Let's face it though... A short but ugly/old/beastly looking race will never make it to FF14. They will never appeal to the Japanese audience and I am part of those who do not want his small race to look ugly. We are playing a Final Fantasy game, gnomes and dwarves have no place in its universe. It has been proven countless times that an ugly race is less popular and only appeal to a minority. Just look a roes and lalafells. Even if they are sightly different in term of proportions, anatomy and physicality, they are the least played race(fact observed on my server).Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookyGhost
Besides, let's face it, it's not uncommon for very young characters to become main characters in their respective games. I just want to play a Zidane or a Alphinaud since I see myself better in characters of that stature. And let's face it, a lot of female gamers will find such a choice very appealing. I speak from experience! ;3
No worries. I was but jesting. He just looks so different compared to other elezens. I prefer his build vis a vis the giraffes! xDQuote:
Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell
Very glad to see another lyn lover! <333Quote:
Originally Posted by l---------------l
I do. Females can be very short but the shortest ones kinda look grotesque in my opinion... They are not properly proportionate for how small they can be. And besides, I have nothing against female characters and their size but as a male character player, I feel there is a severe lack of options! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by MaeIsMean
I would play one but I would like to see their proportions sightly changed since they just look like furry lalafells and their inclusion might cause frustrations! xDQuote:
Originally Posted by DamianFatale
Agreed but despite your argument, the demand for Viera which is essentially au'ra/elezen with bunny ears is still extremely strong. I fear YoshiP will submit to the demands... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedalox
Does FF14 needs a new small race?
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06-20-2016, 08:54 AMHito-Shura
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06-20-2016, 09:01 AMErikMynhier
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06-20-2016, 09:19 AMHito-Shura
Fair enough, dwarves exists in some FF titles. They're like lalafells with beards! :D
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06-20-2016, 09:23 AMUnderdog2204Who cares if it's less popular so long as it's played? Why do the players who do enjoy "ugly" (I don't find them ugly at all) races have no other options that Roegadyn? I thought to point of new races was to inject some flavour into the world not just have everyone copy each other (yet again)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hito-Shura
Complaining about Viera possibly being included and then complaining that races should be pretty enough is totally contradictory.
For example say I think the Miqo'te look rediculous so that means you shouldn't be allowed to play it does that sound ok to you? -
06-20-2016, 09:42 AMHito-ShuraI truly understand your sentiment and I respect your point of view entirely. Ugly races have their fans and will undoubtedly be played by both Japanese and westerners(including Europe) alike, albeit less popular than other options of course. But the fact remains that FF14 was designed to make your character look as pretty as possible, appealing to the majority with its race choices and armor designs since 1.0. This game is built entirely around it for its playable aspect while beastmen fill the ''ugly'' roles as NPCs. They shot themselves in the foot since the game was created when they decided to limit themselves to pretty humanoids while other mmos try to be as diverse as possible from launch to show how flexible they are and will be with their design choices, and let's not forget the different armors for each races in most of those cases to make sure they all fit the different races and their lore. Other mmos are very different in term of designs, let's admit it. Anyway, all that to say that FF14 built its system and fanbase around that and showed thus far that they would not deviate from that path.Quote:
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And to clarify, I am referring to the Viera body type in my original post vis a vis other races, not their physical appearance. There are no contradictions in my reasoning. -
06-20-2016, 09:53 AMUnderdog2204Ok fine I get that, but you are making no sense imo. So by your reasoning the Lalafell are one of the "ugly" and least played races but for some reason the Japanese love them - http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...e8ff1bcf34c5aeQuote:
Originally Posted by Hito-Shura
So where do they fit in? Are they ugly and least played or are they pretty and popular? Are they a majority vote or arn't they?
They didn't shoot themselves in the foot at all imo, just because they have done something does not mean it has to continue that exact same way. There was an outcry about the Au Ra being too "ugly"... The majority has no idea what they want and is exactly why they should be ignored.
"I want my character to be unique" - Instantly rolls Miqo'te/Hyur
"Everyone looks the same" - Whilst playing Miqo'te/Hyur
"All the races are humans with animal bits" - Whilst playing Miqo'te/Au Ra.
They don't want different they want to all be the same then just complain about the lack of uniqness.
Just to be clear I'm not having a dig at you for picking miqo'te (your character looks pretty cool) I'm just refering to the community in general. -
06-20-2016, 10:04 AMNexxa
I'd honestly rather see playable half-elezen.
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06-20-2016, 10:21 AMHito-ShuraIn my opinion, I think there is sense behind my words but one may disagree with me and refute my argument. That is perfectly fine with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Underdog2204
When it comes to lalafells, I did mention my personal assumption was based on observations made on my server in my original post and never did I say they were globally hated. But the graphs do support my argument when it comes to US and European demographics. I have a feeling that lalafells are more popular in Japan since they fit well in the current moe movement in animes of this generation and the extreme popularity of female idols. I cannot prove it but it is a strong belief of mine that if there was a new cute ''loli'' race sightly bigger than lalafells but still smaller than miqo'te such as the elins, you would see huge amount of change in such a graph. I don't count the female au'ra since despite their small stature, they still look too mature to appeal to the moe fans. I myself would migrate towards such a choice if I could play a character akin to E-Sumi-Yan or Alphinaud which are amougst my favorites characters of this game.
As for au'ras... I fail to see such ''outcry'' about their appearance. Based on my own personal observations(which could be skewed, again, I do not have hard evidences), they seem to be very popular, both genders included. But I would though understand their lack of popularity in Japan since they are far from appealing to the majority or might be seen as a bit unoriginal considering the current races available(males looking like muscular elezens and females looking like smaller hyurs). But let's say for the sake of argumentation that your statement is indeed true and there is truly an outcry... Can you imagine the potential outcry an ''uglier'' race would have? Such a reaction supports my theory that players of FF14 are maybe not ready to accept an ''ugly'' race as they've been playing a game which enforces the physical appeal of a character both in term of race and armor designs. But again, that is but an opinion of mine and it is not my intention to force it upon you.
As for the outcry concerning the uniqueness of the different races... I fear it might be here to stay. A beastly race, althoguh original, would look very out of place in a game with only humanoids since day 1. -
06-20-2016, 10:35 AMUnderdog2204Which is exaclty why one is needed and I don't think something like the Ronso would look out of place in a FF game. I did not say there is an outcry but there certainly was, now probably those people that complained are playing one I mean they certainly seem to be far more popular than that graph shows now lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hito-Shura
Though you may be right about us being stuck with the rubbish requests people make (I'm totally with you about the Viera) if those of us that don't like it don't talk about it then it is all but certain it will be like that. -
06-20-2016, 10:40 AMHuskellI think that would destroy the lore a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedalox
I would like to see a mid term race, like Bangaa and Nu mou. One can dream, right? -
06-20-2016, 10:53 AMhagare
the competition to the potato race. THE TOMATOES!
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06-20-2016, 11:54 AMCorfish
So for anyone wanting races that are somewhat more unique or exotic, don't get your hopes up >=
They were planning to add Viera at one point, as seen here:
But ultimately decided not to because of their legs. Their legs would've required that they either: A. Massively rework the visuals of leg gear
or B: Just have the non-compatible leg gear show up invisible.
ANY race that has unique features will cause this problem. We even see it in some we have now (weird clipping with Roes or Lalas, lots of armor looking really ugly on Roes etc.)
So while I really want new races that are really unique, it unfortunately likely won't be added because of these technical issues. So if we were to get another "cute" race, it'd likely be kind of a smaller version of something we already have. -
06-20-2016, 01:31 PMYoukulmnever change, man cats are gross.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell
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06-20-2016, 03:33 PMmadolyn
no. having all these hot dog bodied lalafells is enough.
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06-20-2016, 03:36 PMNestamaI was thinking more of the lines of this. A dwarf.Quote:
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06-21-2016, 03:48 AMHito-Shura
Who knows what they will come up with next... Seems like the high demand for Viera might cause them to change their minds on past design choices. I don't mind them too much honestly but please... Don't make another tall race... We already have elezen, au'ra and roe... We don't need another one hence the point of this thread! xD
I wouldn't mind though if they went with this idea though but a sightly more slender anatomy since the male looks like a bigger lalafell.
http://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...5-22_23_33.jpg
But as for my personal wishes, I want a satyr race. There isn't enough games with playable satyrs or playable half-beasts out there! :(
http://66.media.tumblr.com/7af29f6a1...hbvoo1_500.png
http://pre07.deviantart.net/f3f1/th/...me-d3g7s1g.jpg
Or even a mix of satyr and viera if they really want a bunny race! o.o
http://img04.deviantart.net/18f8/i/2...ss-d7qdj6d.jpg