3.3 patch notes Full

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

Do you mean Blue script craft tokens? Or Red ones?

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My main concern is red craft tokens, although I have a quite few of all types. Be damned if I'm grinding for months and end up being able to get nothing but crappy grade VI materia or blue scrip for it.

I so want the matoya cave theme. That was one of the songs that you only hear once or twice in it's actual location and then basically never return unless it's for story reasons.

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

Sooo confusing LOL

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Actually, it's not confusing at all:

Red Token = is now Blue Token
Red Token = can be exchanged for Materia Grade IV
Goblin Cup/Dice = new Red Token equivalent purchaseable for 50 Red Scrips

Or did I miss something?

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

My main concern is red craft tokens, although I have a quite few of all types. Be damned if I'm grinding for months and end up being able to get nothing but crappy grade VI materia or blue scrip for it.

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I saw nothing on using these. I think many of us continued to use red scripts to buy tokens. Personally I held mine and didn't buy fishing gear given I hoped we'd be able to use then in someway for the new gear. I sincerely hope there is a way to convert them back or use them for the new stuff.

This crafting stuff is confusing me.

I'm so confused

yep finally someone that can synthesize !!! my hero !!

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Good King Moggle Mog XII Orchestrion Roll Orchestrion Roll Music roll for*Good King Moggle Mog XII. Use to add to your orchestrion list.

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Whelp. I'm farming the #*%& out of Moggle Mog now. My life is complete.

I can't help but be a little salty, as I'm almost positive SE left out how we were going to buy the new red scrip gear until they brought the game down. I'm sitting on 38 or so red scrip tokens, and it feels as though they just wanted to add the new Goblin items to screw over people who wanted to preempt this patch.
I guess I'll use my stockpile of red tokens to buy the final two blue token fishing books I never cared to get? :/

Either i'm being blind or there's still no new Grand Company ranks. I could've sworn that that was coming.

I'm so excited about the weeping city, it looks stunning. I loved void ark but didn't like the aesthetics

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Originally Posted by Syhrwyb

Either i'm being blind or there's still no new Grand Company ranks. I could've sworn that that was coming.

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Yep new rank and outfits. It could be they are going to release it in 3.35 with Palace of the Dead.

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Top Mog

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C'mon, Koji-fox

Since some folks still seem to be confused, here's a simplified rundown of the scrip changes:
- BLUE SCRIPS can buy: All the things they bought before, and now they can also buy Rowena's Tokens (Blue Scrip).
- RED SCRIPS can buy: All the things they bought before, and now they can also buy Goblin items. Be careful not to buy Rowena's Tokens (Red Scrip) anymore! These are now a huge waste of Red Scrips (unless you're super hard-up for materia).
- ROWENA'S TOKENS (BLUE SCRIP) can buy: All the things Rowena's Tokens (Red Scrip) could buy before. Essentially, there is no longer a weekly cap on buying the previous endgame gear. It is also much easier, as Blue Scrips are much easier to come by.
- ROWENA'S TOKENS (RED SCRIP) can buy: Tier IV Materia and Rowena's Tokens (Blue Scrip). Basically, you can convert your old Red Scrip tokens into Blue Scrip tokens, and thereby purchase the same stuff you could buy with Red Scrip tokens before.
- GOBLIN ITEMS can buy: All the new gear. They are, essentially, the new Rowena's Tokens (Red Scrip).

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Originally Posted by cainxavier

I can't help but be a little salty, as I'm almost positive SE left out how we were going to buy the new red scrip gear until they brought the game down. I'm sitting on 38 or so red scrip tokens, and it feels as though they just wanted to add the new Goblin items to screw over people who wanted to preempt this patch.
I guess I'll use my stockpile of red tokens to buy the final two blue token fishing books I never cared to get? :/

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Just as with DoM/DoW gear, SE works actively to discourage anyone from getting a big "head start" on higher-tier gear. This doesn't come as any surprise to me. It IS nice that they gave us something to do with our stored Red Scrip tokens.

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Originally Posted by Seyb

Actually, it's not confusing at all:

Red Token = is now Blue Token
Red Token = can be exchanged for Materia Grade IV
Goblin Cup/Dice = new Red Token equivalent purchaseable for 50 Red Scrips

Or did I miss something?

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This is so weird... so we, that actually work hard to have all Gatherer/Crafter Gear..are stupids, cause it doesnt matter all the red tokens you have.. they are useless!.. (and Gatherer Materia IV it is not a worth!)

THX Yoshida, for all the wasted of time i spent gathering or crafting to cap tokens weekly... ¬¬U..thanks so much!

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

- ROWENA'S TOKENS (RED SCRIP) can buy: Tier IV Materia and Rowena's Tokens (Blue Scrip). Basically, you can convert your old Red Scrip tokens into Blue Scrip tokens, and thereby purchase the same stuff you could buy with Red Scrip tokens before.

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Well if this is so then I can at least buy the Fishing Gear I elected not to buy with Red Tokens before. One of the reasons I didn't buy the gear was that I THOUGHT I READ that the gather gear was going to a unified set of gear for all gatherers as opposed to what appears to be a system that simply augments the existing gear we already have.

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Originally Posted by JedahJohnny

This is so weird... so we, that actually work hard to have all Gatherer/Crafter Gear..are stupids, cause it doesnt matter all the red tokens you have.. they are useless!.. (and Gatherer Materia IV it is not a worth!)

THX Yoshida, for all the wasted of time i spent gathering or crafting to cap tokens weekly... ¬¬U..thanks so much!

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Eh why are you surprised they do exactly the same to raiders, old gear becomes easier to get when new gear comes out.

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Originally Posted by JedahJohnny

This is so weird... so we, that actually work hard to have all Gatherer/Crafter Gear..are stupids, cause it doesnt matter all the red tokens you have.. they are useless!.. (and Gatherer Materia IV it is not a worth!)

THX Yoshida, for all the wasted of time i spent gathering or crafting to cap tokens weekly... ¬¬U..thanks so much!

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It's essentially just like the battle gear, all the lore your collecting now will be really easy to get in 3.4 and a new tomestone will be added. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of it either. Seems like you can still buy the stuff for lvl 170/180 gear with your red scrip tokens. It's just not the highest item level gear anymore.

The planned obsolescence is so good you would think Apple makes FF14. Depending on what these recipes look like i might just finish my HQ lvl 170 sets, get to 3 star, and call it a day until next expansion.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Just as with DoM/DoW gear, SE works actively to discourage anyone from getting a big "head start" on higher-tier gear. This doesn't come as any surprise to me. It IS nice that they gave us something to do with our stored Red Scrip tokens.

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Yea, I'm not surprised much either. Just wish they mentioned the Goblin items in the Preliminary notes, so we would know not to buy any tokens before the reset. I (now obviously) stupidly just assumed, since no mention of new "tokens", it would be more red tokens and bought all 9 weekly red tokens.

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Originally Posted by JedahJohnny

This is so weird... so we, that actually work hard to have all Gatherer/Crafter Gear..are stupids, cause it doesnt matter all the red tokens you have.. they are useless!.. (and Gatherer Materia IV it is not a worth!)

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Heaven forbid you have to do new patch stuff to get new patch gear.
DoW/DoM don't get to save old tomestones to buy the newest stuff on new gear patches, why should DoH/DoL? At least if you have 450 scrips stockpiled you'll get to immediately use them on Thursday.

Guessing Glass Fiber is the moogle equivalent of Ehcatl Sealant to keep people from gearing up the new i190 stuff too fast. Them potion/food changes though, it's about time (potions anyway)

So basically you use the new Augnented crafter gear to get your stats up so you can craft the ironworks? Or something....



On a side note they changed the Gridania example pic of the new arrows leading to new areas on the map & removed the arrow that pointed up bc it was "content still in development" HINT HINT

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Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

Eh why are you surprised they do exactly the same to raiders, old gear becomes easier to get when new gear comes out.

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But they screw over whoever bought tokens with scrips and let those who stockpiled 500 scrips get a headstart. I'd say that's unfair. Why not just put in Rowena's Yellow Scrips or something if you're going to do that? I'm rather baffled they thought keeping in red scrips was fine. What you usually have is this:
-Old lesser currency can be turned into Old best currency at a terrible ratio
-Old best currency is now baseline earned with any activity
-New best currency is made, need to grind from day 1 for everyone

With how they handled red scrips, like I mentioned previously, either you played by their rules and got screwed over (turning red scrips into tokens waiting to see if anything new happened) or you played half by their rules and came out ahead (stockpiled anyway, but in scrips format, rather than token). Bad design.

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Originally Posted by Syhrwyb

Either i'm being blind or there's still no new Grand Company ranks. I could've sworn that that was coming.

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They stated a few times that there'll be no new ranks until they create content to justify it and go along with it, currently they're working on a Legion system which lets you enroll people to fight with you, people you'll train and the higher your rank the more you can enroll in your legion, tho we don't know how far they are in that project, if it's just an idea or actually being developed.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

It's essentially just like the battle gear,

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It's not, for a start when the new battle gear comes out, people know in advance. well in advance. They also know if they have a stockpile of whatever tomestone, they can still spend it on gear. They also know they can keep their lore (up to 2000) for purchases after a patch. They've basically dumped this on us with no notice, while all the time forcing us into buying the tokens because the cap was a crappy 500. And to make it worse, if you got this week's tokens you're screwed, someone is already 500 ahead of you for no good reason. If they did that to the battle classes there would be pandemonium.

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Originally Posted by _Kakera_

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i can see what you mean by unfair but i see it the same way as beastmen tribes anyone who hops on tuesday morning before daily reset gets a 1 day lead on everyone else in the beastmen dailes, course i will say red scrips is weekly not daily but you can still hold on to your weekly 450 til the next reset.

it's not like they are using the red scrip tokens still that for me would be unfair since i haven't been hording them for the last few months but i can easily get 450 red tokens in 2 days.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

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there was no reason to spend your scrips before reset, the game doesn't magically screw you over it you don't spend them before reset just if you don't get them anyone who bought more red tokens with them instead of waiting screwed themselves you only gained by waiting till after patch day to spend them.

meaning the smart thing to do would have been spend then every week but this week and wait till full patch notes came out then did something.

Shame about the red scrip hoarding issue. They probably don't care since it's crafting/gathering. Games that used similar systems in the past reset currencies and convert it into money automatically before a new tier begins if they don't add a new one to level the playing field.

Would have made more sense if they converted red scrips to blue scrips during the maint to add the new items. and let it go over the cap, but you can't get anymore until you spend it and get below the cap.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

but i can easily get 450 red tokens in 2 days.

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not if you have already capped this week and bought the tokens. That is the problem. If it was a new kind of scrip everyone would start on the same footing. They have just given some a 1 week headstart and some a kick up the backside instead.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

not if you have already capped this week and bought the tokens. That is the problem. If it was a new kind of scrip everyone would start on the same footing. They have just given some a 1 week headstart and some a kick up the backside instead.

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i understood what you were saying. the only problem here is jumping to conclusions.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

meaning the smart thing to do would have been to spend them every week but this week and wait till full patch notes came out then did something.

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Alright. Let's clear some stuff up. This is MY guesswork so take it as you will.

i170 gear --> This is the crafted stuff. They made it i170 which is the bare minimum for grade V melding, which ticks me off a lil but no matter I'll sitll meld my gathering gear.

i190 gear --> This is the lower tier red script gear. Yes I know it's odd theres i190 and i200 untradable gear but the difference being ths i190 will not require the goblin shit we will need to trade our red scripts for.

i200 gear --> Our upgraded versions of our current red script gear. This is the same as before: crafted was i150 and the best untradable was i180. 30 ilvls above only this time we'll have grade V materia to pump into our crafted stuff.

i195 tools --> New tools using 3.2 mats. Be thankful if you saved up mats like I did and that once again us high end gatherers can make a lot of gil off this stuff. Like holy crap this stuff is gonna sky rocket.

i190 accessories --> If I recall these are craftable? As I understood they weren't gonna add new accessories and belts until 3.4... Thanks for the heads up SE. It's a shame I spent over 30m on my i170 melds(700 GP and no I didn't go the cheap route and sacrifice a crap ton of gather/perception)


And yes, we can't use our stockpile of red script tokens to get the new gear and materials for said gear. Both you and I were naive to think SE would allow us to make use of our red script tokens from the get-go, giving us access to the ALL of the new stuff on day one.(you know who i'm talking to, I aint throwing this statement at EVERYONE(yeah, I had to clarify, cus ppl on forums can be idiots))

This patch looks fun. Lots of gil to be made in both the housing sector and the gathering and crafting front and even the battle front with the dreadwyrm replica gear. A very nice QoL update.

It's easier to blame SE / the patch than to blame oneself for lack of foresight.
Could they have done it differently? Probably. But they didn't.
Complaining won't change it.
If this didn't give some people a headstart, something else would.
Being able to be online more, getting the patch downloaded faster, spending more time crafting than others.
There will always be some ahead of others, if they did it like this in the patch or differently.

@ Post above me: As far as I understood it, the current i180 untradeable crafter gear + the new goblin items = the i200 untradeable, class-specific gear (augmented stuff). There's a new 170 craftable set that any craft class can wear, and a new 190 craftable set that any class can wear - with the 190 probably being quite difficult to craft (thus maybe requiring the i200 gear for stats, but that's speculation).

I "kinda" glad I didn't stock red scrip but the blue scrip. I wonder if Replica Dreadwyrm gear is 3 star recipe...?

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

While it does say that its 50 reds per goblin item, and 50 reds in 1 token, it doesn't necessarily say that you can get it on a per token basis. If I understood the patch notes correctly, it's on a scrip basis and not token basis.

Hopefully I'm wrong because otherwise it'll make my stockpile of tokens near useless.

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You probably are. I doubt they'd let us get all the new stuff day one cus we stockpiled. You know Se love to balance stuff, or try to anyways.

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Originally Posted by Eul

... What the hell with the Augmented craft? So it's just like 170 but dyeable + bigger stat?

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No, it's untradable because the augmented isn't in the new recipes.

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Originally Posted by JedahJohnny

So i have 30+ Red's Gatherer Token that are unsuable ???.. WTF!!! >:(

SE ... need to exchange Red Tokensx1 - Goblin Cup/Dice x1... or we will rage in fury!

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Hey, thats 30 grade IV materia which frankly will become useful with our melding. I doubt it, you're gonna rage in fury.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

My main concern is red craft tokens, although I have a quite few of all types. Be damned if I'm grinding for months and end up being able to get nothing but crappy grade VI materia or blue scrip for it.

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Again, this is a balancing decision.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Yep new rank and outfits. It could be they are going to release it in 3.35 with Palace of the Dead.

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I'm ticked off it's not in 3.3.

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Originally Posted by Chyro

It's easier to blame SE / the patch than to blame oneself for lack of foresight.
Could they have done it differently? Probably. But they didn't.
Complaining won't change it.
If this didn't give some people a headstart, something else would.
Being able to be online more, getting the patch downloaded faster, spending more time crafting than others.
There will always be some ahead of others, if they did it like this in the patch or differently.

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I don't blame SE. If they wanted to avoid the small head start some will get then they would need to make a new system for scripts, like yellow scripts or something, and idk if they wanna do they yet, or at all for that matter.

They can anticipate things, but it doesn't mean they will avoid every pitfall possible, sometimes there are prices to pay. SE isn't stupid.

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Originally Posted by Eul

I "kinda" glad I didn't stock red scrip but the blue scrip. I wonder if Replica Dreadwyrm gear is 3 star recipe...?

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Probably. I'm assuming it's also specialized crafting seeing as the current replica stuff is no longer specialized.

The new gathering gear is nice and sadly i converted my red scrips to tokens cause i was near capped but honestly are they adding more nodes or items that require higher stats? How exactly will the new gear affect what we are already gathering?

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Originally Posted by Chyro

It's easier to blame SE / the patch than to blame oneself for lack of foresight.
If this didn't give some people a headstart, something else would.

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mind reading isn't "foresight".

I am sure plenty out there have some kind of headstart - none of which were handed to them on a platter by SE.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

The new gathering gear is nice and sadly i converted my red scrips to tokens cause i was near capped but honestly are they adding more nodes or items that require higher stats? How exactly will the new gear affect what we are already gathering?

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Luckily I've ben behind this week for being gone on the weekend and recently I started buying the tokens when i capped at 450. so i should get my new tool on Thursday.

The patch looks awesome! Very excited for the new content. My only concern is the fact that there is A LOT of new gear and items being added to the game, but we all still have the same amount of storage space. A lot of us already have very little storage space as it is, and without paying more money to have additional retainers, it looks like we're gonna have to toss items we've been holding onto to make space for the new items. I wish SE would take this issue into consideration and provide us with more storage space. There's a reason we're holding onto the items we are holding onto which are causing us to have very little storage space and it really is a bummer that it pretty much looks like a lot of us will have to be making some tough choices when it comes to what we are willing to get rid of in order to be able to make storage space for the new items.

Does anyone know definitively what the new ilevel will be for relic?

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Does anyone know definitively what the new ilevel will be for relic?

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Unless our new relic weapons are called "Horde -----", then they didn't show up in the patch notes at all, meaning the item doesn't change this patch (in terms of iLv), it just get secondary stats tacked onto our existing "Hyperconductive -----" through a quest.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Does anyone know definitively what the new ilevel will be for relic?

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They're confirmed as i240 from the French patch notes. They just didn't overtly add them to the item list for surprise factor (they did this for the Zodiac line too I think)

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Originally Posted by Archadius

Unless our new relic weapons are called "Horde -----", then they didn't show up in the patch notes at all, meaning the item doesn't change this patch (in terms of iLv), it just get secondary stats tacked onto our existing "Hyperconductive -----" through a quest.

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I saw that... but I was under the impression that the new relic would have a new look. Why is it that we can now purchase replica's of the hyperconductives if there isn't a new version available? I would think the Horde weapons were perhaps drops in the new trial Nithoggs Rage?

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Originally Posted by Archadius

Unless our new relic weapons are called "Horde -----", then they didn't show up in the patch notes at all, meaning the item doesn't change this patch (in terms of iLv), it just get secondary stats tacked onto our existing "Hyperconductive -----" through a quest.

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They might of omitted it or forgot. They added the replicas for conductive, and IIRC they said each weapon would get a new look. Probably ilvl240, then another quest in 3.3x to bring it to 245 when they add or after they add the lore weapon upgrade item before the tier/gear reset in 3.4.