unless you sat down and made it happen.

This isn't even the same Genre...but Planetside 2. The glaring problem here is that the better guns require pay to play (Pay to win) but if you have the money to drop, you can completely build your gear set to be unique, and still viable.

Path of Exile. Have you seen the skill tree list? Google it.

The Secret World. To explain in two words: Classless system. To elaborate: You can literally build anything, in to any skill, at any time. The game had 'decks' to suggest 'tank type' classes or 'healing type' classes...but you did not have to follow them 100% your choice.

These choices alone kind of make FFXIV's cookie cutter classes look like shit (cause it is exactly that...shit)

I mean hell..remember FFXI? That game had more diversity in classes than this game does...AND the choice of equipment varied to the point that people swapped out what they wore between fights to optimize mana regen, and shit.

Oh, I wasn't looking to compare, I was just curious. I have all of those other than Planetside. In fact I might still play FFXI >.> The complication and individuality of gearing or build choices in say TSW or FFXI are certainly to be commended and yes, PoE talent tree looking like a representation of the human brain. Thanks for answering!

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why exactly are you asking this? you came up with examples that you were a pro in other mmos... same irrelevant argument than yours... I wouldn't take part in this discussions if i made the same mistake in my argumentation... just sayin' .___.

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because saying "i'm the best" and "i have a lot of experience playing MMOs" to validate your opinion on game design are two completely different things. being the best poses no relevance. sure, you know a lot about the game but but if simply being the best and saying DPS jobs in this game wasn't boring, made them, well, not boring then this game would be doing a little better. i didn't say i raided top 100 to invalidate anyone's opinion. I said it because you seem to think getting two threat abilities, an ability that makes your attack hit twice and another attack ability completely changes the way a class is played.

Even Armor Crush, which is really great didn't really change how ninja plays. It just made it less of a hassle.

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"dps classes in this game being boring"
You have smn lvl 33, mch 0, not even bard it is ARCHER lvl 22.

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sue me

all ranged dps classes are boring

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-you have drg on level 50 and saying it's too hard to do the positionals since you only have 2.

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there is a pretty distinct difference between "not fun" and "too hard"

if a tank ruins your burst sequence by wasting your GCDs or causing an ability to become useless by being an idiot with sporadic positioning then DPS becomes unfun to play. it is not as bad to play DPS in raid with FC but to play DPS in DF with every whiny entitled tank who acts like a baby about everything is simply a nightmare. these assholes punish you for doing your best, and being primarily a tank player I find it very frustrating that some tanks act like this. All they are doing is slowing down the whole group and they revel in it like the narcissistic pricks they are.

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What dps classes did people who hate the dps classes in this game play in other games if they think ffxiv dps is boring or simple or all the same? I'm not even trying to take a side in the argument, I'm simply curious. If possible, I'd be interested to know specific expansions as well.

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if a tank ruins your burst sequence by wasting your GCDs or causing an ability to become useless by being an idiot with sporadic positioning then DPS becomes unfun to play.

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OK so I guess you are thinking we are in 2014 yet, my friend.

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...a1964fdeccafe6 it's been a looooong time since they changed how drg's gcds works, it doesn't need a direction to be triggered anymore...
Means that you didn't touch drg since 2014 and you are here on this useless post saying shit about this class.

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all ranged dps classes are boring

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And yea, I still don't get it. You're saying that all ranged dpses are boring but you don't have half of them unlocked. By what I know on almost all mmos I played you need to reach on max level to know completely know the class and you have ONE of them on level 50.

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What dps classes did people who hate the dps classes in this game play in other games if they think ffxiv dps is boring or simple or all the same? I'm not even trying to take a side in the argument, I'm simply curious. If possible, I'd be interested to know specific expansions as well.

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Lineage II, I played Moonlight Sentinel, Ghost Hunter (was hero on both), also played Storm Screamer, I wanna say it was around 2007-2008 ish. In Aion I played the Summoner and Sorcerer class in end game in 2009. FFXI was Dancer, Ranger, Thief, Blue Mage and Samurai (Played nearly all jobs in FFXI, but those are the only "melee" ones I had played fully)

I really, really find every melee class in FFXIV quite boring, I am not too fond of "Bard"...I would LOVE a Ranger class and a support type bard WITHOUT a cast bar, we are not casters.

I dislike ninja also..would love a better dagger class, something without mudra, and my biggest gripe with NIN is how the attack animations are multi hit..but then its a SINGLE HIT, get outta here with that lol. I could go on for hours on end explaining my dislike for each melee job, but meh.

Summoner is my main, since ARR release. Before that, in 1.x..I played and enjoyed all jobs. Not anymore lol. Now they are all way too samey...I have leveled and tried them all at end game. I did enjoy Bard in 2.0 also..until that dreadful cast bar.

I find it amusing how people are showing up, supporting OPs main idea, yet he is still being treated as his opinion is invalid.

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What dps classes did people who hate the dps classes in this game play in other games if they think ffxiv dps is boring or simple or all the same? I'm not even trying to take a side in the argument, I'm simply curious. If possible, I'd be interested to know specific expansions as well.

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How close does it need to be to a WoW-style MMO? I haven't played WoW, but since the design principles are similar I don't think I would enjoy their DPS classes. If you cast the net a little broader... GW2, I enjoyed Elementalist and Engineer, for example. Firefall, back when it was playable, even the simple and straightforward assault class was pretty fun. If you're willing to go even broader than that... Heroes of the Storm, pretty much any of the Specialist role. Sgt Hammer for straight, high DPS, but sometimes characters like Sylvanas or Murky as well. World of Warships, Carriers, but sometimes high-DPS Cruisers.

Personally I'm aware that FFXIV's DPS design in inherent in the type of game it is so I'm not expecting the devs to wildly change it up. But it just probably won't ever be something I enjoy.

edit: Oh, to add one more. The Secret World! It doesn't have classes, but... I went assault rifle spec. Hybrid DPS and healing. It was fun. The combat in that game gets a lot of complaints but ARs were actually pretty well done, IMO.

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Means that you didn't touch drg since 2014 and you are here on this useless post saying shit about this class.

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i haven't played the game in a few years, crucify me lol i had more important things to do

but was i really supposed to come back to the game and play a class that was so poorly presented anymore than i already had? xD i mean just lol drg was racked with so much crap in 2.0 it was (imo) the worst class in the game to play and dragoon players would die to raid damage just because they were dragoon lol. i basically got relic because class looked cool and quit playing drg

it was so unenjoyable that i never even gave it a second thought whenever i'd play again but i may give it another chance

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And yea, I still don't get it. You're saying that all ranged dpses are boring but you don't have half of them unlocked

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i have never enjoyed ranged dps and never will

i basically only leveled my ranged dps for achievements back when i thought i was going to go in hard on this game before my work schedule got busy

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I find it amusing how people are showing up, supporting OPs main idea, yet he is still being treated as his opinion is invalid.

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He HASN'T GOT HALF OF THEM unlocked. His opinion is big load of nonsense based on his INEXPERIENCE against ACTUAL facts. He can't be bothered trying it so he cannot express an opinion about something he hasn't even done or tried. its outrageous

probably because they were too boring to unlock

i mean

theres these things called opinions. people tend to have them

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
Harlan Elliso

https://puu.sh/vKaNg/99f86540af.png

Still, that's some really huge bait.

do you like camaros

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He HASN'T GOT HALF OF THEM unlocked. His opinion is big load of nonsense based on his INEXPERIENCE against ACTUAL facts. He can't be bothered trying it so he cannot express an opinion about something he hasn't even done or tried. its outrageous

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But his opinion, despite his lack of backing it up, is still Valid. There are multiple people on this thread that say the exact same thing he is, and do have all jobs leveled to 60. I am one of them. My lowest iLevel on any job is 243, and my highest 260. The only thing I don't do his hardcore raid, cause I don't care enough to put out max deeps on my tank.

There are multiple people saying that dps is boring in this thread, and still you target just him. Yea..we get it..he has half of them still locked...you don't accept his word. Whatever...but that does not change the fact that he has a valid point, as evidenced by the people agreeing with him.

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Wait..I see what's coming next.

You: "See? You dont' have max level gear! You don't Raid and can't see dps in raid scenarios! Your opinion is invalid! Get on my level! I win!"

*shrug*

it wouldn't matter even if i did. right now its "omg ur not lv 60 shut up noob" next, it'll be "well you did the content after it got super nerfed and gear was being handed out so you still know nothing" lol

you can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all the people all of the time

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But his opinion, despite his lack of backing it up, is still Valid. There are multiple people on this thread that say the exact same thing he is,

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No one said his opinion was invalid, what got said is that his opinion is irrelevant.
You don't judge a movie that you havent seen.
Tbh the whole early game is boring yet you don't quit playing and come to the forum saying it's bad or "ez"

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I do have all jobs leveled to 60. I am one of them. My lowest iLevel on any job is 243, and my highest 260. The only thing I don't do his hardcore raid, cause I don't care enough to put out max deeps on my tank.

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I don't even understand why you feel the need to justify yourself?
Ilvl doesnt mean anything nor having everything 60 does, I don't get the point.

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There are multiple people saying that dps is boring in this thread, and still you target just him. Yea..we get it..he has half of them still locked...you don't accept his word. Whatever...but that does not change the fact that he has a valid point, as evidenced by the people agreeing with him.

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Well, since when having people agreeing with you started meaning you are right?
Maybe you're all wrong?
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Wait..I see what's coming next.

You: "See? You dont' have max level gear! You don't Raid and can't see dps in raid scenarios! Your opinion is invalid! Get on my level! I win!"

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Wow, I didnt saw that coming.
As for the "max ilvl" I'll agree this is shit.
Yet, if you have no experience in raiding you're not gonna learn how to dps in raid by doing your expert everyday.
But again, no one implied anything skill-related.


This is going way to far, it was said earlier, it's definitely a personnal problem not a game related one.


Anyway, if we're gonna play the "ppl agree with me" then I'll win, my first post got more likes.
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No one said his opinion was invalid, what got said is that his opinion is irrelevant.
You don't judge a movie that you havent seen.
Tbh the whole early game is boring yet you don't quit playing and come to the forum saying it's bad or "ez"

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*shrug*

I quit playing The Witcher 3 7 hours in just because it felt like I was questing in wow going around being everyones bitch boy. The game had such an impressive opening and then immediately dropped off into this very empty and linear feeling world that was supposed to be carried by some of the most boring gameplay I've ever indulged. People give me crap about it all the time, but the way I see it is if a game makes me feel like taking a nap after playing it for an hour then it is not a very good game.

To some people it wasn't that bad - to me, it was. But to be fair after playing MMOs for as long as I have I am completely burned out on gameplay like that. I mean, they didn't even try to hide it. The whole time I was playing the game it's like go here and do this for these poor people that can't do anything for themselves. Game couldn't have been more transparent and boring if the people you were doing things for were all amputees and paraplegics.

But I have never enjoyed playing ranged dps and honestly as long as I have been playing games it's really funny that someone would try to suggest that it is just... so far beyond my ability to fully comprehend how these classes play. Even if it were, it would be completely beside the point that I just don't enjoy ranged DPS or that many of the classes are just plain boring.

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do you like camaros

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A normal Opinion : "I (Don't) Like Camaros but i've never drived one so i may not like it once i do"

your Opinion : Camaros are boring

CY@

Btw i don't mind you saying it is boring or not what i mind on the other side is you coming here with aall your (Non-) Knowledge and stating that "ranged dps are easy" while you don't even have one of the Physical ranged at max lvl so okay you have the right to have an opinion but please inform yourself before talking nonsense =).

You got to the point in a very wrong way by saying it's ez&shit.
Even though you have the ability to expose your opinion just like you did right now.

Tbh, I know that feel, I can't play anything that is ranged, FPS aside, no matter what game it is, If it is ranged it's over.
It has nothing to do with being boring/easy or anything, it's just uncomfortable.

As for Melee in FFXIV, you might feel like it's boring or something but it has nothing to do with the design.
As a DRG Main, If you really wanna enjoy dragoon you gotta play until 60 then learn how to play with blood of the dragon, post 60 it's shit.
Ninja feels destabilizing when you pick it up since it's a different adaptative gameplay and it's more dynamic.
Monk is for me the easier even tho DRG isnt that harder, positionnals has never been a difficulty and you can't take retarded tank as a reason to argue it's bad or not.

And then if you don't enjoy any of them then just stick to warrior, idk.

Dude, for you, what is a good dps? What is your definition of a good dps?

I mean, okay, you don't like it, but the game proposes 3 dps and you just say you don't like it because: one is bad because of tanks (that a non-sense, if the tank is bad or the mechanics needs to make the mob moves, it's not the job's fault, btw you don't always need to move in DRG, just for 3-4 moves), the second because Greased Lightning... The first goal of the MNK: keep the ability always up and get the reflex to unleash a big attack when you know you'll lose it... How can you say it's a bad thing? You need to learn very well the job AND fights to know HOW to play it well... and the last one because... nothing, you just don't like it because.

Maybe you should play something else, maybe you're here because your mates said you're bad, but please, even if you don't like those jobs, don't say they are bad, because they aren't.

First and foremost I find your way of presenting things a bit, how to say it ... arrogant ?

It's your right to have an opinion but the least you could have done is to try those jobs at level 60 since most of them changed a lot. Dragoon has Blood of the dragon which makes the job feel really different and Monk got some great QoL skills that makes it a lot more enjoyable to play. Also ninja got aggro management skills and a few oGCDS, which indeed didn't change the core of the job.

I highly suggest to at least check out how those play in a raid environnement in order to have a clear view on how they play in the hands of good players. Claiming "this is bad and I don't like it" relying on outdated information won't get you anywhere.

Also, you can expect changes to those jobs in the upcoming expansion, we have little information as for now but we can expect more later this month.

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yesss dancer best, and samurai. haven't played much blu but my thief is 50!

If you play any class long enough you'll find a problem with it.

It's understandable you might have issues with jobs in this game, but I don't think you'll be satisfied with the new jobs. Looks like DPS jobs aren't for you, that's okay. I only enjoy SMN personally for my own reasons, not big on the rest (still need to play with MCH)

So you're probably better off staying as Warrior, or maybe the way they do the tanks may have you switching to another one. Good Luck Warrior of Light!

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It's your right to have an opinion but the least you could have done is to try those jobs at level 60 since most of them changed a lot.
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I highly suggest to at least check out how those play in a raid environnement in order to have a clear view on how they play in the hands of good players. Claiming "this is bad and I don't like it" relying on outdated information won't get you anywhere.

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This itself is pretty unreasonable. You really expect everyone to put in 10s of hours to level and gear up a job for raiding, and to find a group that's OK with "I'm just trying this out, I don't really like it but someone says I might like it in raid" before they can say they don't like a job?

To use earlier analogies... this is more than "never driven a camaro". This is "Shut up unless you're a 10 year veteran mechanic of camaros". PotD is the best pragmatically accessible preview of a job. And, you know, most games you don't need to experience peak endgame... which like the name says, is at the end of the game... to start having fun.

Kind of reminds me of that old FFXII defense. "It's fun once you're 20 hours in." Well, why should I play the first 20 hours then?

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I think I didn't express myself clearly, of course I agree with your statement here, what I meant is that he should at least see how the jobs plays out when used at full potential and at max level, and I by "see" I mean litterally.

Wether a friend shows him or just watch videos, guides or whatever fits (the raid scenario was to ensure a minimum in player skill).

PotD really depends on the will of the player, I personnaly use it to learn the basics of a job at max level, but always with a guide at hand so I can use all my skills efficiently, but I'm under the impression that most people just want the xp and don't use this opportunity to actually learn the job properly, but that's another topic.

To continue with your camaro example, my point of view would be more like "Okay you've never driven a Camaro, how about you ask people who did and do regularly so you can have a good view on what it has to offer ?"

All the OP had to do was say that level 50 DPS play was boring/easy. I would actually somewhat agree and accept this opinion. But ask anyone reasonable, and giving an opinion you have yet to experience is for the most part, completely invalid.

The only thing you can take from his opinion is that he "believes" it will be boring and easy once you get to 60. How he said it was just worded wrong.

In which case I would for sure say that you should try to get at least a melee and ranged DPS to 60 and see how you like it.
If you still don't like them, then perhaps you should try other games with more complex fighting. Although with Stormblood around the corner, it may be good to stick around regardless.
But don't forget that even once it hits your level 50s aren't going to notice much of a difference until you level them up. Lol

Op could have said "i have no interest in ranged classes, they don't fit my personal playstyle. I'm also not a fan of directional attacks so I'm finding it hard to enjoy DPS classes"... this would have been a perfectly valid argument. Saying something is boring but never having tried it or trying something you think is similar somewhere else is absurd. It's akin to saying you wont like vanilla ice cream because
It's white and round and reminds you of cauliflower, which you hate...

The forums never cease to amaze me with how salty an uninformed people are. I get you are frustrated and ranting, but dude. You' re just making lazy excuses and claims based off of incorrect and outdated information. It's like me saying the Chicago Cubs suck at baseball because they haven't won a world series.