What does exploration mean to you?

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

They don't make MMOs like that these days unfortunately.

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Nothing will ever be quite like your first MMO. Unfortunately, that whole 'unknown world' is made known by numerous web sites.

There are a heck of a lot of new players in this game making their own first memories. Try to be pleasant about it.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Don't see the difference? The genuine excitement of discovery is taken away when we know what to expect. The side bar of things to find becomes a task without actually being one since we know its there for optional purposes. It may be exciting to find them, but we knew what to expect from the start.

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I don't think the first would happen in either case is the thing. First off, I think we'd split up to find aether currents either way so that we can start flying around; having to walk everywhere would be troublesome, to-do list or no. You'd still stop to fight big monsters whether they were on the list or not since you know there's a good chance of getting nice stuff from them; end result is you still look around for the special stuff just the same.

In reality, without the list I see the situation going like this:
1) find aether currents, so you can start flying around
2) With flight in hand, ignore all small fry monsters and search for the big baddies
and maybe...
3)gather if you feel like it or have just given up on everything else/just burning time

That to-do list popping up on the screen was known to us before it even became a list. I think you're just really over selling it...

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

First, this whole thread is an asinine argument over semantics. If they had called it anything else, you wouldn't have an issue. Your argument is over the name of the feature, not the feature itself.

Second, the objective list is there purely so they can add ESO as an incentive without having to add it to mob kills which could easily be exploited and used to bypass the new expert dungeons. They want players to experience a little bit of everything. Its a great, well thought out compromise.

But how dare they ruin your immersion...

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Hmm...So your saying they made this mode so we can grind for esoterics in another way by having us do the exact same things we been doing before this patch was announced? Huh, good point, it is well thought out, nothing new at all. -clap-

As for *asanine arguement over semantics*......-looks at dictionary- ....HOW DARE YOU! Lol jk, I'll give you that. Actually thats true. If you can tell, I don't like being fed the dessert right away, I want the fooood -delicious food analogies here- Or even a highclass dessert as one would say. Why go half way when you cut the greatest part out?

For immersion, well that's on you. If you don' want immersion in your MMO RPG than kudos to you, cue the song and dance. XD
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Originally Posted by Mutemutt

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Yeah the scenarios were little unlikely, just hoping my point crossed minds, and if they did there'd probably still be little reasons to cause a fuss.
Not sure who wouldn't be excited to what they can discover in these new places without the options thing though, but that's just me. :/

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

SWG: After Tutorial, Before Game Changes
Your thrown into a big open world with no objectives, no goals, a blaster and a Maroj Melon.

That was amazing, the feeling of being immersed into an unknown world. You had to make your own path and your own way and carve your name into it.

They don't make MMOs like that these days unfortunately.

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I jumped onto Galaxies after NGE so I never got to experience that game you speak of. But then I joined for the space flight and not really the MMO.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Hmm...So your saying they made this mode so we can grind for esoterics in another way by having us do the exact same things we been doing before this patch was announced? Huh, good point, it is well thought out, nothing new at all. -clap-

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I'm not entirely sure if you honestly misread my post or are being intentionally obtuse.

My point was that the OBJECTIVE LIST, the whole purpose of your thread, was implemented as a way to add the incentive of esoterics to the new feature, not that the entire concept of airship exploration was added to supplement eso.

It sounds like you really just don't want to be playing an MMO. Don't worry though; fallout 4 comes out tuesday and you can get all of your immersion there without any of the distasteful side effects of having other people in your immersive single player experience.

Unless these areas are randomly generated, there will be no exploration past the first week. People will figure out the best route to take through the area to get the maximum rewards. These will become as formulaic as most other content in the game.

That's not to say that the content can't still be fun. I have high hopes for it. Just trying to keep expectations in check.

Depends. There are alot of people who dont use gathering or crafting classes. So if your group is good you will have gatherers to complete the checklist. Pretty sure people will find the most efficient way to use the 90 minutes.

Suggestion. If it bothers you that much, type the following simple text command into your chat, and retype it when you leave the exploration area......

/hud dlist

Problem solved. You can't see the objectives, so for all intents and purposes they don't exist to guide you. Explore, kill things, whatever. You might get a bonus if you complete some of these "hidden objectives", but you won't know what they are unless you deliberately try to look to them for guidance. Fully, unguided exploration, as you desire.....

Easy solution, turn off your quest display side bar. Problem solved .

I hope that - in the future - we get something similar to FFIX's 'Chocobo Hot and Cold' minigame. That was a lot of fun and I feel like making that game into something bigger would work out well for FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

I'm not entirely sure if you honestly misread my post or are being intentionally obtuse.

My point was that the OBJECTIVE LIST, the whole purpose of your thread, was implemented as a way to add the incentive of esoterics to the new feature, not that the entire concept of airship exploration was added to supplement eso.

It sounds like you really just don't want to be playing an MMO. Don't worry though; fallout 4 comes out tuesday and you can get all of your immersion there without any of the distasteful side effects of having other people in your immersive single player experience.

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So you tell me this, why would we need an incentive to get esoterics? Is ilvl 200 gear not enough already? If the demand for more players grinding for esoterics is that important then what has everyone been doing for the past 6 months? I'll answer that for you, grinding for esoterics. I don't see your point dude, in fact it seems like a poor excuse to make opposition. I recommend reading my points again as you don't see where I'm focusing my interests here, and if you do, well I dunno what I can do for you. Stage right, new domain. :/

Have fun with Fallout 4 though, I'm not a survival game kind of guy.

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

Suggestion. If it bothers you that much, type the following simple text command into your chat, and retype it when you leave the exploration area......

/hud dlist

Problem solved. You can't see the objectives, so for all intents and purposes they don't exist to guide you. Explore, kill things, whatever. You might get a bonus if you complete some of these "hidden objectives", but you won't know what they are unless you deliberately try to look to them for guidance. Fully, unguided exploration, as you desire.....

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Still won't stop others from looking at theirs (as they have the right to keep) and including the fact that I can't solo these It'd feel like I'm doing less work for my team by running around aimlessly (in their eyes).

Tbh, I actually would take your advice if I was absolutely sure that there was hidden content, because that would mean there's something I can find on my own along with list I pushed to the side, its fun to find hidden new things. I may have to look at the stream again to see if they mentioned hidden secret mobs, because that would be pretty rewarding. Hell, I'd be even ok with the list IF there was something hidden I could find. Otherwise its just a scavenger/monster hunt

Those so-called "to do lists" are just a bunch of "kill trash, collect stuff if you want extra fluff". Serious groups would rampage through it in 10 mins if they even want to and then proceed to explore and hunt marks for chests. However it'll be fine for DF groups because that gives at least a chance for some stuff if your group is sub-par and can't compete in the hunting fields (like, wiping on mobs) (you know it will happen)

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Like how in the world do we know that there's 8 bronze chests just sitting out there?

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I think you have to kill enemies to make the chests pop up. And I hope i have not spoiled too much with this

Caution, big spoiler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhG1...outu.be&t=2953

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think you have to kill enemies to make the chests pop up. And I hope i have not spoiled too much with this

Caution, big spoiler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhG1...outu.be&t=2953

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Nah its not that important to be considered a spoiler, but if all the chests were like this we'd just be hunting monsters for em. Thanks for sharing, didn't know about that :)

yeah the chests will just be dropped after we kill mobs, and their grade will be dependent of the monster "rank".

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Still won't stop others from looking at theirs (as they have the right to keep) and including the fact that I can't solo these It'd feel like I'm doing less work for my team by running around aimlessly (in their eyes).

Tbh, I actually would take your advice if I was absolutely sure that there was hidden content, because that would mean there's something I can find on my own along with list I pushed to the side, its fun to find hidden new things. I may have to look at the stream again to see if they mentioned hidden secret mobs, because that would be pretty rewarding. Hell, I'd be even ok with the list IF there was something hidden I could find. Otherwise its just a scavenger/monster hunt

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There is almost certainly far more content than what is displayed on the list. Those are just the "bonuses" you can complete to get extra rewards. There will be plenty of high level mobs running around, gathering spot, and secrets beyond those few items listed there...

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

There is almost certainly far more content than what is displayed on the list. Those are just the "bonuses" you can complete to get extra rewards. There will be plenty of high level mobs running around, gathering spot, and secrets beyond those few items listed there...

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I hope so. Even with my current gripes about the upcoming patch I'm still hyped for it. Mainly because I've been waiting for 6 months for this and I'm so friggen bored of the same thing that if a moogle flew up to my room window at my fc house my mind would f#$%in explode.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

I think a better idea would be instead of giving us a to-do list. Give us a blank list that randomly fills in as the party explores, having the map be somewhat randomly generated. Come across a lake "Why not fish", a mining area, walk into a zone with monsters who ambush? Pop it up in the list now. Having a preset kinda ruins it cus you know what to expect.

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This would be best, once an objective has been discovered it is unlocked on the list giving us a feeling we are actually exploring and not treading old ground. Let the tryhards make their lists and leave normal people to actually explore.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

This would be best, once an objective has been discovered it is unlocked on the list giving us a feeling we are actually exploring and not treading old ground. Let the tryhards make their lists and leave normal people to actually explore.

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Like the result list from Hamlet Defence, that didn't show the things you have to do, but you did right after the run?

People will write down the most important things that give the most points and share it in the Forum.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Like the result list from Hamlet Defence, that not showed the things you have to do, but you did right after the run?

People will write down the most important things that give the most points and share it in the Forum.

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The list would be randomly generated and would show as such.


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The first "Jewel fly" you kill would change you list to say

Kill 1/10 Jewel Flies
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So it would update live.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

The list would be randomly generated and would show as such.


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The first "Jewel fly" you kill would change you list to say

Kill 1/10 Jewel Flies
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So it would update live.

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now that would be cool!

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Originally Posted by Jynx

The list would be randomly generated and would show as such.


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The first "Jewel fly" you kill would change you list to say

Kill 1/10 Jewel Flies
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So it would update live.

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You sir, are a genius. :O

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It's literally an optional list of objectives so you can obtain some Esoterics as a bonus.

Searching for treasure or items uncovering what has not been uncovered.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

You sir, are a genius. :O

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Seriously it's a simple way to encourage exploration and discovery even in the hardcore groups. Sure there may wind up at the end of the day being a "Optimal" way to do things but this gives it a bit more of a air of exploration.

Day 1 after trying it:

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Week of grinding it later:

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• Gathers spoils for wind silks and makes 5mil
  
• nerf happens a month or so later
  
• Sees an explosion of people complaining about how Diadem is messed up now because of it.
  

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Welp, the optional objectives thing was completely irrelevant, as indeed it was optional..... but as I exected already the "Exploration" idea was completely shoved under the carpet and turned into a zergfest monster hunt farm anyway. I guess the list itself was a sign of imminent faceplant. Thnx for the previous responses and stuff. Thought this thread would come back to mind after all this happened. :/