Au Ra, what are they?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd only be interested in a 'third clan' for each of the playable races if they're going to be distinct both physically and in terms of their lore. It'd take up a lot of development time, sure, but it'd be a good way to include highly desired options for customisation.

So far only Hyur have major physical differences between their clans. For the other race's clans it's a lot more subtle.

As a rough example they could add Ishgardian Elezen with more muscle (which would make sense given that their people are built on strength and hardship) to appease those like myself who prefer their elves to be big and beefy.

For Au Ra they could go with something a bit closer to the original design displayed in the early concept art.

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As someone who role-plays an Ishgardian, i whole-heartly agree with the idea of giving the Elezen an third clan who's beefier and less girafe-looking.

@Nalien
If you look at a few of the horn types (specifically, I know the upper right male horn does this, and I think Yugiri's base face also does it, not just her) they have a redish color on them (it's often covered by the bangle or metal plate you can add)

Come on third clan Au'ra mix up sizes. Large females small males...

I'll say again the third clan for Miqote should be foxes. Yes I know "foxes aren't cats" neither are Miqote. There's enough of a desire to see fox people in the game and I am not sure there's enough variation in Fox people that could get 2 whole clans and them not just end up looking very Miqotish

Mountain Folk for Lalafells, more muscular explicitly hitting the "dwarf" trope.

I was pretty disappointed by Au Ra honestly. Dragons are my favourite mythical beings, so when I saw the concept art of dragon-like beings I was excited about it. But the end product was these scabby goat looking things.

What are the Au Ra? Other than a disappointment, I don't know.

Could somebody post a link to the concept art?

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Meh, this doesn't surprise me. While a LOT better than many examples, FFXIV devs still seem to labor under the impression that the game should be tailored for heterosexual male tastes regardless of the fact that the game has a substantial female playerbase. Manly men are fine. Even bishonen are fine. But cutesy Uke-type boys? No way - that might trigger a precious male subscriber! Ditto for no girly outfits for men (plenty of manly clothes for women, of course - no bruising of delicate male sensibilities there!).

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Can we keep this stuff on tumblr? Seriously. Your claim that there's no "girly outfits" for men is pretty ridiculous, too. Just look at the Coliseum set and most of our caster gear. If you want something more recently added, how about the Uraeus Skirt? Do females get a greater number of feminine choices than males do? Yes. That doesn't change the fact that males still have some available.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I doubt they'll ever add Garleans as a playable race. As much as I'd love that to happen I can't see them doing it with their inability to wield Aether unless they somehow manage to get around that by having a Garlean Warrior of Light being some sort of exception. All they really need to do is add a 'Third Eye' glamour as well as some of the gear used by the likes of Livia, Gaius, Regula and Nero. Combined with some facial tweaks for Hyur it'd be fairly easy to portray a Garlean that way.

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I kinda feel like it'd be some kind of weird lore cop-out if a pureblood Garlean could even be a WoL.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I kinda feel like it'd be some kind of weird lore cop-out if a pureblood Garlean could even be a WoL.

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I wouldn't say that. Being a Warrior of Light is about being chosen by the planet itself, which means she can probably make up the rules as she chooses. A Garlean WoL could happen just as soon as she chooses to make it happen.

Small changes such as Hilda's elf like ears, and Garlean Third eye gems, should hopefully make it to the character creation options. As they simply reuse existing art assets, devolpment time shouldn't be to much of a nightmare. However the implementation of the Aura was a real let down. The lore even states the Xaela revere a "Dusk Mother" and have a warlike tribal society, a perfect platform to introduce an option for an imposing, strong, feral female race/ matriarchal society.

/\ You mean like the Keepers of the Moon (Miqo'te)? Aside the fact that Keepers are not warmongerers.

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Originally Posted by Vergill

Aside the fact that Keepers are not warmongerers.

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Neither are (most of) the Xaela, for that matter. Most of the description we get in that naming convention post focuses on the hunter/gatherer aspect of their culture, with only a small handful explicitly mentioning combat. In fact, by my count, there are a whopping SEVEN that are especially warlike (Adarkim, Borlaaq, Budugu, Jhungid, Kharlu, Qerel, Dotharl). Seven, of fifty-one.

I agree that the Xaela are, as a whole, raised in a different enough culture from the Raen that distinct emotes (especially for the women!) would have made a lot of sense, but the idea that their sexual dimorphism would somehow differ seems suspect, to me, especially because the difference is so stark to begin with. What I'm interested in is at what point in their life cycle this size differnce manifests (puberty is a good bet, but who knows).

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

I wouldn't say that. Being a Warrior of Light is about being chosen by the planet itself, which means she can probably make up the rules as she chooses. A Garlean WoL could happen just as soon as she chooses to make it happen.

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I think we don't even know why Garleans are unable to use magic (something to do with that third eye), so declaring that Hydaelyn can just make up the rules as she pleases is probably going a bit far.
We've seen enough things that were way beyond her control already, and that's not even counting the calamities happening. She couldn't even protect her chosen WoL from Midgardsomr's interference.
All you'd need is an equally strong being behind the Garleans inability to weave aether and Hydaelyn couldn't do anything at all.

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It's all been said already (that they are meant to be demonic looking), but I still like to imagine that they are a dragon x human lovechild (don't worry about the logistics of that, they reproduce asexually...which probably still holds true for Au Ra to this day, since that size difference is nothing to laugh at either^^°)

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Originally Posted by Atoli

It's all been said already (that they are meant to be demonic looking), but I still like to imagine that they are a dragon x human lovechild (don't worry about the logistics of that, they reproduce asexually...which probably still holds true for Au Ra to this day, since that size difference is nothing to laugh at either^^°)

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Aside from the dragon connection having been refuted, we actually have evidence of regular sexual reproduction - breeding practices are directly mentioned in the little summaries of the Xaela Goro and Borlaaq tribes, so size difference or not, they breed as any other race of man does.

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Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji

Aside from the dragon connection having been refuted

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I know that, which is why I said I still like to imagine it was that way. Also because it makes a lot more sense than crushing poor little Auri ladies to death xD

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Originally Posted by Atoli

I know that, which is why I said I still like to imagine it was that way. Also because it makes a lot more sense than crushing poor little Auri ladies to death xD

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I'll have you know that my hulking dragonman is more than capable of being gentle with his little waifu.

She is Xaela and she is scary and she would probably slap the ever-living crap out of him if he wasn't. xD

And size disparity like that isn't unheard of in nature (think of all the various breeds of dogs, and the incredible size difference between some). Au Ra breed with one another, thus "crushing their ladies" is clearly not an issue. Something about their biology obviously accommodates the size difference.

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Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji

Neither are (most of) the Xaela, for that matter. Most of the description we get in that naming convention post focuses on the hunter/gatherer aspect of their culture, with only a small handful explicitly mentioning combat. In fact, by my count, there are a whopping SEVEN that are especially warlike (Adarkim, Borlaaq, Budugu, Jhungid, Kharlu, Qerel, Dotharl). Seven, of fifty-one.

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That is not entiry accurate. You are missing a lot of context by only reading the snippets of different tribes. That is what makes each one unique from another, it is not the full context of their nature. Imagine somebody asked you to describe something to them that had many subsets. You would likely begin by describing the generalization of the subsets as a whole, then break off to explain what makes each subset different from the last. We are told Xaelas are always warring with one another, then go into a list of the tribes. The only ones that wouldnt fight, thusly, are the ones that explicitly state that they do not. That would be the trait that makes them unique. The entire description of Xaelas states:

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Unlike their sister clan, the Raen, who lead solitary lives hidden behind the savage peaks of Othard's eastern reaches, the Xaela are free spirits who roam the vast western steppe in close-knit tribes hunting, gathering, and warring as their ancestors have for countless generations.

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Just because they ommited the warring part from the very brief individual tribal descriptions does not mean that they do not go to war. All of them do, aside from the very few that say they don't. Basically, if it doesn't say they are peaceful or avoid conflict, they fight each other. Some require more description of their aggressiveness because that is what makes them special (like the dotharls) while the peaceful ones also require that distinction. The rest? They fight, too. They just have another unique custom that sets them apart, thus requires the tribe's spotlight tidbit. If this were not the case, there would not be some that only talk about avoiding fights.

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Originally Posted by Hinoto-no-Ryuji

And size disparity like that isn't unheard of in nature (think of all the various breeds of dogs, and the incredible size difference between some). Au Ra breed with one another, thus "crushing their ladies" is clearly not an issue. Something about their biology obviously accommodates the size difference.

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Didn't the developers outright state that they deliberately adjusted the race's design to appeal to different target audiences for each gender? I could have sworn I read that somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Didn't the developers outright state that they deliberately adjusted the race's design to appeal to different target audiences for each gender? I could have sworn I read that somewhere.

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That's true but that was a design decision and in FF14 they make a habit of creating lore to fit those design decisions. As Koji said at just the panel yesterday, if they decide to add carbonara to the game the lore people need to figure out what culture has carbonara as part of its cooking. Designers figured out what the Au Ra aesthetic was going to be. The lore guys then figured out how to explain why it is that way.

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Originally Posted by GunsBlazing

That is what makes each one unique from another, it is not the full context of their nature.

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Mm, I kinda feel like you have it backwards, there. Some of them war. Some of them are more focused around a hunter-gatherer existence. Some are nomadic, some are stationary. Thus, the little introduction to them is accurate inasmuch as it seeks to cover the Xaela as a whole. The part with all the context is the tribal blurbs, and they seem to be less about noting exceptions than they are about giving specifics.

And by your own logic, the fact that the seven I mentioned above go out of their way to mention the warmongering activities really rather supports my point; if it was a given, it wouldn't be worth noting. NONE of the characteristics mentioned in the general description are a given. It all changes tribe to tribe.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Didn't the developers outright state that they deliberately adjusted the race's design to appeal to different target audiences for each gender? I could have sworn I read that somewhere.

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Yeah, probably (I think I remember reading that too), but I don't see why they can't designed to appeal to specific demosgraphics AND have a biological precedent. Whatever the case, we have direct references to male-female reproduction; therefore, the size disparity clearly isn't an issue in that area.