Lv50 MSQ needs to be condensed...

Honestly if they would just cut the parts where Minfillia calls you to the Waking Sands just to send you out, I would be quite happy.

I mean it's like if you called someone up and told them to come over, only when they were over you only wanted to talk about what you wanted to do tomorrow. Why didn't you just talk about it when you called them?

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Originally Posted by Kayote

Thats still a looot of walking, porting and clicking. I skipped the entirety 2.1 cutscenes (2nd toon) and it took a while to do so. It was mind-numbing and boring. Other players are saying the same.
As for being the fastest way. How so? MSQ quests give plenty of EXP and they are the fastest way of leveling, sure. However AFAIK the HW MSQ and dungeons give more XP than those of ARR. How exactly is it faster to do them all versus getting an earlier jump on leveling in HW? Not to mention the new dungeons, flight and new classes? All of which have to be put on hold because of all the unnecessary old content.

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You will do a lot of walking and porting and clicking no matter what way of leveling you choose. And IMO running the same dungeon over and over again, or running from FATE to FATE for hours is way more mindnubbing than a few teleports here and there.

I was talking about 1-50 TBH. But, while not giving as much as HW quests, the lvl 50 quests are also useful for leveling since they will help you avoid any sort of level gates past 50.
I got level gated at least 3 times during 50-60, on lvl 54, 56 and 59. People who do lvl 50 quests after HW hit won't get gated even once, and won't even need to do all quests = they can use them to level other jobs.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Most of the "filler" is either setting up the next fight or next big issue, or an issue that shows up a couple patches later, or even stuff that makes its way into the expansion.

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I like Tataru as much as any one else but the majority if not all of her quests could have been made side quests.
So no not all of the fetch quest have an impact on the main story or sets anything up. They are just there to give max level players something to do at the time of their release.

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Originally Posted by Tuathaa

Einstien said "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Moogles weren't around back then

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http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2013/10/einstein.html

Sadly, I think you believe you're smart for trying to say Einstein said that.

I'm up to 2.5 (keeper of the lake), and yeah, the msq are tedious. However, everyone else did them. I think we just gotta suck it up.

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Originally Posted by Billeffingmurray

I'm up to 2.5 (keeper of the lake), and yeah, the msq are tedious. However, everyone else did them. I think we just gotta suck it up.

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You're in the home stretch, go, go, go......

Would be nice if they condense since I'm currently leveling an alt; otherwise I don't see them doing it. It's too much work for something that players can more or less breeze through via skipping cutscenes/dialogues.

Still, i quite happy that the MSQ in 3.0 was not not filled with too much fillers and was alot more cohesive than 2.0 ... here's hoping that 3.XX quests follow the same route.

Honestly, I really should not have to go to x npc to them go to Y npc across the map to kill #mobs to then go back to x npc and then do a whole string of menial quests to advance the MSQ

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Originally Posted by Wisekuma

http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2013/10/einstein.html

Sadly, I think you believe you're smart for trying to say Einstein said that.

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Einstein still said even if he was not first. Also .com's are not that reliable of a source, the sourcing seems good thou. Regardless it states that no one knows so saying Einstein said it is good enough at this point, like most history it is highly opinionated to one side (ie history is in the eye of the beholder, or the victor writes the history). So in the end all does it matter?

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Originally Posted by Wisekuma

http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2013/10/einstein.html

Sadly, I think you believe you're smart for trying to say Einstein said that.

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Why when in fact he said it as well as Benjamin Franklin who might very well have been the first, a bunch of others have said it also. It actually is quite a common quote but most commonly attributed to Einstein.

I don't understand why so many people make it out to be such a big deal that the MSQ must be completed in order to access Ishgard/HW content. It really doesn't take that much time and effort to complete the MSQ as most quests are very, very, short and easy and if you dedicate yourself to focusing on completing the MSQ it can easily be completed in a week or less. I feel that having to complete the MSQ is a good thing. It prevents people who are also supposed to be the "Warrior of Light", from not performing the duties of the Warrior of Light that are required to be completed before the WoL gets to go to Ishgard. Yes there are a lot of fetch quests, but in order for a company like SE to keep subscribers they need to keep us busy with things to do, regardless of how trivial. These fetch quests are largely tasks for the WoL to complete for the citizens of Eorzea thus building a good, strong, reputation so that the people of Eorzea know who the WoL is and respect the WoL for his/her contributions.

I understand the desire to have the MSQ condensed, but it really wouldn't make sense to take out all of the fetch quests, even though most add little to nothing of importance to the story. It's not so much about what they add to the story and more about establishing a reputation with the citizens of Eorzea so that they respect the WoL and remember the WoL for all of the good that he/she has done for Eorzea.

Also, this is an RPG. You signed up to play an RPG. It just happens to be an MMO...RPG. This to me indicates that you like RPGs. Since when have RPGs not had a bunch of trivial mundane BS that you have to do in order to get to the meat of the story, and all of the important battles necessary for storyline progression? With the MSQ being a great source of XP and Gil, I think it's a benefit to a new player to have to do all the MSQ'ing, as it helps them get geared, leveled, and puts gil in their pockets via selling quest rewards like level 4 Materia. Also, it helps them get familiar with how to play their job as well as familiarizing them with traveling around all the zones.

I dunno, maybe I'm weird, but due to the fact that it only takes a small amount of effort to complete the MSQ and because of all the benefits of doing so, I think that it should be left as is for new players. I would be all for an option for MSQ progression to carry over to an Alt on the same server and account, however. That would be a very awesome and handy feature. Would encourage more people to play multiple characters, if they would like to do so for whatever reason.

With all of this said, I do wish that SE would add more incentive for people who are far beyond needing old content to have a reason to return to old content to help new and veteran players get the content done. Seems much harder now to get groups for Tower runs and some of the older dungeons, and people trying to make their way through the MSQ are going to need to be able to get groups for the older content in order for them to progress with their MSQ'ing.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

But doing that you WILL remove stuff unless suddenly every conversation is 3 times as long since you need to put all the info in there.
I would only agree with this if you already done it on a previous character.

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If you read the full post I made about 2 replies above that one you'd have seen I simply said a condensation that compresses quests to only remove walking/tp/loadscreen time but keeps all text (possible use of linkpearls for it, we know they exist), so no harm would come from the story end. Only issue would be exp/items but that could just be combined into the end of the new condensed quest.

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Originally Posted by Raikou777

This is pretty much exactly what I'm asking for. I'm talking about condensing these types of quests that are obvious filler to kill time and feign content. There are too many quests that involve traveling across the world for one very simple task and then immediately returning.

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Right? I did the math with my GF's (she's played for over a year) old laptop. I counted about 7 loadscreens that could have been cut down to about 4/5 depending on how they want to do it. On her laptop each load screen is about 30 seconds to a minute depending on what it's loading. That's over 2 minutes of wasted time that could be removed, and that was just from 3 or 4 quests.

Like, I wanna level other classes too. But I know I'll just get stuck at lv50 again and I lose interest. :(

Yes! It needs to be condensed horribly! I came back to this game simply for the new healing class. My friends also want to play the new classes. Not only do you have to make it all the way to 50 (They're new) with a class you really don't want. You have to log 10+ hours of MSQ that we don't care about. Omg, story yes, we get it but guess what. We don't know what's going on. Why? Because we simply don't care, we tried but the story has more Filler than Naruto and stuff that makes zero sense. Someone calls us on a linkperl to tell us to come here? In Wildstar they called us to give us a quest and called us when we were done with it. Plus we have to do all these dungeons and primals which wouldn't be so bad if half the population wasn't potatoes.

Needless to say I lost 2 friends already trying to get to HW and I'm trying to keep the rest playing.

"Oh we had to do the MSQs"
In small amounts and I had to grind for i90 and Coil/CT had a weekly loot lockout. Should we keep it the same because I had to do it at one point? You condense change things as mmos get older.

Honestly I like it and here's why:
1. For those of us that want to see all the story, it's straightforward and in the correct order.

FFXIV actually makes doing the story in order the primary way to advance your character so I don't have to do irrelevant content just to figure out what is going on.

In WoW they even put story content outside of the game, in books and patch trailers. Want to know about X boss? Well go watch the video they released when the content was first put in the game. It seems like people only care about loot in WoW... no wonder since its the only real reason to do anything cause nobody even knows what the plot is anymore(some of the writing doesn't help either).

I like that we actually follow the story along like a normal RPG and progress our characters side by side with the plot.

2. It takes the focus of the game away from being a mad rush to max level.

I think WoW suffers from being a rush to max level. It seems like every time they release a new expansion it's just GOGOGOGO to the level cap and start gearing. I prefer the atmosphere and focus of this game being more on the journey than the destination compared to how WoW felt.

There's probably things they can do to condense it, but I hope they keep it linear. I think it can keep the game relevant for a long time too. Even when the game dies, people can play it like a single player RPG.