So is it ever gonna pop or am I just wasting my time?

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Originally Posted by Felis

What if you get a french player, who can understand and write english, but decide to write in german?

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Then I start using Swedish and watch people get confused.

Most Germans speak English. I'm sure they can write it too. To an extent anyway.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I find it very rude when people speak a language in chat that everyone doesnt understand.

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Wait a sec...

You told us about doing a run with 3 other french people speaking together. But in your own terms, they shouldn't be allowed to speak their language with each other, just because you are here, and even if they are not talking to you directly? What if they aren't fluent in english to the point of having a conversation, but can understand it a bit and do some basic sentences? Should they be forced to have a weird discussion in bad english where they barely understand each other, just because you would not understand what they are saying? And you, on the other hand, don't even want to make the effort of learning other languages yourself?

Double standards much?

By the way, on your own terms, you were the minority in your example. You should've been kicked by your own rules, because you were the one not speaking with the others in the same language.

I think it's too late to warn you, but you sound awfuly selfish and entitled.

Oh, and, the "language buttons" are not mandatory. They are here to indicate a preference, not an exclusive wish. The system will try to match you with what you checked, but will still prioritize 1)newcomers and 2)fast tag.
Deal with it, because that's not gonna change.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

Unfortunately for you, it'll never be this way. You see, those who are of DPS main tend to use all means to get into content if they are running solo.

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And like I said, that's one of the reasons I rarely -- if ever -- DF things on my own.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

You told us about doing a run with 3 other french people speaking together. But in your own terms, they shouldn't be allowed to speak their language with each other, just because you are here, and even if they are not talking to you directly? What if they aren't fluent in english to the point of having a conversation, but can understand it a bit and do some basic sentences? Should they be forced to have a weird discussion in bad english where they barely understand each other, just because you would not understand what they are saying? And you, on the other hand, don't even want to make the effort of learning other languages yourself?

Double standards much?

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....If Kiara1 had indeed ticked the "French" option upon queueing, then yes, it would be a matter of double standards. As s/he had not, however, it's not. But if said people had ticked the "English" option with no intention of speaking English, even a tiny bit, then that's IMO rude of them. It's not rude of Kiara1 to not speak a language s/he has never indicated s/he can speak.

And no, afaik the language options say "you will be matched with players", not "you may be matched with players" (not logged in atm, so I can't check what it actually says). The in-progress is a possible, yes. But afaik, if you tick English (and no others), you will not be matched with people who have only ticked German or French or Japanese (or any combination of those three). You will only be matched with others who have ticked English -- no matter if those people have ticked other languages as well or not. And that's the problem, really. Because people will tick languages they don't speak, just to get faster queues, and screw people who actually want to communicate beyond "hello" and "gg". =/

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Oh, and, the "language buttons" are not mandatory. They are here to indicate a preference, not an exclusive wish. The system will try to match you with what you checked, but will still prioritize 1)newcomers and 2)fast tag.
Deal with it, because that's not gonna change.

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I believe OP's post begs to differ.
if it would prioritise newcomers he wouldn't have waited 240 minutes
And yes because if I ONLY tick ENGLISH I assume my run is gonna be with people speaking english.
This is an mmo and communication is a big part of mmos. Maybe im old school but since I started playing wow when it was released I've always had chatty people in dungeons. You did dungeons for gear and for the fun conversations.
Now the people in this mmo is completely different and im adapting to that but if people just tick english if they can't even speak it, then whats even the point of having that option?

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I believe OP's post begs to differ.
if it would prioritise newcomers he wouldn't have waited 240 minutes
And yes because if I ONLY tick ENGLISH I assume my run is gonna be with people speaking english.

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correction. if you only tick english, you get grouped to others who also ticked english, regardless if they ticked also other languages or if they understand english.

If you tick english you will be playing with silent bots who don't know most of the dungeons/mechanics, stay with jp and wait the extra time.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

If you tick english you will be playing with silent bots who don't know most of the dungeons/mechanics, stay with jp and wait the extra time.

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Interesting, I'd rather take mostly silent than stuff I don't understand.

In America, its rude in quite a few areas to speak other languages in a group of people without someone translating for the nonspeaker. I've seen groups refuse to speak English on principle just to piss off anglophones (French Canadians mostly as well as Brazilians in WoW), and refusing to even use auto translate is the same.

I once had a group discussing how they were going to boot the healer at last boss to bring a buddy in... In Spanish. I replied immediately, in Spanish, that I'd save them the trouble by leaving right at the start then, after they'd started pulling.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Its not about being "xenophobic"

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Yes, it is.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I really dont believe that I have to set up a pf to fing english-speaking people to run dungeons with - havent we all agreed on english being some sort of a world-language that everyone should be able to communicate in (at least a little bit)?

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No. By that token, you should know Mandarin or Spanish too as there are more native speakers globally than English. Do you? Or French for that matter as it is the official language of international diplomacy.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Each time a french person says "salut" as greeting I could cry (I'm exaggerating ofc) - does it hurts so bad to say "hi" instead?

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Does it hurt so bad that people say "salut"? I mean, you clearly know what it means. What's the problem?

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I was running SV normal with a friend once - we got paired up with two french people - I, as tank, checked the french healers gear and decided to take it slowly because of that. After the first two groups they started to make fun of that in party chat - and in french ofc. To bad for them that my friend actually does speak french and translated for me - so I started to pull as much as I could - and magically the healer did speak english! I've made that experience quite a few times - french people refuse to speak english unless they really, really have to - so please, dont call me xenophobic because of a behavior of other that should be considered rude and unpolite...

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So basically you just dont like French people. "French people refuse to speak English" sounds awfully like a generalisation to me, and you only provide one anecdote as evidence. I once had a German tank walk off the platform in Titan EX, can I claim that all German players are terrible? Was he trying to summon Hitler's ghost? Is that a thing German people do? Yeah, it's not so "polite" when people make blanket statements about you, is it?

The world is a big place, full of many different people who speak many different languages. Yes, it is difficult if there is a new player and you cant communicate with them effectively. But it is also difficult to have a new player even when they do speak English. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that poor players who can't follow instructions are exclusively non-English speaking. There are some shockingly rude and inept English people out there, and conversely some briliant French/German/JP etc. players.

Communication is one thing - if you just don't like seeing languages other than English in party chat, even though everyone is doing their job well, then I find that despicable. I don't know where that comes from, but I suspect people need to just get over themselves. Heaven forbid you be exposed to diversity in the faceroll cakewalk that is a DF dungeon.

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Originally Posted by FaizeD

So basically you just dont like French people. "French people refuse to speak English" sounds awfully like a generalisation to me, and you only provide one anecdote as evidence.

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Well, tbh, I've heard plenty of stories regarding some French people's selective inability to speak English...

I think the most memorable for me was a substitute teacher/teacher-in-training back in high school telling us about a trip to France (with her own uni class), and how it was impossible to buy over-the-counter stuff in the shops, because the shopkeepers refused to understand. They actually had to start every transaction with "Hi, I'm from [country redacted], could I buy..." and all of a sudden, the shopkeepers had no problems speaking English -- because it wasn't a Brit trying to communicate with them. Sure, it might have been a local issue, or even just that particular shop, but it doesn't sound too good.

Another friend went to visit her bf who got a programming job in Quebec. She got in there with some studded stuff (due to being goth/alternative -- but nothing with studs longer than about 1/3 inch), but when leaving, she was pulled aside and handed some kind of form -- in French -- and told, "Sign this!" by a very stern security guard. When she tried to explain that she didn't know French, and asked what it was that she was supposed to sign her agreement to, asking if there was someone who could explain it to her, the only response she got was "Sign this." After a lot of frustration on her part, a young intern hurriedly explained that it was a release form giving them permission to dispose of the 'prohibited items' (i.e. the things with studs on them). And while she wasn't exactly happy about the situation (since it hadn't been an issue coming in), she at least knew she wasn't signing away her soul or something. IIRC, the intern sneaked her the translation/explanation while the head security guard wasn't looking, because he wasn't really allowed to 'interfere'. And yes, this was in the French-speaking area of Canada, but one would think that even there they'd be obliged to provide official documents in a language the 'accused' can understand, or provide an interpreter.

Both are just anecdotal incidents, and due to how things spread you hear a lot more 'failure' stories than 'success' stories. You don't come home after a trip where you met ten strangers, bursting to tell your friends at home about those nine people who had no problems communicating with you in a language you had in common. You come home to complain about that one person who didn't want to cooperate. =/

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Originally Posted by FaizeD

Communication is one thing - if you just don't like seeing languages other than English in party chat, even though everyone is doing their job well, then I find that despicable. I don't know where that comes from, but I suspect people need to just get over themselves. Heaven forbid you be exposed to diversity in the faceroll cakewalk that is a DF dungeon.

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As long as things go right and people are doing their job well, there's little hindrance in language barriers -- other than from a social aspect. It's when things don't go right and you need to discuss tactics or communicate what the problem is that the language barrier becomes an issue. Yes, auto-translate, but it doesn't work all that well, and finding the right phrases for a specific issue can take a lot longer than just tabbing out, going to google translate and typing things in and getting a crappy translation.

Bad players exist in every 'language option', but it becomes a bigger problem when you can't even begin to help them get better.

(As a sidenote, the language options you can tick in PF listings are even more useless. They're not visible in the PF list at all; people actually have to click your listing open in order to see them. So unless you add "English party" (or "French party" or "German party" or whatever else you might fancy, due to communicating strategy), you're going to get those people who just join the party from the PF list. Again, if they know the fight well and don't need to hear the strategy you're intending to use, that's fine, but RNG doesn't really favour that outcome in my experience, not when it comes to more difficult stuff like Ex Primals or raiding.)