Premades ruining the PvP experience

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Originally Posted by Soular

A pug has to play next to perfectly

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I have always been a solo quer when it comes to FL's and god how i love it when i get in a match where you get pre-made level of play even when its full PuG, when there are those few players i have seen since secure it feels like we are in mumbe or TS because we play perfectly together, i mean we kinda know what to do and who does what(other CC's while other caps tome etc..)and it feels so damn good.

I guess this is the reason why i still que alot, deep down i hope to get in match like this but if it ends to be seize slaughter you can pretty much vote-kick me out as those kind of matches are unfun for me.

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Originally Posted by Farrell

You realize most people play for wins and exp for vanity items, then quit, right?

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Between dealing with 3-way objective fights and my team becoming more and more like DF dungeons with each week, I'm retiring as soon as I get my ADS mount, barring queues here and there with friends. It's just not a mode that I end up getting frustrated by the objectives and the people I play with/against more than I would enjoy it.

*reads thread and twiddles thumbs as has been in pre-mades alot recently as an adder* I er.... think that premades are... er... okay? *hides*
(we only made the premade because we were consistently losing before then >.>)

I've never spawn camped though.

And I have never left a FL early. (except when I get d/c booted)

I don't mind premades but then again, I haven't seen one in a long time. You only get the odd remark from a teammate that X or Y are a premade and in the past that has almost always been based on absolutely nothing other than them having displayed a modicum amount of teamwork in the match before, so I never believe it.

I'm fine with pre-mades, I enjoy being part of them with a bunch of good players, and they can be fun to fight against when your teams aren't god awful. However, I hate when pre-mades on another GC just stir shit and lead the other 2 teams on their alliance to camp one other team so the 3rd can skip to first place. Of course when they do this it shows they are just salty bitches and don't actually care about winning *COUGHCOUGHMAELEXCALCOUGHCOUGH*

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Originally Posted by Zalestra

Of course when they do this it shows they are just salty bitches and don't actually care about winning *COUGHCOUGHMAELEXCALCOUGHCOUGH*

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That's funny cause the Levi flames premade is accused of acting this way lol. Everytime I'm in the lobby with that Maelstrom Excalibur premade I know already we gonna get hounded relentlessly by flames, if that premade is there is also in the same lobby, regardless of what place we are in for no other reason than having the Excalibur premade in the lobby.

premade do what it's obvious to do, focus the same enemy, and work together, by exemple what can happen is a healer/caster doing control and then casters chain LB.
so it's what a premade do, but it's what you have to do anyway, no matter if it's a premade or pugs group.
i don't complain about premade, at least them show what is possible to do in FL.
You don't need a premade and a vocal, juts pay attention of what other do, and you can play in synergy with that.
it's not unfair at all. in pvp play in synergy with your mates can bring wins.
i Remember a exemple in secure many times when i was doing Holy when the LB was up, a Blm cast sleep and then LB, just because he see i was spamming holy and stun everyone, so he was free to cast anything. (din't need a vocal for that).
Premade is not unbeatable, premade play with synergy, do the same.

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Originally Posted by Zalestra

I'm fine with pre-mades, I enjoy being part of them with a bunch of good players, and they can be fun to fight against when your teams aren't god awful. However, I hate when pre-mades on another GC just stir shit and lead the other 2 teams on their alliance to camp one other team so the 3rd can skip to first place. Of course when they do this it shows they are just salty bitches and don't actually care about winning *COUGHCOUGHMAELEXCALCOUGHCOUGH*

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Lol "COUGHCOUGH" you must be so cool doing that. You should watch your Leviathan and Ultros premades, dragging your healers everywhere and never communicating with the team. Every game I've been in with both Levi and Ultros they have went at us constantly.

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Originally Posted by kensatsu

Premade is not unbeatable

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Of course they arent unbeatable, I dont think anyone said they were. In fact on primal the adders have been accumulating lots of victories lately (even without possessing notable premades) just from the Flames premades undermining and focusing the Maelstrom premades and vice versa in retaliation lol. Meanwhile adders chilling with three nodes laughing their ass off to easy wins >.>

ok if nobody say that, with i don't agree with the op then, SE don't have to do something about premade, players need to learn to beat them :)

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

You should watch your Leviathan and Ultros premades, dragging your healers everywhere and never communicating with the team. Every game I've been in with both Levi and Ultros they have went at us constantly.

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As part of the Ultros premade, we usually try to go for the win. However, Miyuki, you upset my friend (you know who he is) and now he tries to find you and get people to kill you if he sees you.

Annnd one of our ninjas tunnels too much...

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Originally Posted by fallenalexiel

As part of the Ultros premade, we usually try to go for the win. However, Miyuki, you upset my friend (you know who he is) and now he tries to find you and get people to kill you if he sees you.

Annnd one of our ninjas tunnels too much...

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I honestly don't remember upsetting anyone. I assumed that he was upset at me cause I have 100%d him everytime I play MCH. If this is the case, I'm sorry, I actually never jump the gun at anyone unless they've done something to me. I watched through some videos I recorded and I've seen him in those games not chaining me. It's until I noticed him chaining me that I actually started to I guess upset him. It really sucks and I honestly don't know what I did. o_O I just played pvp the same way that I usually do. I can stop, just stop gunning for me out of 24 people lol.

Edit: I have nothing against him, it's just really absurd to me that out of 24 people he finds me and me only lol. He even started targeting all of my Excal friends.

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

I honestly don't remember upsetting anyone. Snip

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All I remember is that one day, he was commenting on this great mch that kept gunning for him. After that, he's made it his personal quest to find you lol. So much so that he sometimes gets himself in bad situations because of it. D:

Then complains when I don't save him! Hahaha.

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Originally Posted by fallenalexiel

All I remember is that one day, he was commenting on this great mch that kept gunning for him. After that, he's made it his personal quest to find you lol. So much so that he sometimes gets himself in bad situations because of it. D:

Then complains when I don't save him! Hahaha.

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I actually thought he was sarcastic about me being a good MCH... I seriously have nothing against him so I'm sorry if he feels that way. ; ^ ; It just really sucks when I get instant targeted and marked for sleep every time. Tell him that he's one of the best WHMs I've played against. He's extremely hard to kill and get in range to target.

Also I gun for every WHM and SMN I see, he shouldn't take it personally. They are just the easiest targets for me to kill, especially SMNs when they over extend after using Tri Disaster.

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Originally Posted by fallenalexiel

All I remember is that one day, he was commenting on this great mch that kept gunning for him. After that, he's made it his personal quest to find you lol. So much so that he sometimes gets himself in bad situations because of it. D:

Then complains when I don't save him! Hahaha.

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I don't think anyone is upset. As a healer, I tend to CC/focus people that constantly top the damage and kill count charts. And sure, because of this, I tunnel and get myself into some bad situations sometimes, but it makes Frontlines way more fun and interesting.

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

I honestly don't remember upsetting anyone. I assumed that he was upset at me cause I have 100%d him everytime I play MCH. If this is the case, I'm sorry, I actually never jump the gun at anyone unless they've done something to me. I watched through some videos I recorded and I've seen him in those games not chaining me. It's until I noticed him chaining me that I actually started to I guess upset him. It really sucks and I honestly don't know what I did. o_O I just played pvp the same way that I usually do. I can stop, just stop gunning for me out of 24 people lol.

Edit: I have nothing against him, it's just really absurd to me that out of 24 people he finds me and me only lol. He even started targeting all of my Excal friends.

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You guys do tend to just.. uhm, well, even last night, 2 ninjas were suicidal and came to LB me straight into our entire alliance. They got me, I laughed and said "-5 points, but we got +10". Good games!

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Originally Posted by Pocitania

I don't think anyone is upset. As a healer, I tend to CC/focus people that constantly top the damage and kill count charts. And sure, because of this, I tunnel and get myself into some bad situations sometimes, but it makes Frontlines way more fun and interesting.

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Sorry if I've made you have a bad impression on me. I legit notice in every game you target me out of every single SMN I queue with who pull more absurd numbers than me. It's why I always gun for you. >_>; I noticed it also started recently that you started to target me. o_O

I figured it was more of "this is fun" than an actual being an upset type of thing, hehe.

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

Sorry if I've made you have a bad impression on me.

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Nonsense! I dislike how some of your melee will just LB me every time, but you're all one of the best players at your classes on this data center.

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

I legit notice in every game you target me out of every single SMN I queue with who pull more absurd numbers than me. It's why I always gun for you. >_>; I noticed it also started recently that you started to target me. o_O

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I actually focus your SMNs more than you, seriously, just ask Storm :) and Rem is a very good healer, I just try and sleep/heavy/blizzard him whenever I can.

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Originally Posted by Pocitania

Nonsense! I dislike how some of your melee will just LB me every time, but you're all one of the best players at your classes on this data center.




I actually focus your SMNs more than you, seriously, just ask Storm :) and Rem is a very good healer, I just try and sleep/heavy/blizzard him whenever I can.

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The melees only LB you cause they kept bugging me to play MCH all night and we finally got a second healer and I got to play MCH for one game before I went to sleep (And the fact I say I'm slept every 3 seconds). Might just be me but I legit always see you gunning for me every chance you get. No matter what job I'm on. ; ^ ; I just wanna learn NIN and I can barely go in.

Hey QTs, fighting the mael premade was pretty fun, though your BLM is BM af while he didn't even earn the kill. You guys got some good SMNs and healers, though my standard for a SMN is higher than usual since I've seen much better.

I actually respected Miyuki as a player since your BLM was noticeably better than the rest - until you called me out for having a pocket healer and whatnot, yo pls, I don't, anela/poci just happened to be good at healing.

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Originally Posted by TsundereRemilia

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They are both great healers, yes. But they are also always in the same party with you every game I see you in so it makes it easier to heal you. You guys immediately assist them when they get jumped on. Can you say the same about your other healers? Immediately assisting them. And you can respect me or not Idc, but if you have no respect for Knives or any of my friends, I don't need it. Your standards for SMNs must be out of this world if you usually see much better cause in the games I play with you guys, all your SMNs are about the same as ours.

premades mean jack, How ever, i've had when 2 teams were premade Both Flames & Adders, They didn't touch each other and the focused us. Happened 3 times in a row. That is something that should never happen but lets face it, something they'll never be able to stop.

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Originally Posted by Blitzace

premades mean jack, How ever, i've had when 2 teams were premade Both Flames & Adders, They didn't touch each other and the focused us. Happened 3 times in a row. That is something that should never happen but lets face it, something they'll never be able to stop.

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This happens a lot. It happened a lot last night. We were third and we always got hit so we really couldn't do anything.

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

This happens a lot. It happened a lot last night. We were third and we always got hit so we really couldn't do anything.

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Exactly, haven't pvped much since relic tbh but it just ruined the experience, espescially since there are not enough people to make the matches random like dungeons in DF.
And if there is one thing i don't like its game likes that, you have zero chance to win basicly. No mather how good you and your team play.

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Originally Posted by Blitzace

Exactly, haven't pvped much since relic tbh but it just ruined the experience, espescially since there are not enough people to make the matches random like dungeons in DF.
And if there is one thing i don't like its game likes that, you have zero chance to win basicly. No mather how good you and your team play.

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It's because in a 3 way brawl 1 person/group is going to be singled out. It always happens, it's really lame that the pvp is this way but can't do much about it. One team can focus you all game to make sure you never win and it's really stupid, I 100% agree.

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Originally Posted by fallenalexiel

Annnd one of our ninjas tunnels too much...

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My miner is only lvl 23!

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

They are both great healers, yes. But they are also always in the same party with you every game I see you in so it makes it easier to heal you. You guys immediately assist them when they get jumped on. Can you say the same about your other healers? Immediately assisting them. And you can respect me or not Idc, but if you have no respect for Knives or any of my friends, I don't need it. Your standards for SMNs must be out of this world if you usually see much better cause in the games I play with you guys, all your SMNs are about the same as ours.

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Knives? He deserves none, not from me. Not when he pops fetter ward and ran when we had a chance to 1 v 1. Also, note, HAD. Out of this world? nah, high? yes. SMNs currently on Flames that meets my expectations? I'll get back to you on that, but a lot of our good SMNs that I played with are afking so there's that.

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Originally Posted by TsundereRemilia

Knives? He deserves none, not from me. Not when he pops fetter ward and ran when we had a chance to 1 v 1. Also, note, HAD. Out of this world? nah, high? yes. SMNs currently on Flames that meets my expectations? I'll get back to you on that, but a lot of our good SMNs that I played with are afking so there's that.

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This is the issue with you flames premades. All you care about it 1v1, kills kills kills, you never play for the win. You just want to fight all the time. Idk what the situation was cause I wasn't there but if you're focused on the fact he won't 1v1 you in a team game... Idk what to tell you lol.

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Originally Posted by StormBreaker

I smell BS. So you say you focus on players based on their class within our group, yet I was BRD once against you and you came straight to us and focused on me. I think you find the players you want to attack, regardless of class and you attack/pester them. Its not because of threat level, its more of a 'I don't like this person'.

At least that what I see on this side. Tell me if Im wrong, but that what it looks like on this side.

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I'm really sorry if I left you that impression or if I focused you too much when you were BRD, you are however a constant threat, regardless if you're SMN or BRD. See you in there! :)

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

This is the issue with you flames premades. All you care about it 1v1, kills kills kills, you never play for the win. You just want to fight all the time. Idk what the situation was cause I wasn't there but if you're focused on the fact he won't 1v1 you in a team game... Idk what to tell you lol.

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IDK what to tell you when you guys were trying to chase us in a 8 v 8 v 8 and got slapped for it 4 v 6. Also, what's PVP? Player vs Player, if you wanna play the PvE part of the game then so be it, but that situation? it just happened to be, do I STRIVE for 1 v 1s? Lol no, stop accusing us of that.

EDIT: You guys were SAAAAAALTY

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Originally Posted by TsundereRemilia

IDK what to tell you when you guys were trying to chase us in a 8 v 8 v 8 and got slapped for it 4 v 6. Also, what's PVP? Player vs Player, if you wanna play the PvE part of the game then so be it, but that situation? it just happened to be, do I STRIVE for 1 v 1s? Lol no, stop accusing us of that.

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Yea Player vs Player in a team environment where your actions affect 7 or 23 other people. We chase you all the time cause you guys always chase us in 24s or 72s regardless which. I also can't remember the last time we lost to you guys in a 24.

I'm not going to trash this guy's post because of this ridiculous arguing so I'm done posting against you after this. Say what you will and get whatever you want to say out of you. I can't seem to have an actual conversation with you. You should learn from your healers.

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

We chase you all the time cause you guys always chase us in 24s or 72s regardless which.

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We wouldn't HAVE to chase you if you all would just hold still and die. Always gotta make it so tedious.

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Originally Posted by TsundereRemilia

Knives? He deserves none, not from me. Not when he pops fetter ward and ran when we had a chance to 1 v 1.

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This is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't even remember the last time I was in the same lobby as you yet you know exactly when I am in there with you or not. You are obsessive. And 1 v 1 that is quite the joke you clown considering I'm the only one out of the 2 of us that runs primarily solo queue. I don't recall this situation at all but I only ever run from warriors so unless you were running war no I would not run unless I was already weakened and/or lost most of my cooldowns. I would assume the former happened given your vulture like tendency of staying back till its safe to come out and kill half dead opponents though. And if you're there that means your premade is lurking somewhere nearby so please dont give me this garbage about wanting to 1 v1 me like in that retarded screenshot you posted a while back of you killing me with a whm in the same damn screenshot. Unlike you I do not possess the luxury of having reliable healers for most of my matches and there are occasions where I do not posses any at all. I'm already difficult to heal as is (and have been told as much) because of how hyper aggressive I can be I try not to tax my PUG heals any more than I already do.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

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2nd rate pls, stop talking, hyper aggressive? LOL

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Originally Posted by TsundereRemilia

2nd rate pls, stop talking, hyper aggressive? LOL

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You tell me to stop talking when you are the one trying to bait arguments by interjecting yourself into my posts or otherwise interjecting my name in your posts lol. And yeah better to overanalyze in a discussion than simply retorting with the oh so witty and delightfully insightful comment "2nd rate" repeatedly as if you are actually contributing anything to said discussion. Trust me had you not provoked a response in the first place ur name would never have crossed my mind today much less have been uttered within the context of anything I would have said.

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

This is the issue with you flames premades. All you care about it 1v1, kills kills kills, you never play for the win.

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Oh, the pot calling the kettle black.

There's a difference I've noticed between the Maelstrom and the Adders: the Adders chase whichever team is closest to them/fuck them over last because I genuinely believe that they don't know any better and are confused on how to play most of the time.

The Maelstrom, and specifically the Excalibur premade, gets fucking salty. The Adders do it out of stupidity, you guys just get really bitter. Playing to win is fine, but I've noticed that whenever the Maelstrom is losing you guys get to be more petulant than any other team and just deathtrain the closest thing next to you that moves. Let's not pretend that chasing is a one-sided street, here.

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Originally Posted by TheWaywardWind

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We lose in the first place because either Flames or Adders hit us down to 3rd place, nodes spawn, and then they still continue to hit us. What you want us to leave you alone after you continuously hit us in 3rd place to farm us to get more points? That's not how this works.

As a Flame, I'm ok with y'all coming to us after we farm you. Because sometimes I feel too lazy to bother farming you, but then y'all bring free points to us because Mael is the nicest team.

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

We lose in the first place because either Flames or Adders hit us down to 3rd place, nodes spawn, and then they still continue to hit us. What you want us to leave you alone after you continuously hit us in 3rd place to farm us to get more points? That's not how this works.

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You misunderstood my post.

I don't care if you come after us while you're in third. I care when you do it out spite with no intention of doing anything other than being salty about it. Coming after the first place team for the sake of objectives is one thing. Coming after the second/first place team with the intention of harassing them and ignoring objectives for the rest of the game is another.

Mael drifts from being the team that will stay back and avoid unnecessary fights most of the time to being the saltiest team alive that seeks only to chase people around for half the game out of frustration to kill them.