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Originally Posted by Theodric
Is he playing us?
Let me say first that when I say things like "I think" in the following sentences, I mean "I hope". It's not a theory that I'm sticking to my guns about, it's just how I think the story fits best and where I think it'd be most fun to go. It's entirely speculative, and I'm not arguing that it's Truth. It's also not so different (though let's call it discrete for the sake of debating theories) from Rocl's perspective.
In spite of two huge things ([1] that I'm relatively sure it's too big of a red herring to not be true that his master is Elidibus, and [2] that I trust Elidibus thinks he's doing the right thing in terms of cosmic justice, but ultimately don't trust him to not be gearing up to undo everything that makes Hydaelyn, us, and our world what they are, and thus everything we've fought to protect) ... I don't actually think so.
I think the boy is exactly what he seems: a boy. I think he's impressionable and has seen horrible things and plays easily into Elidibus' narrative. And I think that spending time with us - seeing our friendship, camaraderie, and why it is we fight - is ultimately going to put him at odds with his master and his endgame.
I think he's doing what Elidibus says is in everyone's best interest - for balance and the way things always should have been - and that, for now, our interests align due to the Garleans and the Warring Triad. But I don't expect this alignment of interests to last, and I'm not so sure he'll turn on us when it comes time to undo our post-Zodiark reality itself.
People also keep forgetting another thing:Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
WHAT IF LAHABREA IS STILL IN THERE!?
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[SPOILERS] Revelations from Patch 3.3
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06-09-2016, 09:29 AMAnonymoose
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06-09-2016, 09:36 AMRoclI understand the reasoning behind what happened, but it was rather shortsighted of the heroes to not even begin to contemplate what to do had they succeeded. It was a decision made in panic, but that still doesn't make it any less exasperating.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
Eh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
If it really was our allies reaching from beyond the grave making the difference and not simply our memories of them and their sacrifice I would be very disappointed. I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing happened, but I would heave quite the disdainful sigh. I mean, they did pull this sort of thing with A-Towa-Cant already.... ugh... -
06-09-2016, 10:02 AMCyrilLuciferB-butQuote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
he can't be in there and inside my heart at the same time.
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06-09-2016, 10:05 AMTheodric
Well...here's how I see it:
It's definitely implied. It was poetic, in a way (and people on this board suggested something like that would happen to free Estinien a while back). Alphinaud stops short of outright saying that he saw Ysayle...and the Warrior of Light looks directly at Haurchefant and smiles. It could be an illusion but I'm more inclined to believe that it isn't. Plus there's a lot of players who kick and scream about any death - no matter how logical - having no meaning because they cannot accept that their favourite character has been killed off. At least this way the pair return to help out the WoL for a second time.
I just hope this sort of thing doesn't become too common. Though if it's possible to bring back Estinien surely the Scions should try and separate the hosts from the Ascians/future Primals where relevant? What about victims of Tempering? Minfilia?
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06-09-2016, 10:05 AMBerethosPossible...but...Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
I'm not so sure that his influence is still in the eyes. Generally, the eyes we've held or seen at various points typically show some kind of power or life, while these are curiously inert. That, on top of seeing the spirit of Nidhogg himself rise into the sky and disperse, suggests to me that any future threat or issue with those eyes won't be due to any possible influence by Nidhogg. It's certainly possible it was simply a reactionary and cautionary measure suggested (hastily) by Aymeric.
Possibly they still hold power, and thus are potentially dangerous in the future if kept around and they fell into the wrong hands, but as a conduit to bringing Nidhogg back I think that ship has sailed.
Regarding Krile's warning, I took that more as a "We're simply not sure what will happen if you do that, here's a possible bad consequence, careful not to let your feelings on the matter cloud sound reasoning" which is the kind of approach Krile seems to favor. Even so, I don't think our characters nor Alphinaud nor Aymeric were willing to take that chance.
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06-09-2016, 10:07 AMBerethosI think that particular bit is meant to be squarely left to the interpretation of the player, and I'd be surprised if we got a clear answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocl
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06-09-2016, 10:12 AMCyrilLucifer
Joking aside, the issue I have with Unukalhai being "just a boy" is that
that's a pretty damn complex plan he put into place. Like, not even Alphinaud makes plans at that level, and he's considered extremely intelligent - and he made it seem like it was his plan, not Eli's. -
06-09-2016, 10:14 AMDualbladeWeeeeeeeeeelll...Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
While the whole aether battery thing makes sense, it wouldn't surprise me if the reason Eldy and the Edges were keeping an eye out was because of this possibility. Which if everything is going according to plan currently is fact rather then possibility. -
06-09-2016, 10:41 AMAnonymooseAgreed; I even meant the reply half-seriously ... because, while all logic points one way, all of franchise history points another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualblade
Which is true? Please look forward to it!™ (In the meantime, I will make "jokes".) -
06-09-2016, 10:57 AMCyrilLucifer
Even Moose is trolling me into hope.
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06-09-2016, 12:49 PMPhylloElidibus be likeQuote:
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06-09-2016, 01:03 PMLailiMy take on it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualblade
Eli doesn't seem particularly attached to Lahabrea (or any of the other Ascians for that matter). Feels like he sees them as a means to an end and that the other Ascians are all being really shortsighted in how they approach resurrecting Zodiark. -
06-09-2016, 01:50 PMNariaActually no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayve
We rode on his back into Ishgard at the end of 3.0, and he introduced himself to Aymeric (and everyone in the Pillars). Presumably we explained our connection to him at some point off-screen as neither Aymeric or Alphinaud seemed overly surprised at mini-Midgardsomr showing up. -
06-09-2016, 03:56 PMAlice_89thI understood it asQuote:
Originally Posted by Laerune
His riding a dragon makes him a new kind of Azure Dragoon, one who forged peace with the dragons instead of killing them. So it is more figure of speech. It even sort of fits as his clothes are blue. (Though I would call the colour he is wearing "cobalt", but eh). Now that they have forged peace with the dragons there is (hopefully) no more need for dragon-killing-dragoons. (And maybe we'll even see dragon-riding-dragoons??).
Also, was Aymeric his full name mentioned before?
Aymeric de Borel.
But whether that means anything is beyond me. Sounds a bit fancy for a bastard name though, at least a lot fancier than Graystone. -
06-09-2016, 04:35 PMCilia
MSQ
About the Eyes and ideas floating around about them...
I'm fairly confident the close-up on Nidhogg's inert Eyes as we tossed them off of the Steps of Faith was meant as a visual cue that "the Dragonsong War is over, and its perpetuator gone forever." We tossed the Eyes from so high up we can't even see the bottom; while I can't say anything about how damaged or otherwise they may be (given Estinien gouged Hraesvelgr's loaned Eye out of Nidhogg's socket, then its owner put it back in half an hour later and was totes fine), the chasm seems nearly bottomless. They're probably beyond the reach of any mortal, at least... but back to the point. They're gone from the narrative, probably forever, and Nidhogg's spirit departed before we threw them, so even if someone did get them both, he's gone. Probably definitely. So there will be no Nidhogg-possessed rats coming up to menace Ishgard.
So too is any plot thread dangling from said Eyes. Probably. So Lahabrea is gone for good. Probably. And the "but he could still be alive in the Eye!" argument is now a moot point because regardless of whether or not he is, the Eye(s) are gone. Probably.
As for Blanhaerz' observation, he didn't seem to be acting at all - just observing, as the Warriors of Darkness have been shown doing aside from their scuffle with Ravana and us. I can't check if he was looking down before / while making his call because of maintenance, but right now I'm going to put my gil on him looking down to make sure we threw the Eyes off of the Steps... according to plan. Nothing about retrieving them, just making sure things are playing out according to Elidibus' script. (In fact, Lahabrea getting offed was probably beneficial to Elidibus' plan, since a chaotic element like him isn't conducive to a complex scheme like Elidibus seems to be setting up.)
As an aside, I'm now looking forward to being that chaotic element that destroys Elidibus' well-orchestrated plot.
As for Omega, it was mentioned what, once, back in 2.3? I'm not betting on it showing up again until someone says something about it, and besides, it's still a scrap heap buried in Cartenau as far as we know. Unless someone excavates it and gets a master machinist to refurbish the thing, plus a nice aether / ceruleum supply to fuel it, it's still useless... and that's a lot of conditionals. It's certainly beyond the means of Ilberd.
Warring Triad
You know, Unukalhai's exposition on Auracite reminds me a lot of VI Magicite upon further thought... makes sense with the Triad as a backdrop... but anyway.
The idea that our use of Auracite will corrupt us over time, and thus that we should stop using it, seems baseless. We only use Auracite to trap an Ascian before blowing them to smithereens; Unukalhai's story exposits that people held onto the Auracite with a trapped Primal so they could use it for power / war. Besides, Moenbryda outright stated that the White Auracite we use can't hold aether for very long - not exactly what happened in the story. Whatever sort of Auracite the people from Unukalhai's story were using, it certainly wasn't the White kind we use. (There are other kinds of Auracite?! This is also news!) -
06-09-2016, 04:59 PMLailiQuote:
Originally Posted by Laili
Building on this from earlier:
Nidhogg's eyes being used in this manner to power Omega is what pulls Shinryu in to oppose him. He's not about to let this madman use his deceased brother's power in this manner after all (going on the assumption that if Shinryu is in XIV and that he'd be of the First Brood of course) -
06-09-2016, 06:00 PMCiliaWell, this is just my personal speculation, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Laili
As I explained above Omega is still a scrap heap buried in Cartenau; excavating, refurbishing, and fueling it are all beyond the means of Ilberd.
I'm also quite confident the Eyes are gone from the narrative, along with any potential uses and plot threads tied to them.
Either way, I'm pretty sure we're done with dragons for now (I know I'm sick of them; the Magic block that came out around the same time as Heavensward was dragons too, and it's been nothing but dragons aside from resolving 2.55 since...) and going to move on to, more likely than not, the Garleans. -
06-09-2016, 06:32 PMLailiAnd in response to that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
Such a thing is certainly beyond Ilberd's means alone, but with Ascian backing? And did you not see the stinger at the end of 3.3? Paladin of Darkness certainly isn't reporting to Elidybus about the depth of the chasm around Ishgard that's for sure. -
06-09-2016, 09:10 PMMilesSaintboroguh
Do we really need spoiler boxes for a thread that's clearly marked spoilers?
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06-09-2016, 09:38 PMCyrilLuciferJust do it for the first few days. It's being respectful to people who have finished one part of the story quests but not the other. It's not like typing HB takes effort. You can even click a button in Advanced options for even less typing.Quote:
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06-09-2016, 10:19 PMTheodric
In regards to where the story goes next:
In Revenant's Toll the dialogue of the Scions there has been updated again and two of the NPC's specifically mention Thavanair in their dialogue. The two that fled there after 2.0's ill fated banquet. Ala Mhigo is of course mentioned by Yda and Papalymo in the earlier 'teaser' cutscenes at the end of 3.0, 3.1 and 3.2. We also see the Warrior of Darkness and Elidibus in the Shroud at the end of this patch. Since there isn't a whole lot of Eorzea left to explore I think it's likely that we'll be exploring those locations - and Ala Mhigo might not be an actual capital city that we visit but Thavnair will instead be our base for the next expansion. It's an island, after all - and it's been teased that the next expansion might revolve around water and swimming. -
06-09-2016, 10:34 PMAlberelGotta wonder where the story is going to lead though... Given the Garlean presence in Dravania it's obvious that they are still an immediate threat that needs to be dealt with. With Ishgard reunited with the Eorzean Alliance the Grand Companies are finally in a position to strike back against the invaders, and the first step to doing that is retaking Ala Mhigo. Given all the unresolved plot hooks for Raubahn and Ilberd leading us there as well it just makes so much sense for Ala Mhigo to be our next destination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
Something really random and unexpected would have to happen in 3.4 and 3.5 to cause us to consider Thavnair a more pressing priority, unless it was somehow rolled into the same expansion.
Honestly Thavnair, Doma and all those exotic locations seem to me like post-story expansions in the same vein as Aht Urghan and Seekers from XI (i.e. they're self-contained stories for after we've dealt with Garlemald and Zodiark). -
06-10-2016, 02:38 AMFrederick22My answer to that..Quote:
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I totally agree. It was not so they could grab the eyes later, on the contrary. Could this be beacsue the eyes may had being our only resourse (for now) to destroy an Ascian? -
06-10-2016, 02:43 AMCyrilLucifer
On the subject of "questions that will either never be answered or brought up again:"
Is it really healthy to be drenched with foreign dragon aether like we were? Like, essentially injected with it. Potentially permanently? Aether sickness is a thing, so we know too much foreign aether does have effects on someone's body. -
06-10-2016, 02:59 AMDualbladePersonally I'd sayQuote:
Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer
Having the Echo probably does wonders for keeping such things under control. As well, us willingly taking the power might actually keep anything dangerous from happening, in comparison to the Drowned who clearly (except maybe for Captain Madison) didn't want it. As well I'm pretty sure we DID give Hresvelgr his eye back so his aether has also probably already left us. -
06-10-2016, 04:01 AMBelhi
So I finally did my MSQ:
Over all I enjoyed it. I admit I expected something more complicated in how we save Estinien but still, it worked even if it was a bit cheesy. I would point out that an event like that isn't entirely without president in FF14. Hell, in the lvl 50 WHM quest you have a guy who has been dead for a lot longer than that manifest and help. Interestingly he specifically mentioned that it was with Hydaelyn's permission and due to us being her champion that it allowed it to happen. I suspect it requires rather extraordinary conditions for it to happen.
On another note, I was disappointed Alberic didn't make a cameo (after all Estinien is his foster son) but the got major points from me for including Vedrfolnir. It's also nice to know Aymeric and Alphinaud were getting slapped around for a change as well. I kind of hope that if the Dravanians ever get involved in Eorzean Alliance stuff that Vedrfolnir makes another showing. After all, him and Aymeric seem to get on well enough.
I think this will wrap up Ishgard's story for a while. We will have a few side quest things but I doubt it will be the central focus. Estinien will almost certainly end up a Scion at some point I think though maybe not for now. He is a free agent though so we will almost certainly see him around. I am glad we will be moving away from Ishgard now. I have really enjoyed HW but I am getting a little over Ishgard, Alpine landscapes and dragons.
The hook at the end was probably the most disappointing part simply cause it really didn't give us much to go on. I think its highly likely we will see Nidhogg's eyes recovered as batteries. Yoshi P has said in the past that the Ascians will take more of a back seat after the end of the 3.x saga for a while so I think whatever is building will reach its pitch in 3.5. We also have the reveal of what Midgardsormr was guarding still to be revealed and the Heart of Sabik to make an appearance again, both which have been said will happen in this expansion cycle. Perhaps its not Omega itself which is the major threat but its power source. What if charging up the Heart of Sabik had an alternate purpose beyond just sowing chaos. 3.2 seemed to indicate that whatever the Source is, the Ascians don't have access too it. Perhaps that's what all this messing around with Ultima and Omega could be about. Destroying the seal that keeps them from the Source maybe?
Well Ill move on to the Warring Triad stuff next. -
06-10-2016, 02:45 PMInjaEdouxSomething like:Quote:
Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer
Well, our characters already were exposed to such aether before: in DRG story when WoL became second Azure Dragoon. So First Brood aether is not something new and entirely alien to WoL - we blasted Ascian while channeling it, too.
And Hresvelgr willingly gifted WoL with the power of his Eye, while channeling Nidhogg's aether required strong will to defend against madness and rage of it's real owner - we already freed Estinien from NIdhogg's control in lvl50 DRG quest through Echo-sort-of-thing, summoning spirit of first Azure Dragoon to guide our legs in Ultra Dragonfire Jump :cool:
And that brings another question: we tossed Niddy's Eyes into abyss (now it will stare at us for all eternity) and returned Eye to Hresvelgr. Is WoL STILL the Azure Dragoon? Or did he lost the ability to power up goony-things?
Also, in the post-MSQ quests, Middy talks to Tiamat and says about his hope that alliance between man and dragon will be the foundation of force against the coming darkness. -
06-10-2016, 03:06 PMDualbladeWhile I don't think what I say should be very spoilery I will put tags just not to give away context or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by InjaEdoux
The WoL would still be the (a) Azure Dragoon. We never really channeled Nidhogg's power (which all the other ones do), but we DO channel Midgarsomr's, and that will never change since its part of our skills now. We might even get a bit of Hresvelger's aether still latched to us for new skills in the next xpac. -
06-10-2016, 05:50 PMCilia
Stupid uhh formatting stuff...
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Originally Posted by Laili
While getting Omega operational again would almost certainly be a massive boon to the Ascians' goal, doing so is another matter. While they do possess vast, nebulous powers, there's still limitations to what they can do. Case in point: all they did was show Gaius where the Ultima Weapon was and tell him its capabilities. That's it. Nero refurbished it, and it didn't need too much fuel - ceruleum is something Garleans have plenty of no matter where we seem to go, and then it ate three primals in quick succession. So there we have it.
Omega, on the other hand, is likely far more massive than the Ultima Weapon was, given it was designed to contend with the likes of Bahamut. It's also still a scrap heap buried in Cartenau as far as we know. It would take a veritable army of workers to excavate it, along with numerous master machinists to refurbish it in a timely manner. Only two come to mind that could do so: Cid and Nero, the former of whom would never willingly do so and the latter of whom is unaccounted for at this time. There's no feasible way that could be done over 3.4 - 3.55 without anyone noticing and stopping it.
Now, I'm not saying Omega won't show up. Rather it won't be the impetus that leads us into Ala Mhigo. If it does show up, it'll be brought out during 4.0's MSQ or 4.x, I'd wager. I'm fairly certain after about a year and a half of nothing but dealing with dragons they're going to put said dragons on the back burner as well, so Shinryu making an appearance I'd bet on even less.
As a final note, Blanhaerz wasn't looking down into the chasm per sé, just tilting his head downward to make the call to Darklander. As far as I can tell, anyway.
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Originally Posted by Frederick22
Any exact reason remains open for speculation. The only important thing is that Blanhaerz was observing our battle and making sure everything played out in accordance with Elidibus' design. He may have intervened had events gone too far off of Elidibus' script, but the important thing is that events unfold as per Elidibus' foretold fate.
I'm just getting very Validar-ish vibes from Elidibus. Have been since 3.0's stinger. Anyone who knows who Validar is should know his catchphrase is "This was all written!," and, well, that's kind of what Elidibus has been spouting since said stinger. -
06-10-2016, 08:48 PMTheodric
<Rambling ahead>
Are the Ascians even aware of Ilberd? I mean, they probably are but they've never mentioned him directly and as far as we know Teledji and Ilberd weren't acting due to Ascian manipulation - they did so due to greed, selfishness and misguided pride. If 4.0 is going to be light on Ascian activity then either we deal them a major blow before that point or the premise of 4.0 is based around them succeeding and we clean up after them. I'm hoping for the latter scenario, personally, since it'll feel rather cheap if Elidbus dies without succeeding after such a long build up. -
06-10-2016, 10:06 PMCyrilLucifer
Short answer, Theo: Impossible to know.
But keep in mind the Ascians don't promise "evil" things - they render what is perceived as aid by the receiver, which is oftentime the ability to protect. Lahabrea's servants were in LilAM in the level 20ish MSQ and they were offering power to the youths there so that they could restore Ala Mhigo. It's not like the Ascians pull a Xenogears-like Grahf saying "doth thou desire the power?" to the most power-hungry dudes all the time. That's why the Beast Tribes are wrapped around their finger.
Basically, he doesn't necessarily need Ilberd if his goal is chaos. -
06-10-2016, 11:38 PMTheodric
Regarding Mhach:
The entire raid is like a love letter to fans of FFIX and FFXII given the similar atmosphere. It's a shame that it isn't the main raid for the expansion. Alexander isn't terrible but...I find Alexander disappointing simply because such an iconic summon ended up being associated with goblins of all things when we could have had a cool holier-than-thou cult to play on the whole 'holy construct' aspect of Alexander throughout the earlier FF games. At any rate it seems that Ferdiad will be a boss in the final part of the raid alongside Diabolos and this 'Shadow Queen'. Ozma was very cool - I think the implication during the fight is that Ozma swallowed part of Nym during the war?
Hullbreaker Isle:
I liked the FF6 boss reference. It's nice that we got to see some familiar faces during the dungeon and the idea of turning Hullbreaker Isle into a training ground is a pretty good one. It's interesting that both dungeons this time around are based around testing our strength.
Regarding Estinien:
Honestly, for a while I genuinely thought he was in love with Aymeric. I thought the flowers were intended for him...or Alphinaud. Though it turns out they're for Ysayle, apparently. I liked the 'retracing our steps' quests. It gave some neat insight into what we've done and how things are playing out in the aftermath. I do hope we get more of it in the future. -
06-11-2016, 03:36 AMPomelo
Question, do the retracing quests give a time frame of how long HW has lasted?
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06-11-2016, 03:45 AMDualblade
Apparently it was all over a few days/a week at most. Which is in line with it still being 5 years after Bahamut went and raged across the land.
Personally I just discard that and go with a few months atleast, but thats me >>
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Originally Posted by Theodric
It'll probably be us beating up Edgelander and co pretty badly, leading to Elidibus and the other Ascians stepping back to take stock of the situation and prepare for a way to deal with us decisively. Also doubt Elidibus would die this soon, he'd probably be either the last or second-to-last Ascian to die overall. -
06-11-2016, 04:01 AMCiliaThat's not rambling. What I do is ramble to try and cover all the bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
There's no conclusive evidence either way. Despite strong suspicion Ascians were involved with the Ul'dahn Revolution arc after 2.55, nothing has come of that. Lolorito turned out to just be using the Handmaiden as a pawn, slipping Nanamo a different poison (one that asphyxiated then made her comatose... however that works).
It's just in peoples' nature to suspect the Ascians will be involved with Omega, given Lahabrea was so closely involved with the Ultima Weapon and the two are functionally similar. Ilberd is also a rogue element who would benefit greatly from having that kind of power at his command, so naturally people are going to try and connect the two.
That said, Omega is still a scrap heap buried in Cartenau. Given this, the fact it would take numerous master machinists to refurbish it quickly, it still needs a fuel source, and that the Ascians are going to take a more backseat approach for 4.0, the chances of them helping Ilberd (etc.) excavate, refurbish, and fuel it before then seem slim at best. -
06-11-2016, 08:47 AMRosenoireAll of the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
Nothing to say that both aren't true. He clearly had developed respect for Ysayle during the course of 3.0, so him wanting to honor her memory makes sense. That doesn't preclude a thing with him and Aymeric, and personally, unless and until the devs say otherwise, that's my headcanon and I'm sticking to it. -
06-12-2016, 01:33 AMRamessesFirst off, I wanted to respond in this thread mainly because I had promised Moose that I would read and contribute more towards his lore speculations as time permits (BTW Moose, great SCH healing back in Final Coil a while back. Fun times.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
Theodric, great comments and here's what I think. On Mhach:
For the comments regarding Mhach, I agree that the raid was somewhat of a fan service to FFXII... but in many respects, the Alexander in FFXIV was more like the Alexander of FFXI (example, whereby Nyzul Isle in the Alazadaal Undersea Ruins was the "body" section of Alexander).
I do wish Feridad was like an optional HNM hard or EX battle with some excellent loot. And considering the very last cutscene within the raid, this just might still be the case... remember the little bat that remained sulking in the corner?
On Estinen:
His relationship with Aymeric is just a very platonic bromance and considering the bond between them, this is very understandable... heck, some readers on my blog have actually emailed me in the past to say that there are some very interesting fanfics about them online. Nonetheless, they both remain on my list of favourite NPCs (Aymeric still tops my list---and I correctly predicted on the forums back in February that he would become the permanent "Princeps" of Ishgard).
That said, I thoroughly agree that the "aftermath retracing" of the MSQ was a great addition and fitting ending to the Heavensward tale. And I'll shamelessly confess that I began a heartfelt applause at my screen when Hauchy appeared while I was trying to yank off the eye from Estinen. Brilliant story-writing right there and I love the fact that he paid his respects to Ysayle. -
06-12-2016, 05:37 AMFenral
Finally taking time to look over the thread.
MSQ:
You may need to read this post a couple more times after I say this, but I actually didn't find any significant issues with the writing this time. If anything, I wanted them to be more heavy-handed about the power of hope. Oh well. For the first time in more than two years I feel like we've actually accomplished something. We'll see how long that lasts.
Talking to Matoya afterwards seems to indicate Alphinaud is looking for a way to separate Minfilia and Hydaelyn. She hasn't told him anything, but seems to indicate that there actually is something there for him to find.
City of Mhuch Wiping:
But seriously, delving into an ancient pyramid, with Cait Sith in tow, in pursuit of theBlack MateriaNullstone. Was I the only one expecting an FFVII reference at the end there? Nope, little guy survived to raid another day. Speaking of, the raid itself would be perfect if not for the other 23 people.
Syrcus Tower was awesome on its own, too, though, so lets see if they can stick the landing this time.
Agent of Inquiry:
Gigi is precious. Cyr is doubly precious. Lord Edmont is somehow still involved in all this nonsense. Why was this only two quests?
Also, Julyan Manderville gets my vote for DRK 60-70 trainer. -
06-12-2016, 06:02 AMCiliaMSQ, and stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
The writing was decent. Ysayle and Haurchefant's spirits helping you out was a bit of a deus ex machina in my opinion, but it's certainly better than "suddenly use the Echo to filter Nidhogg's soul out of Estinien." All of the major plot threads that have been in the forefront since 2.3 (when Ysayle and Ishgard first started to step onto the stage) have been resolved, and after all of 2.55 and 3.x being a sad ride we finally managed to accomplish something lasting and good.
... the good mood will likely last until 3.55, I'd wager, when the impetus that leads us into Ala Mhigo gets dropped. Either that or early-mid 4.0 if they decide to show how horrible war really is.
Weeping City (I just finished it too):
Nope, wasn't expecting that. The Nullstone's exact appearance wasn't known until we beat the shit outta Calofisteri, and the pyramid wasn't visible until we got a ways into the city.
The raid is fine, people just need to get used to being unable to faceroll it. For a while, at least. I'm more disappointed the minion isn't a Wind-up Ozma (Ozmasphere?). -
06-12-2016, 06:12 AMMorningstar1337In fairness....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
Ozma seems more like Mount Material IMO