But that's not cost effective. If you want to end MB RMT, feel free to undercut those pesky bots. I won't mind one bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maero
The majority of new characters are bots
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07-27-2016, 03:06 AMZigabar
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07-29-2016, 02:34 PMMaFi0s0
There was a queue today so I did a search and theres no bots so my guess is they are getting banned.
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07-30-2016, 01:46 AMCelestePinke
The bots are on every server and if you haven't seen them you are just not in the right areas at the right time. I have characters on several servers, including Siren and Gilgamesh and there are tons of them. They have FC's. The archer bots typically turn in to spirit bonding bots. We all know the areas we see them at. Go to the Burning Wall, several will pop up at The npc for the BLM quests. Just follow the MSQ and you'll find them. Gathering bots haven't ceased either. Go to Little Solace and you will find 2-3 gathering bots that have been there for days, they will have one class to 15 and be lvl50 gatherers. It is absolutely terrible on every server. If you think your server is free of them, I'll make a character on your server and show you.
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07-30-2016, 02:18 AMMaero
I have also wondered if it was that bots make Free Companies, like you just mentioned Celeste i have often seen the same gatherers in East Shroud, every time. I thought they were bots but ws not sure as they were in a Free Company and did not have the usual low level gear that bots have.
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08-02-2016, 01:49 PMMaFi0s0
Well they are back, and regular players using bots to farm the Yo-Kai event to top things off.
Meanwhile in other games: http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overw...ic/20747914935
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08-02-2016, 02:36 PMLalafellDownMeanwhile Black Desert Online is suing a bot maker. Bot maker takes all his bots offline.Quote:
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08-02-2016, 03:14 PMMaFi0s0It would have been easier to hire some programmers to write code to detect and disable the bot before it got out of hand, than hire lawyers for this.Quote:
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08-02-2016, 03:59 PMRinuko
I used to see them alot when Novice Chat was introduced while back.
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08-02-2016, 04:03 PMMorningstar1337Re: Blacklist Removal
I Want to know why the devs don't add a flag to banned accounts that list their "characters" (read: bots) as banned? It would take the guesswork out of removing names from the blacklist.
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08-02-2016, 04:09 PMBourne_EndeavorSE does that exact same thing with their own ban waves. Nevertheless, detecting cheats like what those people were using is far easier than eliminating bots. One is a group of actual players. The other is, well, bots who can easily be replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaFi0s0
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08-02-2016, 04:32 PMDumbledoremd
Love to name and shame them on YouTube its also just fun to mess with the sb bots
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08-02-2016, 08:50 PMMaFi0s0Im not sure if I agree, SE just isnt aggresive enough, I played WoW for 3 years and only came across bots twice, one was a person in my guild and another was a random.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
WoW also uses Warden just like Overwatch does.
The detection for Warden also relies on virtual inputs and it makes things very hard for the coders as they have to do a lot more coding and bug testing.
Having read a popular cheat forum the attitude towards FFXIV and WoW/Overwatch is a lot different, they fear Blizzard but feel very safe with FFXIV which confirmed my observation from my Anti-Virus about there being only server side checks. -
08-02-2016, 09:01 PMLisotteIn that case RIP our economy, just like WoW's. EVE is the only game that did this decently well, but even then the PLEX part of the economy is super weird and has lead to crazy inflation over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaFi0s0
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08-02-2016, 09:33 PMDragonFlyyPretty much the same for every MMO out there, subscription based or not. They are all plagued with it, and when the company patches the game to stop it, they find a new way. Ban them? They just get more accounts (either buy them or steal them).Quote:
Originally Posted by MaFi0s0
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08-03-2016, 12:24 AMMaFi0s0Yea thats true, its not a big deal for me because I know the economy will suffer regardless, but a simple virtual input detection would go a long way for just making the game more dignified because about every second day I see bots on Tonberry.Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonFlyy
The issue tbh is if theres any PvP bots but even WoW has these. What they do is interupt spells for you and counter stuff that should need good reflexes and focus. -
08-03-2016, 12:36 AMAtoli
What Dragonfly said.
You stop them, they find another way. Every server has at least a few of them, but I feel a bit sorry for the smaller servers that get plagued with them, because the big servers are creationlocked most of the time so all the Bots, Gilsellers and the like flock to the smaller, open servers^^°
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08-03-2016, 12:46 AMBourne_EndeavorHave you played WoW recently? Bots were not nearly as ubiquitous back when WoW launched because MMOs were still a somewhat new genre. I know a GM personally and she's had to deal with virtually the same volume of complaints and accusations they do "nothing" about bots, hackers and etc. It also depends on your server. I, for instance, have only seen bots twice in a full year because Balmung is so notoriously hard to get into. This doesn't mean SE cannot do more to help mitigate the problem. A right click option is sorely needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaFi0s0
Cheaters and bots are two completely different things. Like I said, cheaters are actual players who generally lack the funds or IP spoofing methods to get around bans. Bots are scripts that allow one person to control multiple characters at once. If said character is banned, they simply make another. Entire companies devoted to getting into popular games and spamming links. A reddit user went into explicit detail how much of "business" this is in China. Unfortunately, they don't fear Blizzard anymore than Square because neither company has legal authority to do anything. That's why bot companies rarely crop up in North America. If they did, then Blizzard could and would sue them into bankruptcy. -
08-03-2016, 12:48 AMPixelmancer
Server transfer? I've started 2 new characters on 2 different servers and I've never seen a bot herd.
Please explain how you think PLEX lead to inflation despite introducing 0 new ISK into the economy. In fact, they're actually an ISK sink thanks to market taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisotte
MMOs had been around for almost a decade before WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
The game industry needs to learn a lesson from other industries and spend some of their money lobbying. There are multiple viable solutions they could pursue with small changes or additions to the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonFlyy
No it isn't and no they can't. They don't crop up in North America often because it's not financially viable. You should do some research on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
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08-03-2016, 03:32 AMMorningstar1337Unlikely, none of the names on that list have the patronyms assoctaed with Sea Wolves. So these are legitimately botsQuote:
Originally Posted by Atoli