Future leader of Apa Mhigo

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

Now that you mentioned it... there's Lucia.

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INB4...

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I think the long-lost prince of Ala Mhigo will be the new leader. But it really depends on how he'll be portrayed. He could either want to reinstate the old government or go for something completely different. Either way, I am getting the feeling that Yda is Ala Mhigan, due to her focus in the Ala Mhigan resistance over helping the rest of the Scions.

Surely, the Ala Mhigan resistance probably have a way to contact each cell and have a leader of some sort?

I doubt Ilberd will be that leader. Then again he might be able to redeem himself ala Ysayle.

Raubahn is loyal to Ul'dah and the Sultana, so he can't be the leader, but I can see him supporting a newly liberated Ala Mhigo one or way or another.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Then again he might be able to redeem himself ala Ysayle.

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There is a huge difference between Ilberd and Ysayle.

Sorry but I really see no honor in someone that not only kill his own countrymen but also someone that share his same goals, only beacuse that guy was loyal to the WoL.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

Now that you mentioned it... there's Lucia.

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Lucia is a -

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

INB4...

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Damn. Beaten to the punch. :(

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Lucia is a -



Damn. Beaten to the punch. :(

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Wait...

Brainwashed young soldier calling one who turned against his tyrannical overlords a traitor...

Are you calling Garlemald an evil Empire? :P

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Or at least someone like Gaius. Someone who pushes for an end of hostilities between Garlemald and Eorzea in favour of unity so that Ala Mhigo can harbour both Ala Mhigans and Garleans. I feel like that would make for a much more compelling tale overall - because it's been almost three decades since Ala Mhigo was occupied and there's no doubt going to be a lot of people there who don't want the status quo to suddenly change.

So, in short, something that plays out in a manner similar to how Archades was handled in FFXII would be lovely. That game was very big on intrigue and FFXIV is supposedly inspired by it if I've heard correctly. It certainly appears that way to me at least.

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There is also this that Ethys Pointed out in one of his videos that might be interesting regarding this as well, its worth taking a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y69WHbx7Nic

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Wait...

Brainwashed young soldier calling one who turned against his tyrannical overlords a traitor...

Are you calling Garlemald an evil Empire? :P

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Not at all. Though Cid and Lucia are equally as ridiculous as Finn, incidentally. Each of them are free of any moral complexity and spout nonsense about doing the 'right thing' even though they've turned their backs upon their people and are selling information that will no doubt get many civilians killed.

Drace's 'betrayal' of Vayne in FFXII was far more realistic. As was Reeve's complex morality back in FF7. Either character would have been an excellent model for Cid and Lucia in an effort to make them more interesting as far as I'm concerned because then they could work with both sides - secretly, if needed - in an effort to avert bloodshed on both sides.

Or, if not, the least that could be done is to specifically highlight that they're not as pure or righteous as they like to pretend they are.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

There is also this that Ethys Pointed out in one of his videos that might be interesting regarding this as well, its worth taking a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y69WHbx7Nic

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That's interesting! I do hope we get some answers in regards to some of the lingering mysteries soon. Perhaps 3.3 will reveal some answers to the questions brought up often here.

Interesting video, but it's highly speculative. Although he acknowledges it, it does require quite a few leaps in logic regarding the current lore. Ones which I might be willing to make under some circumstances, but certainly not ones which make this narrative all that compelling unless you grant them. I'd be very disappointed if he is some manner of half-breed, though (although I might make an exception for an Allagan one :D). There are more interesting turns they could take with a pureblood wielding the aether.

Is there any actual information on Theodred, or do we just know he exists at the moment? I'd find it kinda interesting if Ilberd turned out to be the heir incognito. Would kinda explain some of his behavior

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Not at all. Though Cid and Lucia are equally as ridiculous as Finn, incidentally. Each of them are free of any moral complexity and spout nonsense about doing the 'right thing' even though they've turned their backs upon their people and are selling information that will no doubt get many civilians killed.

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Okay, not exactly part of FFXIV, but the First Order doesn't really have "civilians" and completely wiped out several, inhabited planets without provocation using their superweapon. I get that you like to "root for the empire", but these people murdered billions of men, women, and children in an instant without a second thought.

I'd also point out that everyone has civilians and Garlemald's government has shown no qualms about wiping entire civilizations off the map if they don't lick their heels. Need I remind you that morality was not a deciding factor in the initial cancellation of Project Meteor? They were perfectly willing to wipe out Eorzea by dropping a moon on it, which would cause those civilian casualties you seem to care so much about, but several times greater.

And here's the damnedest thing: they did accomplish that goal and did drop the moon on us. If it weren't for Louisoix stopping it preemptively, the realm would be several times worse for wear and Garlemald wouldn't care an iota.

Considering Cid and Lucia villains for betraying Garlemald because "my country right or wrong" is idiotic. And crying about losing Garlean civilians in a war that Garlemald started is hypocrisy, especially when they themselves shown no qualms about genocide (which is less than can be said of Eorzea, we're not going to slaughter every Garlean down to the last child because this isn't that kind of story).

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Originally Posted by RomildaRayne

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Not to mention Ysayle's farewell performance at Azys Lla all but ensure that Garlemald would actually want to kill the Civilians, lest they summon primals. In the Othard sacking, They likely saw the casualties as collateral damage, a "necessary" sacrifice for their crusade. Now? The casualties would become the goal. In Garlemald, I'd expect propaganda popping up portraying Nael as the perfect commander instead of a rouge agent in light of this, as well as them planning ways that will succeed where Project Meteor failed.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

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As early as 1.0, they were willing to murder Echo users just for being capable of communicating with beast tribes, as being able to communicate with beast tribes is tantamount to being a beastman to them.

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Originally Posted by RomildaRayne

As early as 1.0, they were willing to murder Echo users just for being capable of communicating with beast tribes, as being able to communicate with beast tribes is tantamount to being a beastman to them.

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Mayhap I should had been clearer *ahem*, I meant to say they the spoken races were not the focus of their plans to Purge the realms of Primals up until this point.

I know, I was just adding some additional information to it.

A few other musings about Garlemald and its defectors:

Theo, I have no idea where your reading of Cid and Lucia comes from, because neither have done anything even close to what you're holding against them (other than defect, I suppose). And I can't believe that you, who are constantly championing muddied morality, would begrudge Eorzea the chance to defend itself, or a man and woman for choosing what they perceive (and the game actively and obviously portrays) as a lesser evil.* Let's look at this, shall we?

Cid has helped us infiltrate Garlean strongholds and taught us how to use their tech against them, yes, but it's not like he handed us a nuke and we proceeded to wipe Garlean cities off the map - literally all he's done is allowed Eorzea to stave off Dalamud and hold its own against an encroaching power that very decidedly does not have local interests at heart. And it's not like he's expressed any particular hatred for or bloodlust against his own people, he just found their zealous military-industrial complex and lust for conquest disagreeable and left it behind, seeking to atone by saving its next target from nothing less than a local apcalypse (!!).

Lucia, meanwhile, is even less deserving of your scorn. Until Heavensward, she was completely uninvolved in the operations against Garlemald, living in an isolationist city-state that went out of its way to stay out of things. Even when the story brings the Empire to her, she does little more than relate anecdotes. She's really more of person who left her home behind because she didn't like the direction it was headed and went to a place with a more agreeable government and culture.**

But even ignoring all that - we haven't actually encountered any Garlean civilians. We've literally only fought against the invading army! Civilians haven't even been a factor! If we break into Ala Mhigo and there are a bunch of civilian casualties and the game doesn't call anybody out on it, we can then have this conversation, but until then it's a completely moot point.

This game and its situations are plenty interesting without all this hyperbolic whitewashing of Garlemald's actions and hyperbolic vilification of Eorzea's.
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*If they're an evil at all. I don't like throwing around terms like evil, even with Garlemald, but it certainly falls much closer on the spectrum than any place in Eorzea does.
** Yes, yes, I know, Ishgard. But she does chill with the significantly more temperate Aymeric.

It's a matter of filling in the gaps. Look at what Eorzeans do whenever they're betrayed by one of their own. Look at the reasons as to why they react in such a way when dealing with traitors and defectors. Then apply the same reasoning from Garlemald's perspective.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's a matter of filling in the gaps. Look at what Eorzeans do whenever they're betrayed by one of their own. Look at the reasons as to why they react in such a way when dealing with traitors and defectors. Then apply the same reasoning from Garlemald's perspective.

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Fine, but the question still remains: what, exactly, causes your abhorrence of these two characters?You make an appeal to morality (potential civilian deaths), but that morality isn't even a narrative factor at this point. Again, Cid could maybe, hypothetically be the indirect result of civilian casualties (when/if we get close enough to a non-military Garlean settlement to encounter some, anyways) but hasn't been yet, and he doesn't seem especially interested in waging war against his homeland; Lucia, meanwhile, hasn't done anything but shack up in Ishgard. And yet, these characters are lower than dirt to you, and I'm forced to assume it's simply because they chose to leave Garlemald - their aggressive, expansionist, warmongering dictatorship of a home - behind them.

Which, fine if you hold up blind loyalty to the land of one's birth as a morally upright virtue, but the game would seem to disagree with you. Unless you can point out somewhere in the game where it's ever even implied that them leaving is presented as disgusting as you make it out to be, purely as a matter of course (because, again, there have yet to be any serious moral consequences to them leaving). You talk about filling in the gaps, but you're "filling in the gaps" with stuff that's either completely at odds with how the game presents things, or a serious distortion of the same.

(And now that I think about it, even our assaults on Garlean military strongholds have been entirely reactionary - even with an asset like Cid, Eorzea isn't exactly throwing soldiers at Castrums hoping they'll fall. It's all been in the face of impending doom of some kind).

We're better off just agreeing to disagree. There's literally nothing of value to be had in regurgitating the same old back and forth arguments surrounding Garlemald. We don't know a whole lot about the place, most of what is posted is pure speculation or outright misinformation. Something that readily applies to both sides of the 'debate'.

At least when 3.3 is upon us this board will - hopefully - perk up when some of the regulars return and there's fresh lore developments to discuss.

Why we dont compare this situation with the Nazi Germany, sure there were a lot of Germans who did not agree with Hitlers ideals. Most of them had to flee beacuse of this. Are you going is the same? Being a traitor just beacuse you dont agree with the "awfull politics" that your current country is suffering?

It's probably best to avoid making those sort of comparisons altogether considering that we haven't actually seen Garlemald for ourselves yet. Comparing it to something as controversial as Nazi Germany feels rather unfair.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's probably best to avoid making those sort of comparisons altogether considering that we haven't actually seen Garlemald for ourselves yet. Comparing it to something as controversial as Nazi Germany feels rather unfair.

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I dont think so. Withouth counting the most known facts. Both share lots of common things.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Or at least someone like Gaius. Someone who pushes for an end of hostilities between Garlemald and Eorzea in favour of unity so that Ala Mhigo can harbour both Ala Mhigans and Garleans. I feel like that would make for a much more compelling tale overall - because it's been almost three decades since Ala Mhigo was occupied and there's no doubt going to be a lot of people there who don't want the status quo to suddenly change.

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Maybe I'm a bit late to the party, but there is RL precedent for people holding a grudge far longer than three decades. Just look at the situation in Ireland/Northern Ireland between the Irish and the British. The only reason Northern Ireland is still a thing is because the British imported a bunch of lower class Brits and Scots to Northern Ireland and gave them land (which was a big deal back in the day), and those transplants, finally being landowners, were willing to fight and die for the land they had finally been able to acquire.

If Garlemald did something similar (I see no reason why they wouldn't) then we could really get knee deep in the sh*t, politically speaking.

Ala Mhigo is not going to be a success story like presumably Ishgard
The entire nation will crumble because of a WMD like Ultima/Omega going out of control
It will be the "The Empire Strikes Back" of FFXIV, perhaps literally

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Originally Posted by Kotori_Southburd

Ala Mhigo is not going to be a success story like presumably Ishgard
The entire nation will crumble because of a WMD like Ultima/Omega going out of control
It will be the "The Empire Strikes Back" of FFXIV, perhaps literally

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I think we already suffer that.

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Originally Posted by Kotori_Southburd

Ala Mhigo is not going to be a success story like presumably Ishgard
The entire nation will crumble because of a WMD like Ultima/Omega going out of control
It will be the "The Empire Strikes Back" of FFXIV, perhaps literally

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Unless they do something to endear me to the Ala Mhigans really fast I honestly won't be too tore up over this.

Well, Ala Mhigo has probably already all but crumbled; remember, they went through a fairly major revolution just prior to Gaius invading, and between being host to a foreign legion and going through a cultural upheaval, it's hard to imagine them retaining much of a national identity, at least publically. If there is some kind of devastation, it will be against the XIVth Legion still occupying it. Which would be interesting! I think it would be fascinating if we go to Ala Mhigo not as part of a military campaign to take it back, but because something caused the Empire to abandon it.

That said, I'm not sure I buy that they'd all be a "Garlean Generation" just because a few decades have passed either - half of Berlin was a Soviet state for longer than Ala Mhigo's been occupied, and they more or less shrugged and carried on once the Wall went down - and there's surely a local resistance of some sort, if even just a token one.

But yeah, I'm kinda curious about how the plot will move us in that direction. it's hard to get particularly fired up about liberating the place as things stand now. Much of what we know about pre-Garlean Ala Mhigo paints a picture even less endearing than Ishgard-under-Thordan:
-A "mad king" of sorts, who ruled with cruelty and incompetence.
-A population so ready to tear itself apart that Gaius was able to manipulate them into creating their own downfall. From the shadows, no less.
-With little to no mention of them in the century between the Autumn War and Gaius' coup, I get the sense they were even more isolationist than Ishgard (who at least had the excuse of a forever war against a horde of dragons).

That said, I think we have a more balanced cast of Ala Mhigan faces outside the city than most give credit for. Sure, the Resistance is pretty dire, most of them being either hopelessly naive or outright antagonistic, but we also have people like Widargelt, Erik, and Raubahn. As much as I'd like to see Garlemald become a part of the main plot thread again, there's plenty of opportunity for good drama with the Ala Mhigan cast currently assembled.

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Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji

That said, I'm not sure I buy that they'd all be a "Garlean Generation" just because a few decades have passed either - half of Berlin was a Soviet state for longer than Ala Mhigo's been occupied, and they more or less shrugged and carried on once the Wall went down.

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Raubahn: "Mr Galvus - TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!"

Judging from the pictures, the city looks quite Garlean these days, I imagine a lot of the old city has been replaced by Garlean structures.
http://i.imgur.com/fQV7GMD.jpg

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Originally Posted by Laili

Unless they do something to endear me to the Ala Mhigans really fast I honestly won't be too tore up over this.

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They same could be said about the Ishgardians leading into HW. We have had a number of friendly Ala Mhigans along the way as well as the jerks. Yda, Raubahn, and a bunch of the folks from Little Ala Mhigo. Wilred was a decent and earnest kid once he learned his lesson. I might be in the minority but his murder is one of the things that makes me less incline to be forgiving to Ilberd.

The most logical reason for us heading to Ala Mhigo is to counter another invasion attempt by Garlemald rather than simply to free Ala Mhigo. Its something they have been building towards for quite a long time now. 3.X has built up the military strength of the Eorzean Alliance a lot both due to the MSQ and in the Job quest lines themselves.

They could pull a curveball on us and have something come completely out of left field but it seems the most likely plot. What we actually do with Ala Mhigo and the Garleans who have settled there will be something dealt with once we actually have stopped Garlemald's war machine. My guess is things will get a lot more complicated once we are there, particularly if Garlemald is our future destination. If we go to Garlemald I'm betting we will be working with at least groups within Garlemald by that stage so the in for that would be in Ala Mhigo.

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Originally Posted by Kotori_Southburd

Ala Mhigo is not going to be a success story like presumably Ishgard
The entire nation will crumble because of a WMD like Ultima/Omega going out of control
It will be the "The Empire Strikes Back" of FFXIV, perhaps literally

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I'm inclined to agree it will be that way. I kind of wish that it wouldn't be that way though, I want to say we could use more genuine triumph compared to moments of bittersweet triumph where we won at a cost, but given we're going to a heavily occupied and oppressed nation it will probably be just as dark as the ishgard storyline. I don't know, part of me wants an xpac that's more like the story of the original final fantasy, heroes save the world and the princess against a great evil and everything afterwards is sunshine and roses before we go to whatever the next story is and things go grimdark again.

I know it sounds boring, but I feel as though the story could use more genuine moments of triumph to juxtapose all of the Estinhogg screaming about murdering everyone and hurting our allies. Take the last appearance of Estinhogg as an example, I really think that overall moment would have been better without him, in my opinion anyway.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

They same could be said about the Ishgardians leading into HW. We have had a number of friendly Ala Mhigans along the way as well as the jerks. Yda, Raubahn, and a bunch of the folks from Little Ala Mhigo. Wilred was a decent and earnest kid once he learned his lesson. I might be in the minority but his murder is one of the things that makes me less incline to be forgiving to Ilberd.

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I dont think you are on the minority, a lot of ppl ( myself ) agreed. Killing your own countrymen and that also share a same goal, its the biggest betrayal that he could have made, and lost all honor that had left.
I'm sure he will play the role as a major villian on the 4.0 expansion.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I might be in the minority but his murder is one of the things that makes me less incline to be forgiving to Ilberd.

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I'd be content with just lopping his arms off tbh. ;)

I do want to see Ilberd bring Raubahn down a few more pegs though. Again, bias at play here but I loathe Raubahn's character. He's just another arrogant loudmouth who is inexplicably powerful enough to clash directly with what is very likely to be the most powerful individual in Eorzea even after losing a limb.

I would have preferred for him to have been humbled, for his injury to be more meaningful. Yet as with pretty much everything else at the end of 2.0 the status quo didn't change at all. I can't help but find his relationship with Nanamo creepy rather than cute. Though so long as it doesn't become canon it's hard to hold it against him.

As far as Ilberd, goes? I don't want him to be another Ysayle. Lady Iceheart came across as someone who we could very well side with or at least reason with very early on. She was misguided, sure, but she played a major part in bringing the dirty secrets of Ishgard to light. She even sacrificed herself for that cause. She still had blood on her hands though - even if it was unintentional. Ilberd, meanwhile, doesn't come across as particularly sympathetic. He's arrogant and more than willing to kill people with the same goals as him such as Wilred. Ysayle didn't kill anyone we knew and worked with directly (unless I'm not recalling stuff correctly).

Plus Ilberd being an outright and permanent antagonist leaves plenty of room for us to oppose him and the men loyal to him. If he does something horrible such as slaughter a bunch of non-combatants than not only does it make more influential Eorzeans more morally dubious but it adds another complexity to the situation with Ala Mhigo and opens up a solid reason to side with some Garleans who remain loyal to their homeland and people but do not wish to see needless bloodshed on either side.

In short, when it comes to Garlemald the more inspiration the developers take from The Archadian Empire in FFXII the better as far as I'm concerned.

Seconded, I also loathe Raubahn for similar reasons. It is a shame that he did not expire following the whole Nanamo incident. As little as I like Ilberd, I prefer him over Raubahn and Nanamo.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Seconded, I also loathe Raubahn for similar reasons. It is a shame that he did not expire following the whole Nanamo incident. As little as I like Ilberd, I prefer him over Raubahn and Nanamo.

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You can saw byebye to him. Ilberd wont last much longer.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I do want to see Ilberd bring Raubahn down a few more pegs though. Again, bias at play here but I loathe Raubahn's character. He's just another arrogant loudmouth who is inexplicably powerful enough to clash directly with what is very likely to be the most powerful individual in Eorzea even after losing a limb.

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Not sure what to think of that. I don't see Raubahn as a traitor, but I do think he might have a lesser version of why you accuse Cid and Lucia of (to Ala Mhigo, Not Garlemald).

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I would have preferred for him to have been humbled, for his injury to be more meaningful. Yet as with pretty much everything else at the end of 2.0 the status quo didn't change at all. I can't help but find his relationship with Nanamo creepy rather than cute. Though so long as it doesn't become canon it's hard to hold it against him.

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I'm confused... What relationship are you talking about? a familiar one or a Ship?

On the Humbling, I supposed it would be interesting if Illberd got to Ala Mhigo first and accused Raubahn of Treachery there, making him the target of the ire of those not wanting to liberate them from Garlemald. Think about it. 2 Factions, one loyal to Garlmald, the other loyal to Illberd. The latter hating Raubahn and Ul'Dah and willing to wage war with them after ousting the Garlean occupiers.

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As far as Ilberd, goes? I don't want him to be another Ysayle. Lady Iceheart came across as someone who we could very well side with or at least reason with very early on. She was misguided, sure, but she played a major part in bringing the dirty secrets of Ishgard to light. She even sacrificed herself for that cause. She still had blood on her hands though - even if it was unintentional. Ilberd, meanwhile, doesn't come across as particularly sympathetic. He's arrogant and more than willing to kill people with the same goals as him such as Wilred. Ysayle didn't kill anyone we knew and worked with directly (unless I'm not recalling stuff correctly).

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I agree. I'd rather he'd side with the Ascians then the WoL at this point. I loath the guy for what he did for Nanamo and the Scions, and would like the chance to show him how revenge/karma feels like (Hint; It tastes like Ahk Morn)

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Plus Ilberd being an outright and permanent antagonist leaves plenty of room for us to oppose him and the men loyal to him. If he does something horrible such as slaughter a bunch of non-combatants than not only does it make more influential Eorzeans more morally dubious but it adds another complexity to the situation with Ala Mhigo and opens up a solid reason to side with some Garleans who remain loyal to their homeland and people but do not wish to see needless bloodshed on either side.

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That would be an interesting twist, but I have a feeling that any attempt at that would just add more people to your "Category Traitor" list. Instead. Especially since we are likely going to Ala Mhigo to sever Garlemald's foot in the door. Thought we haven't met any civilians yet, it stands to reason that most of them would be indoctrinated (if not outright tempered. Given the 1.0 scene with Gaius and the refugees, I expect they found a way to artificially temper others to further their anti-primal goals).

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In short, when it comes to Garlemald the more inspiration the developers take from The Archadian Empire in FFXII the better as far as I'm concerned.

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Agreed, but I think that there are too many differences between the two empires for it to be possible. Mainly where as Vayne willingly worked with a god to stop the gods from controlling Destiny. Solus and Varis seem (keyword italicized) to be using it as an excuse for World Domination, and likely sees all deiform entities as beings to be purged, liley up to and includeing the giant blue crystal that the planet is named after. Guess time will tell if their viewpoint is correct or not.

On a side note. I want to ask if the Archadean empire ever threatened to kill all the Bangaa or Seeq? My memory of XII is a little bit hazy

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Originally Posted by DE-Roxas

Gaius Van Baelsar. We didnt see him dead after all. After we beat him he finally realised he was blinded by the ascians and joines our side. I'd love that.
Make Gaius great again.

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While I'm not entirely opposed to this, there would need to be a bit of a redemption story here as a lot of bad things were done in Ala Mhigo under his watch and as governor that is really on his head.

Also, I believe Yoshi P did say in an interview that Gaius is supposed to be dead but if they did bring him back in the future, it probably wouldn't be how people seem to want him back. SE plans WAY in advance.

I have another question. Since the Autumn War, Gridania and Ala Mhigo have a lot of enmity. It stands to reason that when we go to Ala Mhigo, that the elementals and a lot of people in the shroud would take umbrage to the attempt. Do you think that the Elementals or those devout to them would try to destroy Ala Mhigo or hinder the Scions

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

I have another question. Since the Autumn War, Gridania and Ala Mhigo have a lot of enmity. It stands to reason that when we go to Ala Mhigo, that the elementals and a lot of people in the shroud would take umbrage to the attempt. Do you think that the Elementals or those devout to them would try to destroy Ala Mhigo or hinder the Scions

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The elementals have a more important things to do than dealing with Ala Mhigo, to be honest I dont think they even care at all.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

I have another question. Since the Autumn War, Gridania and Ala Mhigo have a lot of enmity. It stands to reason that when we go to Ala Mhigo, that the elementals and a lot of people in the shroud would take umbrage to the attempt. Do you think that the Elementals or those devout to them would try to destroy Ala Mhigo or hinder the Scions

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No. More to the point, its worth remembering that the Autumn war was a hundred years prior. While there would probably be some agro pasted down, that's a long time ago. No one living in Gridania these days would have actually been around at the time it was fought. The elementals aren't that caught up in politics. They don't reject Ala Mhigans specifically. After all there are several cases of Ala Mhigans have accepted. Elementals judge people individually on wether they feel the individual will be a detriment to the twelveswood.

I don't see either the Elementals or the Gridanians interfering with any attempt to drive the Garleans out of Ala Mhigo or even set up the city state again. Removal of the Garleans, like all the city states, is in their interests and probably the primary reason the Eorzean Alliance would move against Ala Mhigo next expac. Whatever the Ala Mhigans did 100 years prior, the Garleans have a bloody big Castrum smack dab in the twelveswood right now, sending incursions into the forest and inciting the local Sylphs. The Garleans are the reason the Sylphs chose to summon Ramuh in the first place.