Player Respect, where did it go?

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Grinding is a huge reason people get so numb with player interaction over time.
As you can level everything on one single character, you get to do a lot of that eventually. Same 15-60s dungeons, hundreds of times.

In the end, you try to do them as efficient as possible. Dungeon entered, head lowered, shoulders relaxed, autopilot on, and hoping you get them done around the magical 20 minutes.

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Which is another reason why I'll never have every job at level 60 lol... Took all 22 jobs in FFXI to level 99, and only used three of them (COR > NIN > WHM). Not going that route with XIV; only the jobs I'll play/use.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Respectfully, people should check their ability potency before deciding that they shouldn't AOE. Too many DPS fall into this trap.

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I prefer Doton as my aoe, but I'll use Katon if tank needs to constantly move the mobs around due to mob aoes. Otherwise, it's Kassatsu + Doton for me.

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Originally Posted by Anienai

Same here. I'm at the point of dropping the group w/e there is a hint of bullshit.

I log.
I lewt.
I leave.

I have no patience.

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I have Stoneskin with a potency of 9000, so I can tolerate staying and ignoring the insults, especially if I joined as a dps 21 minutes after being in queue. DC Universe has a nicer community.

Found an answer for ya,

if you want respect, don't use the DF ? like come on, it's way out in the open obvious.

Only play with FC members, only play with Linkshell members, get people who are good and stop running with bads (DF).

You're welcome for the solution.

I was called retarded because 1 mob slipped away from my pull at pharos sirius normal.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

You're welcome for the solution.

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I don't have any friends, ls, or FC. Thx for rubbing it in too.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

Found an answer for ya,

if you want respect, don't use the DF ? like come on, it's way out in the open obvious.

Only play with FC members, only play with Linkshell members, get people who are good and stop running with bads (DF).

You're welcome for the solution.

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Originally Posted by RickXRolled

We just need safety warnings for people who are new to the internet.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

One bad person in a dungeon means everyone is bad. Makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

So you punished everyone else in your group for his bad behavior? :(

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Originally Posted by Lithe

Why do people need to make a forums post about 1 little bad instance?

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Are you guys serious? Look at all this shitposting. Someone is upset about a bad experience, whether it's just once or a multitude of times, and you have to go all "You're welcome for the solution" and "don't do DF if you get whiny" blah blah blah. Like really, if you can't be supportive go elsewhere, 'cause all you're doing is enlarging that shitpost count you have on your profile.

I do agree however with a post from another user; This kind of behaviour now perpetuates a 'Don't talk Don't aggro' mentality the more you play. If someone's complaining, try not to involve yourself, because 9/10 times it will come back around to you, no matter how nice you mean something. Eventually, these people won't have as great an experience at making other people's time unhappy and they eventually leave due to boredom. Just don't coddle the behaviour. But sadly yes, I too wonder where all the respect has gone.

Take care, and ignore the rudeness. You'll be stronger for it.

I (very rarely) say anything in dungeons, my way of showing respect to other players is doing my role to the best of my ability and pulling my own weight. I generally will only speak in a dungeon if I am specifically asked a question, i.e. while leveling a healer, tanks have asked me if I mind if they pulled big or healers specifically asking me to pull big when I am tanking. I will respond to that, but not really anything else. If someone is new I will offer them an abridged set of tips based on what they need to know to beat a boss. "Don't stand in this, dps that add when it pops, move here when this happens, win." Something like that.

Sorry, but I have to say this.

Welcome to MMO's. If you can't take it, I recommend removing your chat.

Until now other than JP data center community is really that bad? I mean, I keep seeing "toxic and salty in DF" thread in this place while I only use auto-translate <Let's do it!> and <Good game!> when doing DF.

One thing I've come to expect on the Internet, is to never expect people to be nice and/or respectful.
Above all, some of these disrespectful players think they can throw their e-peens / crowns (I'm looking at you mentors!) around like it has tonnage.

I'd say the next time something like this happens, laugh it off, share the love in the DF Horror Stories thread, and then remind yourself, you play this game for your own enjoyment.
Life's too short to take a bunch of rude people on the internet seriously. :)

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Originally Posted by Rhyku

I'd say the next time something like this happens, laugh it off, share the love in the DF Horror Stories thread, and then remind yourself, you play this game for your own enjoyment.
Life's too short to take a bunch of rude people on the internet seriously. :)

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This ^ Sadly some people just enjoy the misery of others, so you win by not even letting them ruffle your feathers. I mean... Blm saying someone is pulling to many mobs? As a Blm when I see big pulls I smile, as should any great blm.

But on another note. Rhyku said it best. Don't let them ruin your experience, and enjoy the game and all its greatness. And a little tip that you may know or may not know, Nin can dish out great Aoe damage. I'm new to Nin, but always willing to share what I know to help out...

Once the tank get officially settled throw down the Doton, during this moment reset your haste with armor crush and then once your ninjitsu is close to ready, pop blood for blood, and internal release. Then throw Katon fire aoe, Kassatsu, then throw another Katon aoe fire, followed by repeated death blossoms. With blood for blood up and internal release, and haste up, you can throw them fast and they become another heavy dot within themselves. Sometimes i can crit each death blossom for 1k + like this.

Hope I helped out a little, enjoy the game, forget about that dude, and make friends doing the little things in game. You'd be surprise some of the people you meet. Cause if you ever feel yourself getting to grindy, just always remember, Yoshi P put a lot of different stuff in this game, and I mean a lot, just look at the market boards. LOL Take care, and just enjoy learning new stuff everyday :)

Let's get one thing straight. The community in the game IS aggressive BUT, it is also oversensitive. People tend to feel attacked whenever they are given advice, be it in PC form or directly. Bad players get cuddled and carried all the time. Sure I don't kick or leave every time I encounter a less than perfect player but I do try and give them advice and if it is received badly and they start arguing, there is either the vote kick (I usually am in a dungeon with my OH) or I leave.

OT, never punish the rest of the party because one player is an idiot. If you really don't want to leave, just close your chat and continue the dungeon not paying attention to the person. Why do others have to suffer double? You would be out of that person's face sooner if you would just hurry up and finish the dungeon. Of course, you usually can vote kick even though it wasn't possible here.

I am usually a very patient person (too patient at times) but there are limits and never would i act like an idiot because another player annoys me.

@OP's original post:
Just...some people take advice as an insult and criticism as harrassment. Sometimes it's just better to keep one's mouth shut and leave the party silently if the people you're with suck so much that they're disfunctionally bad and either failing or significantly slowing down the group. If the bad players start being unable to complete content they will come out and ask for help on their rotation/mechanics/etc. Or, if their ego's that huge that they didn't think they did anything wrong, they might just quit and say this game is too hard. I am personally OK with either outcome.

Pretty sure politeness went out the window with the anonymity of the internet. When people can be rude with no real consequences with a seemingly positive effect on their time... then they will be rude.

People are saying to run the roulettes with a full FC party but that's not a sure fire thing either. I've run an expert with a 4 person premade and had one person just drop the dungeon without a word on the final boss. In a premade you can't simply look for a new member and we tried but couldn't three man the boss, so we had to abandon. Needless to say, I have never run anything with that guy ever again.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

To me, the biggest problem in this story is that the tank feels if he doesn't pull more than he's comfortable pulling he will get kicked out of the group.

I mean seriously, is that what it's come to?

At the same time there's another thread on the forum asking why people hate tanking.

Gee. I have this odd feeling there's a connection between these two things, but I just can't put my finger on what it is ...

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Correct.. I've been kicked quite a few times for not pulling big enough mobs back when I used to tank.. part of the reason I don;t do it anymore

Wish I could see a screenshot of the banter. Because I feel like I'm not getting the whole story. I've been attacked as a "toxic" person for pointin out a dPS in the group was ignoring mechanics and just relentlessly attacking the boss.

For pointing that out I get "toxic behavior like this blah blah, if you noticed what the NIN was doing the whole time that means you weren't doing enough." I have to defend this claim against me. I say "I didn't make any mechanical mistakes and I assure you my DPS is beyond satisfactory."

I'm the one getting called toxic. Am I suppose to just sit there and let the nin ignore mechanics everytime? And fail over and over?

Not saying you are wrong OP. I just don't want to condemn random Unknown BLM, without context.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

To me, the biggest problem in this story is that the tank feels if he doesn't pull more than he's comfortable pulling he will get kicked out of the group.

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

Correct.. I've been kicked quite a few times for not pulling big enough mobs back when I used to tank.. part of the reason I don;t do it anymore

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I'm confused, why would it be the tank that's uncomfortable with big pulls? If the group asks you to pull more and then they can't kill them/keep you alive, that's not on you, assuming you're in tank stance and using cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by Rhyku

One thing I've come to expect on the Internet, is to never expect people to be nice and/or respectful.
Above all, some of these disrespectful players think they can throw their e-peens / crowns (I'm looking at you mentors!) around like it has tonnage.

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Personally, I've found the opposite. I find people are much more likely to be disrespectful if you go in expecting them to be. That is, once you expect them to be that way, you'll treat them that way (consciously or subconsciously) and then they'll be more likely to be rude back. I go in to each roulette expecting that people will be decent, and that the person on the other end of the monitor is not much different than I am - just some person playing a game and wanting to have a good time. I very rarely run into rude players.

I think respect has to go both ways. I find players who call me elitist or asshole player as most people would call it, because I simply can't put up with people whos not willing to listen when I'm simply putting my OWN TIME, into helping. Then I simply get replies saying I need to get a life, it's just a game, it's my subscription and I can do whatever I want. Well that's fine, but if you going to waste some one elses subscription, you better on your own or simply hang out with people with mindset, and we all know how well that goes.

One of the reasons I play a lot less for sure, as well as only with friends, when possible. I think it's in part game design - it's really all geared towards rushing, so no one has patience.

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Originally Posted by AeraLure

One of the reasons I play a lot less for sure, as well as only with friends, when possible. I think it's in part game design - it's really all geared towards rushing, so no one has patience.

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Rushing is a good thing since it allows more things to be done/experienced. Time is something physically(relativity equations) proven impossible to "buy" back. That's sad, I know.

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Originally Posted by Seraphix2407

I think respect has to go both ways. I find players who call me elitist or asshole player as most people would call it, because I simply can't put up with people whos not willing to listen when I'm simply putting my OWN TIME, into helping. Then I simply get replies saying I need to get a life, it's just a game, it's my subscription and I can do whatever I want. Well that's fine, but if you going to waste some one elses subscription, you better on your own or simply hang out with people with mindset, and we all know how well that goes.

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Agree.

There is a kick function, maybe you should have used it :|

There are always bad apples in the community, always has been, it feels like theres more because they are a loud minority. Just ignore and move on or kick, file a report etc etc.

To me respect is something that is earned, not given freely to every hooligan that I run into in DF. Which you would have lost from me when you took the passive aggressive way out and just stopped dpsing instead of sucking it up and playing what you signed up for, simply because someone was saying stuff you didn't like you hindered the entire group. The word you're looking for is politeness. With all the daily homework SE gives level 60 players is it any surprise that people get annoyed when people go slow in instances, when they just want to get everything done as well as maybe level a new job to play.

Well as I see it if you're using DF exclusively, expect to have bad apples /random people= mix results/. If you use party finder you can weed out and find like minded people who you can get along with do content with, if not thats what the blacklist option is really used for not exclusively rmt's. Also I think linkshell/free companys are way under used they should be the first option you go for and advertised every so often to find people to do stuff with on your server. The duty finder should be the your very last option and only when necessary well that my two cents /shrug