You might feel at the mercy of your healer, but I feel like I'm at the mercy of the dps just as much. If the other team pulls 100k more damage than mine, there is a very high chance I'm going to lose if the healer on the other side is anything decent and pulls similar healing numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedHerb
Enough with the Feast matchup nonsense
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09-08-2016, 03:05 PMThekk
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09-08-2016, 04:42 PMFebrusIt's the same story on all sides of the board, if we're being honest. Role divisions ensure that having one major deficiency on the team in any position can be catastrophic, because the remaining jobs do not have the tools to adequately cover for that deficiency. We can supplement one another, but we cannot substitute for one another. All things considered, I've seen just as many matches get thrown out by bad heals as I have by bad dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thekk
The real problem is avoiding repeat performances, because the DF has a tendency to lump the same people together in consecutive matches. In some cases, it can't be helped. There just isn't enough players to go around. It's definitely something to watch out for, though. If I start to see the same faces over and over, I consider just calling it quits for the night or taking a break for a while (maybe run a roulette or something) to let the DF reshuffle the players. -
09-08-2016, 10:49 PMKai_Lee
Instead of all the blaming and trash talking your own teammates, considered working as a team to shore up your weaknesses and exploit the other team weaknesses.
I also see some of the most toxic players are newbies with no goal trying to advance in the feast. -
09-09-2016, 12:58 AMThekkI'll agree that most of the toxicity I have seen comes from players unfamiliar with the inner workings of the Feast and PvP in general. Particular cases that struck me was the tank with 10 stacks expecting me to keep him alive through the 15k damage he took in a second or people that look at the healing scoreboard and complain that the nocturnal astrologian didn't have as much healing as the white mage on the other team (if his number was half the other, he did). On the other hand, to say they have "no goal" is probably inaccurate as they wouldn't have a reason to complain about anything otherwise. Veteran players know the music and might show some disappointment (and I'm usually even more disappointed myself because sometimes I know I could have done better and kept them alive), but they'll quickly move on and go back to the match. That said, I'm probably not the best example because, without being the best healer out there, I do think I do well enough.Quote:
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09-12-2016, 05:38 AMCommander_Justitia
If I am bad at pvp I wanna play against other bad players.
If I am good in pvp I wanna play against and! with other good players.
It is a joke when people tell newbies to go feast 8vs8, because it is dead. Then they go shatter and destroy ice crystals 24/7.
Besides all other potentially flaws this is what disturbs me most and I dont know if new pvp content can compensate this issue.
They need a bigger pvp base I know, but there can be better solutions as to throw them all together just so the queue is 30sec shorter.
Some people just like the very essence of pvp and to join into an epic battle with players on both sides who know what they are doing is the best thing that can happen in terms of fun. -
09-12-2016, 06:14 AMAviars
I actually had a game where it was two platinums and two unranked players vs a gold and silver team.
The double platinum team lost obviously.
It is pretty asinine to think simply balancing the numbers will create balanced teams that will provide fair games.
edit: I actually found the game on my twitch stream vod. They had one bronze player but the unranked summoner on my team has been playing for months and still hasn't been able to get 8-10 wins to get out of unranked. Shows how god awful some of these unranked players are that they can't manage to win a at all. Matchmaking in any game aims to make people have a 50% winrate in the rank they belong in, but these people just aren't able to win!!! It is disgusting. I have said before that some people literally deserve negative rating because of this because the matchmaking really is a joke.
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09-12-2016, 06:19 AMKfLeX
That why I just stopped feast, taking a break from it. I could just never get above silver. I played feast like hours a day too.
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09-12-2016, 06:57 AMKfLeX
edit: I actually found the game on my twitch stream vod. They had one bronze player but the unranked summoner on my team has been playing for months and still hasn\\\\'t been able to get 8-10 wins to get out of unranked. Shows how god awful some of these unranked players are that they can\\\\'t manage to win a at all. Matchmaking in any game aims to make people have a 50% winrate in the rank they belong in, but these people just aren\\\\'t able to win!!!
I always wonder why players that run feast for that long can\\'t even get bronze. They must be tomb farming or just messing with players matches. -
09-12-2016, 07:18 AMIlan
Wow this thread could also be in the League of Legends forum aka: "I belong in challenger but i don't get out of bronze only because my team is bad!"
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09-12-2016, 09:27 AMSuperZayYou can carry only so much before wreaking yourself. A good healer can't carry bad dps. A good dps can't carry a bad healer. Tanks though should have 50% win rate with any team composition because they least influence the match (they are basically not-targeted semi-melee if a WAR, not-targeted semi-healer if a PLD and a waste of space if a DRK).Quote:
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09-12-2016, 01:04 PMInstrumentalityExcept for this to be true you would need to have a matchmaking system in League that would match a Challenger and four bronzes against 5 Diamond players and consider that 'balanced'.Quote:
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09-12-2016, 01:09 PMAstral145
have you stopped to think that maybe just maybe majority of the players who do queue up happens to not really give a to.Ot about it in the first place.... most are just there for the marks so they can get some PVP glamour...
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09-12-2016, 02:15 PMAnchored0wlWe do not even have to stop to think about it... it's apparent that this is the case however those doing this should use frontlines if they would like PvP glamour.Quote:
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Or since no one does light party, nor takes it seriously they could easily get some friends together and do premade 4v4. There ARE alternative sources besides ruining matches for those who have fought tooth and nail to maintain their rating. -
09-12-2016, 09:04 PMIlanBut you forget one very improtant thing: There is no price at the end of the FF PvP season. So why are people getting mad? Only because they have inexperienced players? Or is it because they don't get a big E-Pe... because of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Instrumentality
Instead of getting mad, people should help the people with lower exp in there, to get better players instead of getting mad about them, but thats sadly the PvP in every game.
PvP in FF is just for the fun, gear is useless and there are no prices if you have the biggest one. So help the people in your team and win as a team and have fun with it! -
09-13-2016, 05:09 AMFebrusFirstly, there are rewards for ranked PvP in FFxiv. The top 100 players get an exclusive gear set. There are also challenge titles for silver rank and up, as well as identifying accessories for your rank as well as a seasonal trophy for making it to the top. The fact that these rewards are not monetary or useful in any way makes no difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilan
Trophies in real-life sporting events are, essentially, useless. They just sit on shelves and collect dust. That doesn't change the fact that people want and strive for them when they compete. It's part of a competitive spirit to strive for victory. That desire is the part of competitions that competitive people typically enjoy, hence why they compete in the first place. If a person doesn't share that spirit of competition, then they should be playing something else (Front Lines, for example} rather than blaming competitive people for taking a competition seriously. That's kind of the point, after all. There doesn't even have to be rewards. As long as there is a top, a bottom, and ranks in the middle, then that's all you really need. The top ranked player could get nothing more than bragging rights, and they would still be in the right for taking the competition seriously.
Secondly, we have been asking - in fact, we've been practically begging - SE for an adequate means of training new players on how to PvP. There simply isn't one, at the moment. The dialogue entries for PvP are a joke and do next to nothing to prepare new players for an arena experience. There is no mandatory introductory tutorial or quest for PvP. There is no practice or training mode. The mentor system does not function for PvP (save for giving you "mentor" status ... which is useless). There's no progression system for explaining unlocks, PvP abilities, Ability Points, Gear Sets ... etc.
In short, we do not have the tools to help new people in PvP, and the 1 minute you have at the start of a match is not nearly enough to explain their role. Some of the abysmal dps numbers I've seen in some matches wouldn't even be acceptable in the easiest of PvE trials. How would you expect a seasoned player to "help" that person in the heat of a match? The answer is, they can't. Even if they know that job backwards and forwards, it's not possible. By the time a player that inept has joined the match, it's already too late.
This is why a lot of us are excited for the Dueling Deck. It actually gives us a way to teach interested players certain things and give them an idea of what to expect before they get into the match. Quite frankly, even that is not enough, but at least it's better than nothing, which is what we have now.