Targeting options. Please add it!

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Originally Posted by Kio

How are you supposed to change the target focus (enemy, friendly, all) via a gamepad only? I can't seem to figure this out. Do you have to map a button? None of the native ones do anything.

Also, on that same note, how are you supposed to access the chocobo call, food pack etc buttons on a gamepad only?

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For me, I push down on the left analog stick and press X,Y,A or B. I use a Logitech controller. I don't remember setting this up, but I just discovered it by accident.

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Originally Posted by ApplePie

Do you use enemy only targeting? I never have this issue. Depending on your targeting mode, it puts priority on how you target. I never have an issue of targeting something extremely far from me. It always targets what is nearest to me. I just don't see your issue in the game. We had what you wanted at first, like I said, and it wasn't any better than what we currently had.

I don't mind if you played since Alpha.

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I play with target style A with enemy only filter (left/right targets mobs up down targets PT members)

This is how it currently works :


---|-O1--------------O5|---
----|----------O2------|----
-----|----O3----------|-----
------|---------------|------
--------|----O4----|--------
---------------X------------

You are X and the camera is perfectly center behind you. Under our current targeting priorities if you cycle through the mobs left to right the fist mob to be selected will be mob: O1 followed by O3 > O4 > O2 > O5.

if you cycle right to left it goes O5 > O2 > O4 > O3 > O1

If you want to target the closest mob ( O4 ) you have to at least target two other mobs to get to it UNLESS you swing your camera so mob O4 is the left most or right most mob in your field of vision.

THIS IS WHAT I PROPOSE:

I would like an OPTION to have targeting to be Radial (closest to furthest ) from your field of view. if this were the case
then mob O4 would be the first to be targeted.

If you go from left to right it would go O4 > O3 > O2 > O1 > O5

from right to left O4 > O3 > O2 > O5 > O4

How often in game are you trying to target something further away then something close to you? Not often enough to have this current targeting system as the standard or at the very least the only option.

The action is always in front of you 99.9% of the time the action is closer to your character than further away. Having a targeting system that reflects that only makes sense.

maybe is should draw a picture.

this is the best thread i have ever seen, please devs comment about this! >.<

For the sake of Stronghold-style NMs with several henchmen mobs, it's be nice to be able to just click F12 or something have have the nearest NM targeted automatically.

Can we get a rep response to this? Any insight if this request will be passed along to the devs, if plans are in the works for the near future, for ver 2.0 or does a targeting system like this have a snow balls chance in hell of ever seeing daylight?

Or do I have to photoshop a picture of an Opo-opo and a malboro, cause those posts seem to get a fast reply. This thread was created a month ago.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...-targeting.jpg

there made a photo.

I worked hard on that picture!

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

Actually, how do I set up Targeting A's filter? I tried clicking on it, and nothing. Is there a text command?
Wish there was a quick way to adjust the filter of A w/o clicking. (Similar to how I suggested active/passive mode.)

Also, short explanations of each shoulda been in the UI.

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It's hidden on the controller. You have to press Auto Run button and then one of the face buttons to set it to one of the filters.) It's pretty handy, but you have to know where to look. :)

this was posted on 5/20/11 when the devs were askign for targeting feedback yet no response was given...

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Originally Posted by Jesi

Ok, this is hard to put into words, but to put it simply, I'd like to see the "targeting cone" used when cycling through targets to be narrower, like it is in FF11.

When I say targeting cone, I mean the targets that you would cycle through when you hit (Tab / numpad 0), or whatever button it is on gamepad. The reason I say this is because the current cone is absudly wide and makes it harder to target things.

In FF11, the target cone seemed to be pretty narrow and was very predictable... meaning if you face your character/camera in the right direction, then hit Tab to start cycling through targets, you had a good idea what would be the first target (always the left most item in the target cone). Most FF11 veterans got good at this and could easily target something with just 1 or 2 Tabs since we knew which way to face our character/camera to target what we want.

Here's a ascii diagram since I know this is hard to understand.

Legend
& = character (facing north)
x = indicates target cone
- = not target cone
number = a targetable item


FF11 Target Cone (1st person view)

xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-xxxxx3xxxxx-
--xxxxxxxx4--
---xxxxxxx---
1---x2xxx----
------&----5-

If you had no target, then hit Tab to start cycling through targets, this would be the order of what gets targeted:
2 >> 3 >> 4 >> repeat

If you changed to third person view, it would sort of be the same, except it would be more based off the direction the camera was facing rather your character, but it was still VERY predictable and quick for targeting.



FF14 Target Cone

xxxxxxxxxx4xx
x2xxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxx3xxxxxxx
xxxxxx&xxx5x
xxxxx---xxxxx
x1x-------xx6

No target then tab, cycle would be:
1 >> 2 >> 3 >> 4 >> 5 >> 6 ... it should be 3 first!


In 14, the target cone seems to be MUCH wider, which often gives priority to targets you really didn't want to target. Most common example... the market wards! You could be facing a retainer RIGHT IN FRONT of you that you want to target, but when you hit Tab, the first target is some retainer WAAAAY behind you in some obscure corner... wtf? There are plenty of other examples in other situations (particularly battle), where the target cone is very inefficient and results in alot more "tabbing" than neccessary.

Yes, I realize the new "target mode a/b" was implemented to help with targeting during battle, but honestly, I don't like target mode B. It's more time & work to have to cycle through different "target modes" than it is to just target everything with a more predictable target cone. I mean, it worked fine in FF11, why not here?

God only knows how many times I'd try to target a mob that I'm staring down point-blank, only to have some enemy WAAAAAAAAAAY in the distance get targeted when I hit tab. I have to use a "/targetnpc" macro whenever I want to target an enemy because otherwise I'll be targeting everything but the mob I want. And even then, "/targetnpc" only targets the right mob the first time when I'm practically inside it. Is this really how these features are supposed to work?



Anyway, I digress. I know some people will say, "its fine the way it is, get used to it", but I am really having a hard time doing so. I played FF11 for 6-7 years and found the targeting system to be very efficient and fast. So having to deal with 14's target cone is extremely awkward. The fix to all this targeting frustration is so simple, I can't believe the dev team came up with "target mode a/b" thinking that would do it. I mean it's a neat feature, but it just makes things more complicated without fixing the core problem.

I can't be the only F11 veteran who feels this way....

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Wow, seeing as many people complain about the targeting systems in this game, I'm surprised people don't use WASD and their mouse more often, it's a Godsend for me. I never use Tab or the arrow keys unless I absolutely have to.

Need to target myself? Click me or my name.

Need to repair someone's gear? Click on em.

Need to adjust the camera angle? Hold down right-click and drag, or use the mouse wheel for zoom.

Need to Cure a party member? Click on Cure in my Action Pallete, then click on their name in the party list.

Need to engage multiple enemies? Double-click on the first one, then click on the other ones to switch targets and start auto-attacking. If I need to stop attacking for some reason, just click the background.

The only problems I have is in areas like the beastmen strongholds where there are tons of enemies and people bunched up together to accurately click on a single target, in which case I'll usually just hit F8 and Enter to target the closest mob and hope for the best (lol Storm's Path). Even then, I can still hit F1 to target myself, or click on someone's name in the party list to target them.

And as far as I know, I'm using Target Mode A, I think. It says "All" on my HUD, anyway. I haven't really messed with it much, other than to turn off that annoying camera-centering on whatever you're fighting.

Yes, please change it D;

maybe today will be the day this gets a rep response?

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Originally Posted by Griss

2) The thing that catches me up most times is that the change target filter buttons are the same as the buttons to change your active hot bar. when you have the hot bar set to always display like i do accidentally switching away from the enemy only setting to party or friendly happens way to often.

The target falls just a little bit sooner then you were expecting and at the same moment you go to switch between hotbars. Seems you're not locked onto a target any more the up and down keys revert to switch filter mode. then you stand there like a gimboid for a couple micro seconds wondering why the hell your not attacking. And then you feel like a moron of the highest order.

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You can change that
I changed it from ↑ to Shift+↑

Rukkirii!!!!!

Bayohne!!!!

NEWS TEAM ASSEMBLE!!!!!!

back up top.

lets see if this works:

http://i.imgur.com/TalNS.jpg

Pancakes approves the thread.
Targetting needs to be fixed gentlemen~

How about why does the party menu not show You the Player on the top of the party menu on the UI? I guess I'll have to wait for 2.0 for that.

Wait you can change your active hotbar without clicking with the mouse? (Keyboard only)

BUMP!

lol I know to early he was goign to do it everyday, but i feel this is a major issue that should be worked on after jobs comes out. sick of targeting mobs 1/2 way across the map when 5 mobs infront of me attackign pt memebers and i have to cycle though ones not even close to me.

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Originally Posted by DoomCky

BUMP!

lol I know to early he was goign to do it everyday, but i feel this is a major issue that should be worked on after jobs comes out. sick of targeting mobs 1/2 way across the map when 5 mobs infront of me attackign pt memebers and i have to cycle though ones not even close to me.

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Not that this lessens, by any means, the need for proper targeting, but we are getting an /assist in the next update. Which should allay some of your concerns about quickly targeting mobs attacking party members.

/assist won't help when you are trying to target a mob close by behind others. Like trying to line up a AOE WS on lancer. You still hav eto cycle through multiple targets not even close to you.

p.s.
Bump

just finished up another SH party....

MAN! I wish we had better targeting ......

We're getting /assist and <bt>. :D

Also: Use your mouse. Targets exactly what you want it to target.

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Originally Posted by Answa

We're getting /assist and <bt>. :D

Also: Use your mouse. Targets exactly what you want it to target.

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*clicks on monster right in front of him*
*client selects own character*

=_=

There is no substitute for accurate tab-targeting, which can be complemented by accurate mouse-targeting, but not wholly replaced.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

*clicks on monster right in front of him*
*client selects own character*

=_=

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Make sure you're not clicking on your own character's name when you're doing it, because it'll often select whatever's "on top" or "in front" in relation to your camera view. I play a fat Roegadyn, so it happens to me a lot too. ^^; I just rotate the camera around a bit to get a clear view of the target.

Or, I guess you could use F8, if the monster's right in front of you. If there's a lot of things bunched up together for me to accurately click them, then I usually do that.

Honestly, I really don't see how people use Tab for targeting. I find it highly time-consuming and unpredictable, which is bad for areas like the beastmen camps.

Click targeting isn't accruate during battle when you have 8+ mobs clumped together. Like during stronghold battles trying to line up "Doom Spike" to hit as many mobs as possible is a hassle

|----o------o----------------------o--|
----|--------------------------o---|
------|-o----------o-o-----------|
---------|-------o--Y-o-------|
------------|-----o--o-----|
---------------|---o----|
------------------|X|

try to target "Y" under current targeting priorities or with click targeting.

Figure A1) <current targeting system>

|----1------3--------------------13---|
----|--------------------------12---|
------|-2----------7-10-----------|
---------|-------4--8--11------|
------------|-----5--9-----|
---------------|---6----|
------------------|X|

Figure A2) <current tageting system>

|----13-----11---------------------1--|
----|--------------------------2---|
------|12----------8-5-----------|
---------|------10--6-3-------|
------------|-----9--4-----|
---------------|---7----|
------------------|X|

it would take either 8 or 6 cycle targeting under current priorities system.

Figure B1) <proposed "Radial Targeting System">

|---11------12---------------------13--|
----|--------------------------10---|
------|-7----------8-9-----------|
---------|-------4--5-6-------|
------------|-----2--3-----|
---------------|---1----|
------------------|X|

Figure B2) <proposed "Radial Targeting System">

|---13-----12---------------------11--|
----|-------------------------10---|
------|-9----------8-7-----------|
---------|-------6--5-4-------|
------------|-----3--2-----|
---------------|---1----|
------------------|X|

or 5 cycle targets under what I'm proposing.

In figure B1 and B2 every target from first to desired target is a valid battle target. Unlike in figure A1 and A2 where you have to cycle through non battle targets to get to your desired target.

I'm asking for an option to be put in, not for this to be the standard targeting system. If you like the way it currently is stick with it. However if you don't like our current targeting solutions and woudl like to try something else why not this?

Maybe after another six or seven pages of ASCII diagrams, people will understand!

WAR had similarly terrible tab-targeting logic and it was infuriating in that game and it's infuriating in this game.

ChiefCurrahee, in that kind of scenario, personally I'd be using some sort of AoE move that hit everything instead of worrying about some sort of move that uses awkward targeting, but that's just me.

May I suggest an alternative targeting system, though? Although it would still involve using the mouse, but it'd be a start...

Allow players to hold down left-click and drag a marquee around multiple monsters. A list similar to the party member list would show up, and players could use their mouse, function keys, etc. to select individual targets from only that marquee selection. I see it being just like dragging to select multiple icons on your computer's desktop, and then using Shift+Click or Ctrl+Click to make your selection more specific. Players could then use AoE moves on specific enemies more easily.

Just a random thought. I'm not really sure how you could make it easier for keyboard-only or controller setups... maybe have some sort of numeric interface that pops up next to each monster on-screen (next to their levels or something) and players could press a button combination (say, Shift+3, or L2+Triangle, etc.) to target the monster that has #3 next to it.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Click targeting isn't accruate during battle when you have 8+ mobs clumped together. Like during stronghold battles trying to line up "Doom Spike" to hit as many mobs as possible is a hassle

|----o------o----------------------o--|
----|--------------------------o---|
------|-o----------o-o-----------|
---------|-------o--Y-o-------|
------------|-----o--o-----|
---------------|---o----|
------------------|X|

try to target "Y" under current targeting priorities or with click targeting.

Figure A1) <current targeting system>

|----1------3--------------------13---|
----|--------------------------12---|
------|-2----------7-10-----------|
---------|-------4--8--11------|
------------|-----5--9-----|
---------------|---6----|
------------------|X|

Figure A2) <current tageting system>

|----13-----11---------------------1--|
----|--------------------------2---|
------|12----------8-5-----------|
---------|------10--6-3-------|
------------|-----9--4-----|
---------------|---7----|
------------------|X|

it would take either 8 or 6 cycle targeting under current priorities system.

Figure B1) <proposed "Radial Targeting System">

|---11------12---------------------13--|
----|--------------------------10---|
------|-7----------8-9-----------|
---------|-------4--5-6-------|
------------|-----2--3-----|
---------------|---1----|
------------------|X|

Figure B2) <proposed "Radial Targeting System">

|---13-----12---------------------11--|
----|-------------------------10---|
------|-9----------8-7-----------|
---------|-------6--5-4-------|
------------|-----3--2-----|
---------------|---1----|
------------------|X|

or 5 cycle targets under what I'm proposing.

In figure B1 and B2 every target from first to desired target is a valid battle target. Unlike in figure A1 and A2 where you have to cycle through non battle targets to get to your desired target.

I'm asking for an option to be put in, not for this to be the standard targeting system. If you like the way it currently is stick with it. However if you don't like our current targeting solutions and woudl like to try something else why not this?

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You got my vote in for that, I'm actually amazed the devs never thought of it. The current targeting system must be a Japan thing? Nothing wrong with that, but more choices is better. :D

Targeting is fine.

I don't get it but then again I don't get the existing ones either. Isn't it weird that one mode was enough for all of XI but now they've added a group of modes none of which work by themselves? I hate it when I accidentally switch these modes all the time.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Click targeting isn't accruate during battle when you have 8+ mobs clumped together. Like during stronghold battles trying to line up "Doom Spike" to hit as many mobs as possible is a hassle

|----o------o----------------------o--|
----|--------------------------o---|
------|-o----------o-o-----------|
---------|-------o--Y-o-------|
------------|-----o--o-----|
---------------|---o----|
------------------|X|

try to target "Y" under current targeting priorities or with click targeting.

Figure A1) <current targeting system>

|----1------3--------------------13---|
----|--------------------------12---|
------|-2----------7-10-----------|
---------|-------4--8--11------|
------------|-----5--9-----|
---------------|---6----|
------------------|X|

Figure A2) <current tageting system>

|----13-----11---------------------1--|
----|--------------------------2---|
------|12----------8-5-----------|
---------|------10--6-3-------|
------------|-----9--4-----|
---------------|---7----|
------------------|X|

it would take either 8 or 6 cycle targeting under current priorities system.

Figure B1) <proposed "Radial Targeting System">

|---11------12---------------------13--|
----|--------------------------10---|
------|-7----------8-9-----------|
---------|-------4--5-6-------|
------------|-----2--3-----|
---------------|---1----|
------------------|X|

Figure B2) <proposed "Radial Targeting System">

|---13-----12---------------------11--|
----|-------------------------10---|
------|-9----------8-7-----------|
---------|-------6--5-4-------|
------------|-----3--2-----|
---------------|---1----|
------------------|X|

or 5 cycle targets under what I'm proposing.

In figure B1 and B2 every target from first to desired target is a valid battle target. Unlike in figure A1 and A2 where you have to cycle through non battle targets to get to your desired target.

I'm asking for an option to be put in, not for this to be the standard targeting system. If you like the way it currently is stick with it. However if you don't like our current targeting solutions and woudl like to try something else why not this?

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I suggest to use the target option "/btmode" post 1.20. SE change /btmode from "Target Engaged Enemies Only" (also enemies attacking only you) to "Target fighting Enemies Only" with 1.20 until they have a "Target enemies fighting your party" ready.

But I hope they improve the normal tab, too.
I think it use currently only the X coordinate to select the next target. If SE use the Y coordinate too, they could calculate the distance between the enemies and the player and could make it that Tab select the true nearest enemy.

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Originally Posted by Dakin

Targeting is fine.

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Targeting furthest monster first while the nearest one beats the sh!t out of you is not. Especially since the size of the targeting circle doesn't vary with distance and you can't see the hovering target as a lalafell on big monsters.

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Originally Posted by Tetsaru

ChiefCurrahee, in that kind of scenario, personally I'd be using some sort of AoE move that hit everything instead of worrying about some sort of move that uses awkward targeting, but that's just me.

May I suggest an alternative targeting system, though? Although it would still involve using the mouse, but it'd be a start...

Allow players to hold down left-click and drag a marquee around multiple monsters. A list similar to the party member list would show up, and players could use their mouse, function keys, etc. to select individual targets from only that marquee selection. I see it being just like dragging to select multiple icons on your computer's desktop, and then using Shift+Click or Ctrl+Click to make your selection more specific. Players could then use AoE moves on specific enemies more easily.

Just a random thought. I'm not really sure how you could make it easier for keyboard-only or controller setups... maybe have some sort of numeric interface that pops up next to each monster on-screen (next to their levels or something) and players could press a button combination (say, Shift+3, or L2+Triangle, etc.) to target the monster that has #3 next to it.

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Neat idea to lasso mobs into a selectable UI list. would be great to keep track of mob HP and buffs and debuffs.

Come PS3 launch they need to find a better/faster targeting system.

I am shocked this thread has yet to see an official response.

Excuse me "Community Rep", what is the call on the lame targeting system?

It was alright until someone(SE) screwed with it. I was able to toggle it with my keyboard: From "All, Friendly to Enemy" with a single button. That's all I need, not some stink-en targeting priority system... (it's a small issue which needs a simple fix, which gets my goat).

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Originally Posted by Baxter

I am shocked this thread has yet to see an official response.

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It is the weekend, But this thread has been open for over a month and nada.

LoL I even made a post about why the reps comment on threads that have no likelyhood of immediate impact on game play yet nothing on pressing issues. He commented on that thread....

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

It is the weekend, But this thread has been open for over a month and nada.

LoL I even made a post about why the reps comment on threads that have no likelyhood of immediate impact on game play yet nothing on pressing issues. He commented on that thread....

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yea I didn't mean today, but it has been on the top page forever lol

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Targeting furthest monster first while the nearest one beats the sh!t out of you is not.

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Then you do it wrong
Set your keyboard config right, there are useful target options for this situation:

Target Last Enemy to Attack You
Target Next Engaged Enemy
Target Previous Engaged Enemy

Give them a key