Yokai Event

I'm just glad its over. Maybe I can use fates to level again instead of having hoards of people with 220 item levels finishing level 15 fates in 20 seconds. :|

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Let me see if I can put this into perspective. While technically optional, for some people not finishing the yokai event was absolutely not an option as soon as they got on that long arduous road. For these people, not completing the event would just eat away at them like some kind of psychological cancer. Similar to what someone goes through when they don't finish a diploma, but unlike school, the event is done. There's no going back to finish what you started. Sometimes, people eliminate their own options.

Eventually, coming to terms happens and you move on, but until that happens it is a really nasty feeling to have.

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It's just a digital ghost scooter dude.

I skipped the event because I find FATES to be one of the lowest forms of content the game has, particularly if it doesn't even add new ones and just has you grind normal ones for drops. Difference is I didn't get all pissy about not being able to get all the rewards for it. Learn from me.

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Originally Posted by UnaLihzeh

I'm just glad its over. Maybe I can use fates to level again instead of having hoards of people with 220 item levels finishing level 15 fates in 20 seconds. :|

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Considering the level sync, their gear wouldn't matter much.

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Originally Posted by Radiosuitcase

I skipped the event because I find FATES to be one of the lowest forms of content the game has, particularly if it doesn't even add new ones and just has you grind normal ones for drops. Difference is I didn't get all pissy about not being able to get all the rewards for it. Learn from me.

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Same. It's odd how the less you care, the more fun you have (typically).

As much as I hated this event and everything FATE related, I do believe that the reaction the OP has it's a little too exagerated. Afterall while the event is atrociously bad with nearly zero commitment involved into making it interesting, it was still optional and the time given was quite large.

Good thing I played YW way before this event: I must say that I would've probably avoided the game too, if this was the case.

Way to promote an amazing game!

I've fully completed every event since 2.0 launched, until this one. The prizes are are almost offensively bad, but I still regret that my 100% event streak has been broken because this event was so tedious that it killed my spirit.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

THEY POISONED OUR WATER SUPPLY, BURNED OUR CROPS AND DELIVERED A PLAGUE ONTO OUR HOUSES!1!!

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THE SICKNESS MUST BE PURGED!




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That said...

I ended up grinding my three tanks from the mid 30's to just about 50 throught this event... so yay?

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

As much as I hated this event and everything FATE related, I do believe that the reaction the OP has it's a little too exagerated. Afterall while the event is atrociously bad with nearly zero commitment involved into making it interesting, it was still optional and the time given was quite large.

Good thing I played YW way before this event: I must say that I would've probably avoided the game too, if this was the case.

Way to promote an amazing game!

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Yeah, I know it was optional, but i'm someone, who needs everything completed, especially when it's just there, waiting to be finished. But it really killed my spirit; it was literally the only thing I did, whenever I logged in for the first days of the event, thinking it will be just like the other events. I had to stop and didn't renewed my sub for a month. I read that it's not SE's idea for this event to turn out like this, but YW's?

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Originally Posted by Ralts

Yeah, I know it was optional, but i'm someone, who needs everything completed, especially when it's just there, waiting to be finished. But it really killed my spirit; it was literally the only thing I did, whenever I logged in for the first days of the event, thinking it will be just like the other events. I had to stop and didn't renewed my sub for a month. I read that it's not SE's idea for this event to turn out like this, but YW's?

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Speaking as someone who was in your position similarly years ago, take this opportunity to re-evaluate how you look at completionist mentality, at least when it comes to MMORPGs. If you must, without any question, get everything, then you need to learn to pace yourself accordingly.

Even when people say to spread out the grind, that's not always helpful, as might be your case. Some folks come out unscathed from non-stop grinding in as short of a timespan as possible. Others won't. Sometimes, no amount of pacing will help you avoid the burnout. That is where you need to learn when to stop, if burnout or distaste is not an acceptable outcome lol. Clearly you stopped too late, but that happens to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

It's just a digital ghost scooter dude.

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You think I did it for the mount?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

You think I did it for the mount?

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For me, the mount was the reason. Seeing people squished into that thing, the roe men havimg to hunch over on top of it, floating around Idyllshire, had me burst into real laughter. I had to have it.

But after getting it from collecting a wall of ugly minions, I had no desire to grind out weapons with any of those minions plastered all over them.

In fact, I got the Blizzaria rod thinking it was this lovely snowflake design.... Only to see her cartoonish face set squarely in the center. Ugh.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

You think I did it for the mount?

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Unless you really really wanted all those weapons, I don't see why else you would.

Gotta keep a grounded perspective. This is just a fanciful game. Missing out on a few digital items or phony achievements shouldn't eat away at you.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

You think I did it for the mount?

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I certainly did. I'll never use those weapons (even for glamour)...

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Unless you really really wanted all those weapons, I don't see why else you would.

Gotta keep a grounded perspective. This is just a fanciful game. Missing out on a few digital items or phony achievements shouldn't eat away at you.

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I did it for the achievements and because I like collecting things. Nothing Yokai related will ever see the light of day now that I have it all. :p

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Unless you really really wanted all those weapons, I don't see why else you would.

Gotta keep a grounded perspective. This is just a fanciful game. Missing out on a few digital items or phony achievements shouldn't eat away at you.

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The grounded perspective is how I got through this event.

When the yokai event was announced, and I heard about what it entailed and the duration of the event, I looked at weapons I would never glam, a mount I would never ride, and an achievement I don't care to have checked off my completion log. So why do it at all? That has got to be the steaming question, right?

It's not the destination my friend, it's all about the journey. I did this for the experience, and never griped once about the grind. When I got my very last legendary medal, I actually got kind of sad knowing it was over. I met a lot of nice and fun players during the event, learned the rotations and skills of many combat classes which will go a long way to making me a better player, and while I can't take any of the weapons or flashy mount with me, I do take the experience and memories created during the event. That is why I did it.

I completed it because I saw this event as a challenge from the devs, and one that not every player would accomplish. I simply wanted to be one of the players who did.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

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I completed it because I saw this event as a challenge from the devs, and one that not every player would accomplish. I simply wanted to be one of the players who did.

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Sort of like why Mallory climbed Everest. I think I get where you're coming from.

[QUOTE=Ametrine;3881863= Only to see her cartoonish face set squarely in the center. Ugh.[/QUOTE]

Why's that a problem? Blizarria is best waifu.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Sort of like why Mallory climbed Everest. I think I get where you're coming from.

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I think you always knew where I was coming from, but also are aware that is a rare perspective to have on things. So it is understandable to respond as you have.

Though I don't think I would have actually ever put my health at risk to complete yokai :p

Once I heard what would be involved to get the items and the RNG that it would take, I resolved to not even start the quest. I didn't have much interest in Yokai, but this event would have made me needlessly angry, just as every other Atma-like FATE grind has done. Obsessive FATE grinding combined with RNG is this game at its worst, and I did not want to convey to the bean counters that I "enjoyed" the yokai event by completing it.

The next time Level 5 comes out with a game that sounds fun at first, I'll remember this, and their twisted idea of "fun".

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Once I heard what would be involved to get the items and the RNG that it would take, I resolved to not even start the quest. I didn't have much interest in Yokai, but this event would have made me needlessly angry, just as every other Atma-like FATE grind has done. Obsessive FATE grinding combined with RNG is this game at its worst, and I did not want to convey to the bean counters that I "enjoyed" the yokai event by completing it.

The next time Level 5 comes out with a game that sounds fun at first, I'll remember this, and their twisted idea of "fun".

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All jokes aside, what irked me most about Yokai wasn't the grind, but the sheer lack of creativity. What little story there was for why the Yokai appeared was dull, the game cared far more about "your new friends" then I ever did and it boiled down to do the same old fates from ARR. Oh! But not those two zones we know y'all love to farm for EXP. Even if they added something silly like completing a number of fates spawned a a hunt-like Yokai we get to murder. And it drops more legendary medals. Events like this I'm just like... "If you're not going to even bother. Can't you have the design team make some new FF related minions instead? I'd rather just grind for those."

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Technically, yes - but for people who enjoy collecting mounts and minions to the point where that consumes a lot of their time and focus in-game? Not so much.

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Was there really someone who had problems to collect all minions?
The grind started with the weapons.

I skipped on the yokai event because I still have PTSD from the orignal zodiac weapon grind. Never again.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

It left me at the end wondering where I left off. I completely forgot what other goals I'd been working on in XIV before this started. Ended up just doing a few random sidequests yesterday. What other goals did I have here? Let's see... I think I'd been doing relic stuff.

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This was what happened to my wife and me as well when we finished. It took a few days of FATE detox before we were back to our old selves.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I think you always knew where I was coming from

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I honestly didn't. But it does pay to try to understand different perspectives, so I try to keep an open mind.

So long as you had your enjoyment from it, it's not like I can't fault you for anything.

My gripe wasn't as much with yo-kai as with ff14 RNG in general.

I would have done the last 3 weapons if i was getting a paced medal input. I was not.

When i bring up RNG in ff14 people mostly tell me it fits the marked averages but only on multiple thousand pool statistics. When i try to craft one or two HQ thing and i get ridiculous luck, i am not going to try a thousand more times just to see if it meets the marked %. Also i regularly get streaks which are way off the marked averages.

I will do the world a favor and post my random function:

/* Random(23); will give you 0-23 with a fair chance to 0 and 23
FALSE
{0,0 0,1 0,2 0,3 0,4}=0
{0,5 ... 1,4}=1
{1,5 1,6 1,7 1,8 1,9 2,0}=2

TRUE
{0,0 0,1 0,2 0,3 0,4}=0
{0,5 ... 1,4}=1
{1,5 ... 2,4}=2
{2,5 2,6 2,7 2,8 2,9 3,0}=0 */

function Random(limit){
value = Math.round(Math.random() * (limit + 1));
if(value == (limit + 1))
value = 0;
return value;
}

The sad thing is the code most likely already has a random function. Editing it would take under 30 sec but it's 30 sec they wouldn't be bothered to take.

This change would not impact large number random. But small number random are heavily affected.

How would you feel playing against an identical faced coin toss?

I have to agree with those that said they felt a bit disoriented after grinding out yokai.

I by no means grinded the whole thing stright, but all my 'downtown' between roulettes went to helping get me and my partner through it.

After doing this for a month - once we were done we had no idea what we had been doing originally and questioned the point of even logging back in.

It really broke ff14 game immersion for me.

It's interesting reading people speaking of feeling disoriented after completing the event. I had a similar feeling. For a couple of weeks I assigned myself a daily quota of medals to acquire until I got all the weapons, and my daily routine in game essentially revolved around the Yokai event. Once I finally finished everything I was at a complete loss for what to do. I couldn't even remember where I was at in my various other activities in game. I ended up just giving up and not playing much at all until 3.4 rolled around.

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Originally Posted by Elim

I skipped on the yokai event because I still have PTSD from the orignal zodiac weapon grind. Never again.

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I'd imagine a good number of people that skipped it feel the same. Honestly, I don't mind the thoughtless grinds, like with FATEs. I'm just one of the rare ones that actually gauge my own interest and realistic enjoyment to time I could spend doing/playing other things (on or off XIV). Spent most of my 20's playing MMORPGs and trying to collect/do all the things, so I think I've hit my lifetime quota with wasting time doing things for the sake of it, regardless of regret in the end.

While it may be optional, I don't think that excuses making it a long and tedious fate grind. I just hate that a lot of the time their default for something being "difficult" or "taking time to get" seems to default to fate grinding. I have no problems with something being hard to taking time but it seems like almost everything goes right back to fates, especially events. Even for a fate grind, this seemed a little over the top.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

It's interesting reading people speaking of feeling disoriented after completing the event. I had a similar feeling. For a couple of weeks I assigned myself a daily quota of medals to acquire until I got all the weapons, and my daily routine in game essentially revolved around the Yokai event. Once I finally finished everything I was at a complete loss for what to do. I couldn't even remember where I was at in my various other activities in game. I ended up just giving up and not playing much at all until 3.4 rolled around.

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I found it interesting as well, and went through the same thing. I even joked about it with my FC saying that after yokai was over, I would lose all purpose. I had a daily quota as well, and would feel guilty if it was not met, or if I decided not to log on for that day. Once it was done, it definitely felt like something was 'missing', but it didn't last long and I got back into the normal swing, or I rather should say: what I was doing before yokai.

Though I wonder where my progression in the game would be at this point if not for the event, I don't dwell on it much. I don't regret the time I allocated towards completing it, especially since slow and steady progression is kind of how I work. :P

It's not optional. If you want the rewards, you have no other option but to do this torturing boring quest.

next time I want a glowing sperm imma just microwave my testicles.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Considering the level sync, their gear wouldn't matter much.

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Serious question, if the item level scale perfectly down why do I personally do better damage and have higher MP/HP as a WHM using higher level gear, than i do of level gear? I mean, it's not that I'm bad at the game, I can finish certain level 15 fates in 30-45 seconds wearing item level 120 gear, so. I have never seen this happen with hoards of people geared of level.

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Originally Posted by UnaLihzeh

Serious question, if the item level scale perfectly down why do I personally do better damage and have higher MP/HP as a WHM using higher level gear, than i do of level gear? I mean, it's not that I'm bad at the game, I can finish certain level 15 fates in 30-45 seconds wearing item level 120 gear, so. I have never seen this happen with hoards of people geared of level.

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When you're synced down you have the highest possible stats from your gear (for that level) and usually leveling gear doesn't have that much.

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Originally Posted by ElasmoFan

While it may be optional, I don't think that excuses making it a long and tedious fate grind. I just hate that a lot of the time their default for something being "difficult" or "taking time to get" seems to default to fate grinding.

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Or another option for "dufficult/taking time to get" is to lock it behind old raids, like Wondrous Tails. It'll be like Blizzard upset people aren't running Icecrown Citadel any longer so they make current content that makes you run it :p.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

When you're synced down you have the highest possible stats from your gear (for that level) and usually leveling gear doesn't have that much.

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Ahhh, that makes sense. Thank you.

My original point pretty much remains then, it wasn't like I thought it wasn't scaled back at all or something. There is just clearly a difficulty change based on the kind of gear you have. Either way, I can now level other classes through fates again since the grinding hoards are gone, so I don't really care on the technicalities.

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Originally Posted by ElasmoFan

While it may be optional, I don't think that excuses making it a long and tedious fate grind. I just hate that a lot of the time their default for something being "difficult" or "taking time to get" seems to default to fate grinding. I have no problems with something being hard to taking time but it seems like almost everything goes right back to fates, especially events. Even for a fate grind, this seemed a little over the top.

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Far as I'm concerned, "optional" has become an excuse the game industry likes to throw away to dodge criticism. Yokai is particularly egregious as we basically had a content drought throughout August and their solution was this event. If one good thing came from it, I finally picked up Saints Row 2 again. Needed a chill game after RNG hated me. :D

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Far as I'm concerned, "optional" has become an excuse the game industry likes to throw away to dodge criticism. Yokai is particularly egregious as we basically had a content drought throughout August and their solution was this event. If one good thing came from it, I finally picked up Saints Row 2 again. Needed a chill game after RNG hated me. :D

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I think you have the right of it. It's not just the industry either - it's something many consumers have come to parrot as well. As much as I enjoy the game and despite having a disposable income I'm finding myself increasing worried as a collector of minions, mounts and interesting glamour. Why am I worried? Simply put I dislike the rate at which interesting items are cropping up on the Mog Station as 'optional purchases' instead of being available in-game. I'm also not a fan of content being tedious for the sake of being tedious which is pretty much what the Yo-Kai event ended up being.