Request for a steeper exp curve on levels

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Originally Posted by Visch

Yet another troll thread. Leveling is beyond easy. Try playing the game instead of just being bad if you think leveling is hard at all.

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Yet another one who post without even reading the OP ? It's exactly what we're saying, xp is too easy.

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Originally Posted by Mahayana

Achievement of what? you've just explained how finally getting to the level cap is pointless and end game is all that matters.

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Like once your at cap, instead of seeing 50 50 50 50 50 50 50 on everyone, im saying it should be more content wise, like show a chosen emblem of your achievements.

example.

Fire crest - obtainable by killing ifrit.
Chocobo emblem - Obtainable by raising a chocobo. etc

but this is going on a different topic, lets stick to op.

only people who want new leveling are already at cap and just want to make it harder for other people so they can boast an brag. You people are like those people in the military who are all like "They're taking away retirement at 20 yrs well I already got mine who cares" freaking selfish bastards thinking end game content is only for them. Everyone else paid their money for this game too they have a right to get to see it as well.

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Originally Posted by Shaedhen

I'm definitely with the OP on this.

And i'm quite speechless seeing so many ppl being happy with the current system of lvling.

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sounds to me like a person having all character classes almost up to lv 50 and havent leveled since patch 1.19.

its a mess since patch 1.19 for leveling solo as a conjurer (you make much less damage than before) and the mobs are much harder than before. it was WAY easy for me pushing low level class characters with my lv 39 physical level (pre patch 1.19) ... now its MUCH MUCH harder .

I mean my linkshell fellow told me when leveling his lv 35 conjurer again "thank god i leveled my thm till maximum lv before patch 1.19. (well im just looking at your char profile)

5 star leves? no problem for me solo as a lv 4 class character.


sorry, doesnt really sound to me that you had experienced the level system since patch 1.19... of wait... you got already your lv 50 thm.
the exp system was broken in some patches before, i think nobody needs to mention this!


the maximum lv cap wont stay at lv 50 at all. so you want to raise the exp curve for now? when we're going to have a maximum cap of lv 79/90 or so?

LOGICALLY conclusion, really! *claps his hands*


me as a casual player, playing not that often, still doesnt have a maximum char. but what i miss isnt a higher exp curve... it's more about the contents!! doin' more than just leves or to grind your ass off.

THAT should be much more important! cant stand your opinion at all, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

sounds to me like a person having all character classes almost up to lv 50 and havent leveled since patch 1.19.

its a mess since patch 1.19 for leveling solo as a conjurer (you make much less damage than before) and the mobs are much harder than before. it was easy for me pushing low level class characters with my lv 39 physical level ...

5 star leves? no problem for me solo as a lv 4 class character.


sorry, doesnt really sound to me that you had experienced the level system since patch 1.19... of wait... you have your lv 50 thm yet.

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my lvl before 1.19 : thm 50, gla 50, cnj 45-ish, lnc 22, arc 22, mrd 30, pug 24
i have now : everything @ 50 except pug 43, arc 41
So yes, i kinda experienced the new lvl system.

I'm happy with the fact that we can now xp in party don't get me wrong, but i completely disagree about the insane amount of xp we get only by spamming random aoe over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Shaedhen

my lvl before 1.19 : thm 50, gla 50, cnj 45-ish, lnc 22, arc 22, mrd 30, pug 24
i have now : everything @ 50 except pug 43, arc 41
So yes, i kinda experienced the new lvl system.

I'm happy with the fact that we can now xp in party don't get me wrong, but i completely disagree about the insane amount of xp we get only by spamming random aoe over and over again.

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ok well then please do not talk about "exping" when you pushed all your characters in AEO groups... do me a favour and level your pug to lv 50 (a mage class would have been better, or from lv 1 till max) till lv 50 just doing solo content (guildleves etc.)

its like I'd complain about the exp curve when letting high level characters power level my low char till lv 50. sorry. and.. you seem to have much time. me does not ;)


are you one of these guys that want to have back to old trashy, brillant "fatigue system"? *sarcasm off*
maybe thats why you complain about "fast leveling".

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Like once your at cap, instead of seeing 50 50 50 50 50 50 50 on everyone, im saying it should be more content wise

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agreed.. but there we come to the "real" problem.. its the missing content. you cant do much except grinding and doing guildleves.

and thats why some players complain about "fast" leveling because they are frightened to see, that there is no content after doing the grind *lol


thats a MUCH more important point. the less content we are having till now. and its not just about boss fights.. there should be much better, exciting! SIDEQUEST's for leveling! not just even guildleves and stuff.

what is really way too easy are the missions and quests

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

ok well then please do not talk about "exping" when you pushed all your characters in AEO groups... do me a favour and level your pug to lv 50 (a mage class would have been better, or from lv 1 till max) till lv 50 just doing solo content (guildleves etc.)

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I lvled my thm 1 to 50 solo with the fatigue system on. It wasn't that hard, and it's not harder now. Just slower than xp pt.

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its like I'd complain about the exp curve when letting high level characters power level my low char till lv 50. sorry. and.. you seem to have much time. me does not ;)

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What exactly i am supposed to do ? I'm not having that much time to play no matter what you seems to think. When i do i choose the easy way yes, but this kind of easy way shouldn't exist. I'm not gonna solo random mobs just to show everyone i'm against the amount of xp you get in xp pt.

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are you one of these guys that want to have back to old trashy, brillant "fatigue system"? *sarcasm off*
maybe thats why you complain about "fast leveling".

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Never said that. But it's true i'm not too happy about the fact that it took me months to get 2 jobs to 50 while now you can do it in a week pretty easily. Seems to me like SE isn't rewarding the ones who played right from the start (or almost right from the start). I know they need more ppl on the game and making the lvling easy is one way to be more attractive to the new players. It's just that I don't think it's how they should treat the ones who supported the game for a whole year.

Besides that, just like the OP said, I think it's nice to have ppl specialized in certain jobs and not everything. When you start a ls event, you know who's gonna be the healer, who are the strong DDs, who's the tank and so on. It has some kind of roleplay vibe that is now gone.

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agreed.. but there we come to the "real" problem.. its the missing content. you cant do much except grinding and doing guildleves.

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If, like you say, you don't have too much time to play, there's quite enough content. guildleves, company leves, chocobo caravans, toto-rak, shopshae, sidesquests, strongholds, dzamael, nms, ... it's not perfect but that should keep you busy for a while.

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Originally Posted by Shaedhen

I lvled my thm 1 to 50 solo with the fatigue system on. It wasn't that hard, and it's not harder now.

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ah and how you can say this having your mage classes at maximum level? *heads shaking* thats what you THINK it is now after 1.19. . But what you think and what IS now, are completely different pairs of shoes.

i've read much complains about soloing is much harder than ever before.

like i've written before and to quote my linkshell fellow while leveling his lv35 con "Wow im glad that i leveled my thm before patch 1.19 till maximum lv".


So you shouled be glad about it having your mage class already up to max lv! congrats to this.
But you do so much less dmg as a solo con than ever before on monsters.. and all in all you cant kill mobs that easy than before.. you cant kill anymore a monster which is just 2-5 levels higher as you. before patch 1.19 it was easy to perform massive damage on the mobs as a con. just as an example

it was easy fore me hitting 5 star guildleves. it was easy to push my low classes on my own. so why dont you talk about these changes? which have been before really unbalanced and MUCH more easier than now?

heh? sure you dont talk about that. you have your maximum chars already. killing a monster the same level as you was way easier in version pre 1.19. and thats a fact you cant deny. seriously.


its funny to see people complaing about fast leveling who almost have their high level characters up.
.... and leveled their classes in an also "broken" level exp system. congrats to this


it needs fine tuning, thats no question. but its a step into the right direction. and i dont think to "raise the exp curve" would be a good development.. for whom?

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Read my previous posts, i've already answered about that. I'm happy about the fact that xp is more party than solo oriented. And for the record, you heard complains about guildleves because ppl stick with their 5 stars rather than lowering them to 1-2 stars. Get mobs same lvl as you and it's a joke.

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Originally Posted by Shaedhen

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Read my previous posts, i've already answered about that. I'm happy about the fact that xp is more party than solo oriented. And for the record, you heard complains about guildleves because ppl stick with their 5 stars rather than lowering them to 1-2 stars. Get mobs same lvl as you and it's a joke.

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no its not, not as a conjurer for example... see and thats what you THINK... create a new character please and try it out yourself! dont talk about things you've not experienced.

its not that easy than before. Killing down a mob of your level isnt going that fast as before. s.. it seems like they have much more LP, but they have much higher defenses now.. especially a mage class (con) knows this. before i killed mobs with 3-6 lvs higher than me without any prob.

so it isnt about "lowering your stars to 1-2" blabla... it was really hard for me doing 1 star lv 40 leves with my lv 38/39 con as an example.


you have much more to chose whisely which element is the best against the mob... one element does 86 dmg on the mob, while the other does around 180-240.. and elements which are neutral to the mob are doing around 100-170.. so you're not doing 240 dmg all the time no matter which spell you casted right now... comes to the conclusion you're doing not that much damage as before.

and i think it does involve all other classes as well. killing mobs of your own lv and higher is a bit harder than before (and taking more time as well). everyone experienced that

I think it is fine. If you do not want to be power leveled don't join a group that has a PL. If a PL shows up leave your group if you feel that strongly about it. You say you are for choice, but then you request to eliminate options because youre not manning up by turning down PL requests.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

no its not, not as a conjurer for example... see and thats what you THINK... create a new character please and try it out yourself! dont talk about things you've not experienced.

its not that easy than before. Killing down a mob of your level isnt going that fast as before. s.. it seems like they have much more LP, but they have much higher defenses now.. especially a mage class (con) knows this. before i killed mobs with 3-6 lvs higher than me without any prob.

so it isnt about "lowering your stars to 1-2" blabla... it was really hard for me doing 1 star lv 40 leves with my lv 38/39 con as an example.


you have much more to chose whisely which element is the best against the mob... one element does 86 dmg on the mob, while the other does around 180-240.. and elements which are neutral to the mob are doing around 100-170.. so you're not doing 240 dmg all the time no matter which spell you casted right now... comes to the conclusion you're doing not that much damage as before.

and i think it does involve all other classes as well. killing mobs of your own lv and higher is a bit harder than before (and taking more time as well). everyone experienced that

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And this is a good thing. You're not supposed to lay waste to things that are 5 levels higher than you.

I say this being both a CNJ and slowly leveling other classes.

There is some true in OP. But it's true only if you can find one Lvl50 character, who want to spend his time for leveling you. If you don't have any friend than it's hard to level up. And power leveling so boring.
I dont agreed with OP. If you realy need to level up quickly you can do it, But if you just started the game you can find a lot content on any level, but most players do not want to see it, they just want lvl cap.
Realy, who of you defited Toto-Rak with lvl30? Or mid-level NM with lvl25? It's fun to do on apropriate level, fun and hard.

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Originally Posted by Gojin

screw you losers who want steeper leveling, you people need to get lives. I dont want to spend more time on this crappy game then I have to getting to 50.

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And once you are 50 with all classes what then?
Do you end the game because you have all classes to 50 and don't want spend more time in this game? What is the point to play the game at all for you?

OP: +1

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Originally Posted by Answa

And this is a good thing. You're not supposed to lay waste to things that are 5 levels higher than you.

I say this being both a CNJ and slowly leveling other classes.

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i didnt say that its a bad thing. i just said with this... that they havent taken in concern that killed much easier mobs in patches before.

they leveled also in a broken exp system, because monsters of 3-6 lvs higher than you or of your own level havent been any competition.

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Originally Posted by Felis

And once you are 50 with all classes what then?
Do you end the game because you have all classes to 50 and don't want spend more time in this game? What is the point to play the game at all for you?

OP: +1

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haha thats funny... so can we see the real problem now? they need to implement content, not just make the grind harder. ;d

and you really think lv 50 will be the endgame maximum level? naive you. if we will habe a maximum lv of 90 one day, you want to raise the exp curve till 50 now? aha ;o

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Originally Posted by Baxter

I think it is fine. If you do not want to be power leveled don't join a group that has a PL. If a PL shows up leave your group if you feel that strongly about it. You say you are for choice, but then you request to eliminate options because youre not manning up by turning down PL requests.

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agreed

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

haha thats funny... so can we see the real problem now? they need to implement content, not just make the grind harder. ;d

and you really think lv 50 will be the endgame maximum level? naive you. if we will habe a maximum lv of 90 one day, you want to raise the exp curve till 50 now? aha ;o

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Oh, it wasn't my words, it was Gojin words.
He said that he end the game after he has reached level 50

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Originally Posted by Gojin

I dont want to spend more time on this crappy game then I have to getting to 50.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Leveling up has gotten way too easy.

In the past having a job leveled meant something.

You'd go and focus your character's career in certain job, maybe two if you had the time, and you invested in it. And eventually you'd hit the max level and get all your capped gear... and people would see it, and it'd give them something to look up to.

You'd become known amongst your friends as the healer or the tank or the damage dealer, depending on what your focus was.

But now everyone has pretty much everything leveled thanks to the new and dumb leveling curve. People even level a job to max just for the sake of equipping ifrit drops. And they get there within a week.

Most of the equipment you buy lasts less than a day since you are always qualifying for an upgrade because levels less than an hour to be completed.

You can get from 1 to 50 in just days if you shut your brain off through it.

Whats wrong with taking your time to build your character? Why must people who just started playing be doing endgame content?

Rate this thread up if you'd like for a steeper exp curve on the levels.

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hardly an issue to make a topic. iam sure SE is more worried about fixing the game then filling your non-existant needs.

I don't really know what to think about it.
Personally, I'm not Plvling at all, because the game is more than enough fun in lower lvls too, not just the end game content.
I don't know if people realized it yet, but hey, there's an Ifrit at lvl 25/30-something too!
There's also a dungeon, no wait, two dungeons, lots of quests, NMs, etc.

Someone asked what's the point in doing them if you can get to rank 50 in a week?
Well, guess what - because it is fun and it means PLAYING the game instead of standing around doing nothing for days just to sit on your lvl 50 afterwards and run to the forums QQing you are bored on lvl 50..?>.>"

I for once enjoy the mid-lvl range like never before, there's a lot to do, and it's fun to do it.
Sometimes I actually DO join an exp group, but that's like..once in two weeks.

But I also know people who think of it differently, for example someone in my LS is afraid they might make it harder to lvl up again after 1.20, so he's lvling like crazy now, getting his CON from rank 30 to 50 in less than two days.
(same goes for other classes, I just used CON as an example because CON is my main class too, and I've been lurking around lvl 30 for weeks).

Sometimes I kind of feel the pressure..like, I think I should join a Plvling group too, later it might be even harder, bla bla..
That's what I don't like about the current lvling curve.
Or that people I usually play with are now 20 ranks above me and I can't play with them anymore other than getting Plvl'd by THEM.:rolleyes:

But at the same time, the way the lvling curve is right now, it gives us the choice to decide ourself how fast we want to lvl up; if we want to enjoy content in the beginning and in the middle or just rush through to the lvl cap.

So yeah.
I don't know if I should vote for or against a change:)

Make 1-20 slighty harder. Nerf exp chains and links a bit. Call it a day.

Currently, someone who knows what he's doing and can only play 1-2 hours during the week and more during the weekends (IE, the play style aimed by Yoshi-P) can reasonably cap one battle class in a bit less than a month with no PLing. We have 7 battle classes, so we can sorta round it down to 3~6 months to level all battle classes (remember, no PLing, no 4h+ with a static party a day every day). Then we have crafting and gathering. That alone is enough for literally a YEAR of doing NOTHING OTHER THAN GRIND. Let's not even forget that 50 is a temporary cap.

This, however, assumes the player knows what he's doing. For a new player, the first class will likely take 2+ months unless he is PL'd. During that period, he will also have to find a good linkshell, acquire money, materia, learn to play, do some end game, etc, etc. For the average gamer, the current grind is actually fine. For the gamer with lots of time, hardly any level curve will be enough. These should NOT be the chosen stardard to balance regular leveling around, sorry.

As for "learning how to play in parties", mindless grinding hardly teaches us how to avoid Batraal's laser, rush Dzemael or evade Eruptions. At best, we learn that no matter how far we are from the hedgemole, it's AoE will always hit us. =/

No no no no no no

We have ALOT of grinding to do once you hit lv50, you call it materia system, i barely have enough playtime now because of how much timesink materia is, there is no need to make a steeper exp curve.

I don't understand.

Everyone plays differently!

If you feel that you are lvl'n up too quickly then stop lvl'n up that way, slow down and enjoy the game. If you need/want to get a few lvls really quick then there are ways to lvl quickly, but if you want to go slower and enjoy your experiences in the game then there are ways to do that too.

It is possible to lvl fast and possible to lvl slow!!!!! The best of both worlds!! Why complain?!?!

Stop concerning yourself about everyone else, not everyone plays the same way as you, not everyone enjoys the game in the same way, play how YOU want to play!!!

I agree. I think the low to mid range level curve got so dumbed down that it is now WAY too easy. Please steepen it. I want hitting level cap to feel like an accomplishment. And I don't want this to become another MMO where 'life begins at endgame'. It should be about the journey.

But as others have said, we also need more content to enjoy that journey. Not just one raid dungeon, a handful of sidequests and grinding on leves.

Yeah slower it. Now everyone rushes their classes to max to be the ultimate hybrid.

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Originally Posted by ObeiKinstar

I don't understand.

Everyone plays differently!

If you feel that you are lvl'n up too quickly then stop lvl'n up that way, slow down and enjoy the game. If you need/want to get a few lvls really quick then there are ways to lvl quickly, but if you want to go slower and enjoy your experiences in the game then there are ways to do that too.

It is possible to lvl fast and possible to lvl slow!!!!! The best of both worlds!! Why complain?!?!

Stop concerning yourself about everyone else, not everyone plays the same way as you, not everyone enjoys the game in the same way, play how YOU want to play!!!

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The OP is definitely more concerned about how everyone else is playing, rather than himself.

From what it sounds like, he wants to level up in the fastest way possible but still have it take months. Thus elimination casual players from the game because they will never be able to reach max. You can log on for one day out of the week and gain 10-15 levels easily... he's sounds butthurt.

Sure the OP "can" level slowly, but it's not efficient so he won't do that. He would much rather complain that everyone is leveling too fast and try to get it nerfed.

This thread is stupid, they aren't going to change anything.

I don't think the XP curve needs to be adjusted for one simple fact, Discpiples of the Land and Hand have the same XP curve, and "grinding" them is insanely time consuming. If anything, the devs should tone down battle xp, but I think they're planning for the future caps more than anything, which is probably going to have some insane TNLs.

Currently to level a class is like racing on the autobahn. I would it like biking in the woods. Make the leveling more like a relaxing walking tour with alot content left and right, not like a hectic race where it only count how much exp/h max you can get to reach 50 in the shortest possible time.

Yoshi said in an interview he want level cap fairly easy to obtain but plans to make bosses and dungeons difficult and where the majorty of the gameplay and skill will be.

I'm all for this, there is a fear of players getting to level cap and not knowing how to play their jobs, but you will be forced to learn either way so I guess its not a huge concern for me.

Of course if they do plan to make leveling easy they need to provide plenty of end game content to keep us entertained.

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I don't think the XP curve needs to be adjusted for one simple fact, Discpiples of the Land and Hand have the same XP curve, and "grinding" them is insanely time consuming.

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There is nothing stopping the dev team having those classes on completely different xp curves though.

120 hours spent on one job does not teach you how to play or gain you any further skill than a few solid evenings polishing off your last ten ranks. I much prefer to have my classes brought up to the early 40 range (maybe peppered with a handful of leves here and there to gain guild marks for additional abilities and getting the basics down), and then taking a full party out to a stronghold and finishing things off while spiritbinding gear. It's in those last several ranks that you actually learn how your job works, since you're actually filling out your ability bars anyway. Weeks upon weeks of jamming the same 3 abilities over and over because that's all you can afford to put in your bar is neither engaging nor developmental to your character.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Leveling up has gotten way too easy.

In the past having a job leveled meant something.

You'd go and focus your character's career in certain job, maybe two if you had the time, and you invested in it. And eventually you'd hit the max level and get all your capped gear... and people would see it, and it'd give them something to look up to.

You'd become known amongst your friends as the healer or the tank or the damage dealer, depending on what your focus was.

But now everyone has pretty much everything leveled thanks to the new and dumb leveling curve. People even level a job to max just for the sake of equipping ifrit drops. And they get there within a week.

Most of the equipment you buy lasts less than a day since you are always qualifying for an upgrade because levels less than an hour to be completed.

You can get from 1 to 50 in just days if you shut your brain off through it.

Whats wrong with taking your time to build your character? Why must people who just started playing be doing endgame content?

Rate this thread up if you'd like for a steeper exp curve on the levels.

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nope, dont want it. Its not a one job game, even with jobs it will be at the very least a two job game.

also realize that they basically are making the optimum focus be the gear grind, that is how you really specialize and distinguish your charachter. and getting materia 2 or 3 gear requires a lot of grinding, either money wise, or exp wise. hence you will see people with specific focuses, IE

the +400 evasion pugilist
the +200 lightning magic mage
the +200 defense gladiator

these will be pretty rare, but they are possible, but due to the time required you probably wont see too many people specializing in more than 1 job

Well, based on the resultant likes, it seems the message is clear. Roughly 70% of players (that read forums) think the exp curve is appropriate.

Devs, take note, you've done something good here with your EXP Chain and Link bonuses. Your current exp curve is fairly favorable as well.

Lastly, player approval, on this matter, is quite high, so keep up the good work.

I don't know if it really needs to be harder to lvl really. I mean I know ppl back in FFxi that got to 1-75 in like a week. (back when that was the cap) So I don't think that it's really a matter of it being easy to lvl. I think some ppl are just freaks. :)

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Originally Posted by RemVye

The OP is definitely more concerned about how everyone else is playing, rather than himself.

From what it sounds like, he wants to level up in the fastest way possible but still have it take months. Thus elimination casual players from the game because they will never be able to reach max. You can log on for one day out of the week and gain 10-15 levels easily... he's sounds butthurt.

Sure the OP "can" level slowly, but it's not efficient so he won't do that. He would much rather complain that everyone is leveling too fast and try to get it nerfed.

This thread is stupid, they aren't going to change anything.

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Dude, what the **** are you talking about? My main job is marauder and it's been parking on 48 for like a month. And I assure you that I play the game pretty damn frequently.

But getting back into topic,
Such brief levels make middle range gear redundant. Why would you spend a few hours killing down an NM for an armor that would become obsolete if you were to spend the same ammount of time that you spent hunting for it (or even less) grinding?

If your game is really good leveling up should only be a small part of it. Making a long leveling curve is just a tool to mask the lack of content. This games level curve with battle crafting and gathering ends up being far more lengthy than just about any MMO out there as it is. Wanting it to be longer is wanting failure for the game at re-launch. They need to make the game have ALOT more content that is not leveling. I for one think that the battle and gathering side of things is just about right, but I would like to see crafting sped up alot.

If anything, leveling DoH/L needs to speed up to match battlecraft.

Materia is the true grind. Especially if you want to min/max you're character into a speciality.

There's nothing wrong with the current rate of exp gain. It's just long enough to learn the basics of each class. Anything more is unnecessary. This is a game whose content is focused on being at cap.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Dude, what the **** are you talking about? My main job is marauder and it's been parking on 48 for like a month. And I assure you that I play the game pretty damn frequently.

But getting back into topic,
Such brief levels make middle range gear redundant. Why would you spend a few hours killing down an NM for an armor that would become obsolete if you were to spend the same ammount of time that you spent hunting for it (or even less) grinding?

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wtf are you talking about

Why would you make a post about leveling if your main class is only 48?

It doesn't take a "few hours" to hunt an NM for armor. Most of the time its within 30 minutes. Sometimes you get unlucky and it takes an hour to get what drop you want.

Example:
Kokoroon armor (MRD / GLD / LNC) level 35 optimal
Paladin Leggs (bunch of stuff) lvl 35
Conq Elmo (MRD / GLD / LNC) lvl 35

I now don't have to get a head piece, body, or legs for 3 classes.... 3 out of 7 and I can use them from 29 - 41 or even 50.

Worth the 3hours invested to get them? I think so...

I think the curve is to high. Ppl can simply use gear drop from NM lvl 30-35 gear and party up within a week or less to get to 50 and use lvl 49 recipe gear, that s mean if gear from lvl 25 to below 49 mean nothing but just there for DoH to lvl up, materia come from those gear are useless as well.

So imo lvl fast is good (I hate grind) but make it so it balanced with craft gear so we can have a decent mid lvl economy too.

I am a crafter but I already stop craft wep lvl 30+,cos ppl with LS simply dont buy em but just use NM gear , dungeon gear or companies gear and dont bother re-new their gear with the 40s but go strainght to 49. I had been in pt with some DoW use lvl 25 armor & wep in raptor pt, and no kick em is not option to solve this problem either

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Originally Posted by Majidah

What they need to do is to stop putting all the content at level 50, start adding some mid range real content and make that curve a lot steeper.

In FFXI you had your RSE, your AF quests and so on, for example. In XIV it seems everything's put at the end of the line.

Not to mention you end up selling gear you just bought having barely broken it in.

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RSE and AF are midgame contents at best. CoP missions were midgame for years until a recent nerf that eliminated the cap. ToAU, RotZ's missions, Dynamis, Sky, Limbus/Sea, HNMs, and only WotG's missions were the only real "endgame", just about everything else was midgame-to-lowgame. Everything that was/is midgame, was endgame at some point in FFXI's history.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

You also need to remember that 50 is only the temporary endgame. A year from now, it will likely be the new midgame.

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Bingo!

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Originally Posted by Jynx

It should be noted that "Mid tier" content in XI is really old endgame content before the level cap was raised. Although the main issue with this is even if XIV raised the rank cap a large deal it would still be pointless to keep puttin in "Mid teir" content due to the rediculous pace of leveling in XIV.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Originally Posted by akisato

Leveling has and always will be completly meaningless, it is nothing more that a means to an end. i hope we can get off this "leveling has meaning" BS and realize it's really about stats and skills.

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This is the obvious difference between the majority of casual and hardcore players: casual players want the destination now, hardcore players believe in enjoying the journey itself; hell, even a casual player isn't always about the destination, but definitely the elitist casual players.

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Originally Posted by Engineer

Honestly i would rather level fast. I really hate grinding, i dont want to play a game just to level up. I want a game with lots of content. If it was up to me, i wouldnt raise the level cap from 50, i mean whats the point of raising it? Content becomes outdated, lower level areas become weak sauce, you have just like 2 good areas to go to thats at your level range, and its just silly to me. Why not keep the level cap at 50, so we have more of a variety of content, weapons, armor, and balancing at that level. Periodically raising the cap hinders us from content , only enabling us to do a few things at that given level. If the cap was kept at 50, i think Merit points would be a much needed addition to satisfy everyone.

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Even at 75 being cap, there had been plenty of early-to-mid game content in FFXI. It's just that the majority of players wanted to rush straight to 75 like a bunch of elitist idiots instead of enjoying the journey.

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Originally Posted by Gojin

screw you losers who want steeper leveling, you people need to get lives. I dont want to spend more time on this crappy game then I have to getting to 50.

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I'd rather be a loser and enjoy the journey than a sourpuss that whines because of something not being easy.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

@ OP, you're confusing hard work with video games. If you want to feel accomplished, shut off your computer and do something in real life. Video games are for fun and they are designed for masses of people since they take hundreds of people working for many years to create. If you want to play a hardcore online game I would recommend Dark Souls since you can profit from your skill in a very unique and lasting way.

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Dark Souls is hardcore? Please, I'm on NG+ and the game is still very easy. Telling me that DkS or DS is hard just tells me you suck at video games.

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Originally Posted by Manafont

Lets see.. in FF11 before hitting 75 you had NOTHING to do. 75 was when the game actually started, so i rather them add in tons of 50 content then a bunch of crap inbetween. times have changed. Less people want to spend forever grinding then they did back in the day. look at 11 now, quick grind up but tons to do once you are 75-95

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RSE and AF are midgame contents at best. CoP missions for the most part were midgame for years until a recent nerf that eliminated the cap. ToAU, RotZ's missions, Dynamis, Sky, Limbus/Sea, HNMs, and only WotG's missions were the only real "endgame", just about everything else was midgame-to-lowgame. Everything that was/is midgame, was endgame at some point in FFXI's history.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

ok well then please do not talk about "exping" when you pushed all your characters in AEO groups... do me a favour and level your pug to lv 50 (a mage class would have been better, or from lv 1 till max) till lv 50 just doing solo content (guildleves etc.)

its like I'd complain about the exp curve when letting high level characters power level my low char till lv 50. sorry. and.. you seem to have much time. me does not ;)


are you one of these guys that want to have back to old trashy, brillant "fatigue system"? *sarcasm off*
maybe thats why you complain about "fast leveling".



agreed.. but there we come to the "real" problem.. its the missing content. you cant do much except grinding and doing guildleves.

and thats why some players complain about "fast" leveling because they are frightened to see, that there is no content after doing the grind *lol


thats a MUCH more important point. the less content we are having till now. and its not just about boss fights.. there should be much better, exciting! SIDEQUEST's for leveling! not just even guildleves and stuff.

what is really way too easy are the missions and quests

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How ironic you trash the fatigue system, THE VERY SYSTEM THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED TO APPEAL TO YOU CASUAL PLAYERS!

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Originally Posted by Yazoo

There is some true in OP. But it's true only if you can find one Lvl50 character, who want to spend his time for leveling you. If you don't have any friend than it's hard to level up. And power leveling so boring.
I dont agreed with OP. If you realy need to level up quickly you can do it, But if you just started the game you can find a lot content on any level, but most players do not want to see it, they just want lvl cap.
Realy, who of you defited Toto-Rak with lvl30? Or mid-level NM with lvl25? It's fun to do on apropriate level, fun and hard.

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Oh please. You don't need a PL to get from 35 to 50 within a matter of hours. Granted, I will agree low-level exp is curved but that's because 35-50 has an inverted curve for party exp (albeit solo should NEVER grant nearly as much exp as a group can).

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

I think the curve is to high. Ppl can simply use gear drop from NM lvl 30-35 gear and party up within a week or less to get to 50 and use lvl 49 recipe gear, that s mean if gear from lvl 25 to below 49 mean nothing but just there for DoH to lvl up, materia come from those gear are useless as well.

So imo lvl fast is good (I hate grind) but make it so it balanced with craft gear so we can have a decent mid lvl economy too.

I am a crafter but I already stop craft wep lvl 30+,cos ppl with LS simply dont buy em but just use NM gear , dungeon gear or companies gear and dont bother re-new their gear with the 40s but go strainght to 49. I had been in pt with some DoW use lvl 25 armor & wep in raptor pt, and no kick em is not option to solve this problem either

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Granted, this is off-topic but I see you're on Besaid... I could use plenty of Level-appropriate waraxes for my 50 marauder, even to just turn into materia. Preferably need more Demilune Bhujs for sure.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Dude, what the **** are you talking about? My main job is marauder and it's been parking on 48 for like a month. And I assure you that I play the game pretty damn frequently.

But getting back into topic,
Such brief levels make middle range gear redundant. Why would you spend a few hours killing down an NM for an armor that would become obsolete if you were to spend the same ammount of time that you spent hunting for it (or even less) grinding?

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There is no way you can still only be 48 as Marauder. I got 45-50 on Marauder within a few hours with a good party that took plenty of breaks and at one point almost disbanded because we were down to a few members.

On the other hand, I agree with the last statement. But then again, every free-roaming NM has an incredibly small spawn timer.