/rest <Can I have it?> <Do you need it?>

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

May want to clarify on this before more false info is spread about XIV's older successful brother -

ToAU was the era of TP-burns, for two reasons:

1. Mobs resisted magic, heavily with the exception of Flans, which were melee resistant.

2. People figured it to be faster to get a BRD/WHM or COR/WHM (ugh) and 5 Melees and just destroy mobs.

It had absolutely zero to do with mana regeneration, it had to do with using nukers was inefficient in most of ToAU spots because it was Square's counter to manaburns post CoP.

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Not every mob burned on was magic resistant, and even those that were, like Colibri, were only about 10% so, and the lesser ones didn't bounce magic.

The main issue was MP restoration. No one had time for it. Any mage job that couldn't regenerate their MP constantly just weren't invited. That was the central issue against any mage who had to rest, when it came to XP, and it continued to be that way until Abyssea came along and let the MP flow freely.

(And just as an aside: Seriously, you're not a mod here. Don't model your signature in the same fashion the official ones do. Take pride in your site, sure, but don't act like you have clout. You're a nobody like the rest of us.)

Ame you are one to talk..... You shouldn't flaunt your Jack Layton quote you have there, when your bashing others ^.^, your nobody as well ^.^ just so you know. As I said before, you must have had terrible burn parties, or just parties in general.

Not really needed.

auto mp regain isn't need either. But you guys complain about low mp all the time, spells cost to much, well this would help..... Don't understand you people some times.....

Nope .

not needed, in fact the stand in place mp regen is already a throw back to a system better left forgotten. They are basically making mages more rest centered with this patch already. i really hope the game doesnt go back to stand still pull camp mechanics. And i would hope that most mages dont hope to one day sit or do nothing for 90 percents of fights

You will recover HP/MP in passive mode as long as you aren't actively creating hate on the mob. (and standing still)

the patch notes say incurring. INCURRING. ING
not
incur,incurs or incurred. it's ING

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Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when incurring enmity.

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thats the quote, now lets interchange the word Incurring with acquiring. They mean the same thing.

so does it say:
Players will not automatically recover HP and MP that acquire enmity. ?
or does it say:
Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when acquiring enmity. ?

because those two sentences have two completely different meanings.

Rest is completely unnecessary for this game. Not to mention its incredibly boring.

"OOM. Afk guys, gonna read a chapter in my book while you finish this fight while I /rest for MP."

Ridiculous. Its better if they just put in another MP conservation move, which isn't needed, because then you can continue playing instead of doing absolutely nothing. I've been able to manage my MP very well in every fight both as a healer and DPS.

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Originally Posted by Lyndis

"Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when incurring enmity."

WILL NOT recover HP and MP. It leaves room for no exceptions. This makes long fights difficult. Difficulty is not really a bad thing but this severely curbs people trying to kill things with fewer members which has always been a fun challenge. As a healer you'll always have enmity and mp goes down fast as a healer.

"Party Size
Each additional member in the party reduces the amount of experience points yielded. Although the reduction is greater than before, it will be offset by the bonuses granted by EXP chains and linking."

How are we going to take advantage of this if we can't regenerate mp?

"HP and MP will automatically recover only while the player is stationary, regardless of whether or not he/she is engaged in battle."

This does mean that if you don't actually participate in battle you can regenerate mp while your other party members fight. This may work in a chain party set up, but an emergency heal will terminate your regeneration. But since you are already being required to stay still why not add a /rest command of some sort. It doesn't have to have the time consuming animation it had in FFXI, maybe something short and small, a change in stance that you can instantly walk out of.

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This is just what I think will happen, you don't have to get all butt hurt about it Chieflol.
Also, rest doesn't have to be like FFXI, never even said it should be like it. Just the idea/concept kinda like what Lyndis said ^ above.

I would be against implementing this were they to consider it. I'd much rather be proactive about conserving my mp rather than doing a /rest//stand shuffle to refill it.

Besides, if they fix alchemy and cooking, that alone should probably be enough.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I would be against implementing this were they to consider it. I'd much rather be proactive about conserving my mp rather than doing a /rest//stand shuffle to refill it.

Besides, if they fix alchemy and cooking, that alone should probably be enough.

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Yeah it took me a bit to realize that when they do revamp alchemy they will probably make ethers not suck and add more tiers of them so they become a mainstay item for long fights.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Ame you are one to talk..... You shouldn't flaunt your Jack Layton quote you have there, when your bashing others ^.^, your nobody as well ^.^ just so you know. As I said before, you must have had terrible burn parties, or just parties in general.

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When I said "a nobody like the rest of us," I am included in that "us."

These forums are visited by all sorts of administrators, moderators, translators, reporters and contributors to a myriad of fan and gaming sites, but you really wouldn't know. It's possibly because they are concerned that mistakenly creating the perception of, say, arrogance, or other such connotations on their part may reflect negatively on the site they supposedly represent.

I think people should act with professional decorum, especially when they appear to be representing themselves as an official spokesperson for Curse.com on an official Square-Enix forum, and the executives at Curse Inc. might find this revelation troubling. Or maybe not. I don't know their business. I'm just suggesting that maybe this is a thought that hadn't occurred to some people.

But what do I know? I'm just a nobody.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Considering we can't gain mp-hp anymore if we have enmity in passive mode. I think now would be a great time to add a /rest. Kinda like in FFXI, wouldn't that be swell? I for one always wanted it, but that's just me.

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Never.
It's already a shame we will have to stand still to recover HP/MP, I really don't understand what motivated them to force us to stay still.

The point of the /rest function would be to gain mp while you have enmity. Other than that you'll just be standing there with no mp for the whole fight. Which will make things harder, and more exciting

Wow! Is there really that many ppl that does not realize that /sit increases the regen rate of HP/MP faster than just being in passive mode?!

Give it a try guys, you'll be amazed that it really makes a difference in your regen if you /sit. It's EXACTLY the same as /heal in XI. Except you could break the /heal by moving your controller. So you could get on your feat quickly from anything that may aggro you!

Sadly, /sit does not do this, you have to go to the action menu to click "stand" or type /sit again.

They didn't forget to give it to us, they just called it something different.

If anything this thread should be about allowing /sit to break when you use a movement key/joystick. Cuz by the time you hit stand or /sit, you get hurt pretty bad before you start moving :P

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Originally Posted by Rokien

The point of the /rest function would be to gain mp while you have enmity. Other than that you'll just be standing there with no mp for the whole fight. Which will make things harder, and more exciting

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Why not just be careful with your MP usage as you go and pop the occasional ether when necessary? I've done the /rest (or /sit depending on the game) and always found it to be quite annoying.

So say you cast bio on a mob and go into passive state and not move (also a GLA is holding hate), would you regain mp?

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Originally Posted by Linkurrra

Wow! Is there really that many ppl that does not realize that /sit increases the regen rate of HP/MP faster than just being in passive mode?!

Give it a try guys, you'll be amazed that it really makes a difference in your regen if you /sit. It's EXACTLY the same as /heal in XI. Except you could break the /heal by moving your controller. So you could get on your feat quickly from anything that may aggro you!

Sadly, /sit does not do this, you have to go to the action menu to click "stand" or type /sit again.

They didn't forget to give it to us, they just called it something different.

If anything this thread should be about allowing /sit to break when you use a movement key/joystick. Cuz by the time you hit stand or /sit, you get hurt pretty bad before you start moving :P

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I was going through the entire thread searching for "sit" on every page, and I was amazed nobody had mentioned, until you did, on the very last page, on the second to last post. Unlike you, i kinda like the fact that the /sit-ing cannot be broken accidentally, what I lament is the long time the animation to get back up takes. But that's just a detail. I agree the /sit situation should be fixed. I have a macro that sets me in passive mode and sits me down, and pressing the same again, gets me up. That said, whenever I am attacked while sitting down, by the time I'm full up and able to fight again, I'm half dead.

/sit doesn't make you gain mp faster(I've tried it) Its just forcing you to be still which makes your mp go up faster...

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

So say you cast bio on a mob and go into passive state and not move (also a GLA is holding hate), would you regain mp?

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Yes.

This thread is misleading.

The patch notes state while Incurring (acquiring) enmity you will not recover.

This language was put into the notes to clarify but somehow became misconstrued; the state in which you will recover HP/MP.

for example in 1.18 you would recover HP/MP while in passive no matter what.

In 1.19 you can now cast while in passive.
To balance what could otherwise become a broken mechanic they said you will recover HP/MP as long as you aren't actively gaining hate (incurring enmity). how could this be broken? Because the longer you stay still the greater Hp/MP a tick you'll recover. Just imagine a mage that doesn't move recovering 100 MP a tick casting cure recover 110 mp cast cure recover 120 mp. Thats broken.

SO they added a rule, If you are incurring enmity (actively gaining hate) your recovery will stop. and reset to your first tick, instead of where you left off. Casting cure while in passive will give you (incur) enmity. As long as the mob doesn't come over and punch in your face you will begin to recover again. Because you are no longer gaining (incurring) enmity.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Yes.

This thread is misleading.

The patch notes state while Incurring (acquiring) enmity you will not recover.

This language was put into the notes to clarify but somehow became misconstrued; the state in which you will recover HP/MP.

for example in 1.18 you would recover HP/MP while in passive no matter what.

In 1.19 you can now cast while in passive.
To balance what could otherwise become a broken mechanic they said you will recover HP/MP as long as you aren't actively gaining hate (incurring enmity). how could this be broken? Because the longer you stay still the greater Hp/MP a tick you'll recover. Just imagine a mage that doesn't move recovering 100 MP a tick casting cure recover 110 mp cast cure recover 120 mp. Thats broken.

SO they added a rule, If you are incurring enmity (actively gaining hate) your recovery will stop. and reset to your first tick, instead of where you left off. Casting cure while in passive will give you (incur) enmity. As long as the mob doesn't come over and punch in your face you will begin to recover again. Because you are no longer gaining (incurring) enmity.

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God hope no one has to tell ppl this again its very simple if you just read lol...

it depends on your interpretation of "incuring"

i take it to mean as soon as i take an action while a mob is engaged i will be *incuring* emnity

this would mean that, if my party engages a mob i can choose to not take any action and just stand there recovering MP

as soon as i cure the tank i would be incuring emnity and thus i wouldnt be able to recover mp untill the mob is dead or i have somehow managed to lose ALL emnity (ie, im dead)

your interpretation (if i understand correctly) is that you can cast a spell and then stop taking action and then start recovering MP.

to be honest im not sure which i am inclined to think is correct... i suppose im tempted to think the first one.

also, i can see raoming parties dissapearing (except for tp burn) which will also mean a full time puller (ie pre aht urghan FFXI style grind parties)- i say this because the mages will not be wanting to move around and the mobs will have to come thick and fast to keep chains alive.

i can also see burn parties making a comeback, mana and tp both.

bassically like CoP FFXI

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Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when incurring enmity.

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Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when incurring enmity while staying still.

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Just a heads-up =)

If you were unable to recover once you had enmity the wording would have been:

Players will not automatically recover HP and MP if they have INCURRED enmity

The patch says this:

Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when INCURRING enmity

if you are actively taking actions that put you on the mobs hate list you are INCURRING enmity. Once you stop doing those actions you are no longer INCURRING enmity.

It's not hard to understand.

INCURRING means actively acquiring something.

INCURRED means previously acquired something.

so which word does the patch notes use?
heres a hint:

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Originally Posted by Patch Notes 1.19

Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when incurring enmity

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i think incurring CAN mean i have aquired and that it is a matter of context

to be blunt i think you are just plain wrong.. what can i say. dont mean to offend.

-edit, actually i would like to take that back a little

i think you could be right but it is not clear either way

im simply going with the one i think is more likely.

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Originally Posted by Rogue

i think incurring CAN mean i have aquired and that it is a matter of context

to be blunt i think you are just plain wrong.. what can i say. dont mean to offend.

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If you took out an interest free loan (yeah right) for $1,000.00 You have just INCURRED debt. Are you still INCURRING more debt even though the loan is interest free?
NO.
You don't INCURRED more debt.

The words aren't interchangeable. They have two completely different meanings.

so in case of FF sake:

You don't INCURRED more enmity.
You INCURE enmity by INCURRING enmity, that enmity has now become INCURRED.

the patch notes say WHEN INCURRING enmity.

it doesn't say if you INCURE enmity
it doesn't say if you have INCURRED enmity

i suppose we will see

Heres the thing, there would be no point in saying ANYTHING at all about this if it went like this..... Cast spell(incurring enmity)-->Spell is done(not incurring enmity)-->Recover MP/HP right after you cast the spell. I hardly think thats going to be the case, why say anything at all if it was like that. The only time your going to be "incurring enmity" will be when the spell was caste, going from your words. That means you just have to sit in one spot and will ALWAYS GAIN HP/MP and never stop, unless your casting something. EVEN THEN you don't get enmity when your casting something, so there for the only time hp/mp will stop regaining will be the one second that your spell hits. I'm just going off your logic here bud..... To be honest, its pretty broke if its going to work like that.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Heres the thing, there would be no point in saying ANYTHING at all about this if it went like this..... Cast spell(incurring enmity)-->Spell is done(not incurring enmity)-->Recover MP/HP right after you cast the spell. I hardly think thats going to be the case, why say anything at all if it was like that. The only time your going to be "incurring enmity" will be when the spell was caste, going from your words. That means you just have to sit in one spot and will ALWAYS GAIN HP/MP and never stop, unless your casting something. EVEN THEN you don't get enmity when your casting something, so there for the only time hp/mp will stop regaining will be the one second that your spell hits. I'm just going off your logic here bud..... To be honest, its pretty broke if its going to work like that.

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The way I read it, if you have dots, debuffs, or hots applied, you won't be regaining HP/MP.There will very likely also be a small window after you use an ability/spell where you don't gain HP/MP.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Heres the thing, there would be no point in saying ANYTHING at all about this if it went like this..... Cast spell(incurring enmity)-->Spell is done(not incurring enmity)-->Recover MP/HP right after you cast the spell. I hardly think thats going to be the case, why say anything at all if it was like that. The only time your going to be "incurring enmity" will be when the spell was caste, going from your words. That means you just have to sit in one spot and will ALWAYS GAIN HP/MP and never stop, unless your casting something. EVEN THEN you don't get enmity when your casting something, so there for the only time hp/mp will stop regaining will be the one second that your spell hits. I'm just going off your logic here bud..... To be honest, its pretty broke if its going to work like that.

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When you start casting mp stops regenerating, when you use an self buff mp stops regenerating, when you move mp stops regenerating.

After you cast an spell use an buff and stop moving and wait about 3 secs (maybe more or less) mp will start to regen.....

Welp, if that is so Dreamer, then he is WRONG, chief that is... Because you wouldn't be gaining enmity(incurring it) during that "cool down" time.

I'm not saying one way is the final way here. I'm just going off your guys logic. This game will be SUPER easy if this is all the case, at least you had to put your weapon away before to gain it back.


PS: tons of errors in the patch notes as is. This could be one of them.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

/sit doesn't make you gain mp faster(I've tried it) Its just forcing you to be still which makes your mp go up faster...

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Your not paying close enough attention. Somebody told me about this just a couple weeks ago and I called them crazy and did not believe them.

Then I almost died and tried it out. The regen tick is twice as fast using /sit than just relying on passive mode!
Ever since then I have been using /sit to regain HP/MP.

It doesn't work well in impatient parties or aggro infested Places. But it does have it's uses and works.

You can choose to not believe me as I did my friend that told me.
But if you don't sit down and try to notice a difference your not going to see one. Do a timed trial, you heal in half the time. I have since solo fixed to my friend! Lol

Meanwhile, I'll continue to benefit from /sit while you stand there yelling at a CON telling them they aren't doing their job because they aren't healing you fast enough. Yet, you may notice they are /sit'ing to! lol

Btw, I'm really not saying you do this. I am using a generalized "You" because this is what I have observed in many PuP's (Pick up Parties)

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Heres the thing, there would be no point in saying ANYTHING at all about this if it went like this..... Cast spell(incurring enmity)-->Spell is done(not incurring enmity)-->Recover MP/HP right after you cast the spell. I hardly think thats going to be the case, why say anything at all if it was like that. The only time your going to be "incurring enmity" will be when the spell was caste, going from your words. That means you just have to sit in one spot and will ALWAYS GAIN HP/MP and never stop, unless your casting something. EVEN THEN you don't get enmity when your casting something, so there for the only time hp/mp will stop regaining will be the one second that your spell hits. I'm just going off your logic here bud..... To be honest, its pretty broke if its going to work like that.

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the way recovery will work in 1.19 you will get additional HP/MP the longer you taken no actions per tick.
example:
tick #1: HP/MP +10
tick #2: HP/MP +20
tick #3 HP/MP +30

or
tick #1 HP/MP +10
tick #2 HP/MP +10+2
tick #3 HP/MP +10+3

something like that.

if you move, are under attack or take an enmity gaining action your recovery stops, and starts over.

it would be broken if you continued to recover MP at that increased rate in passive mode alone regardless of actions taken.

The reason they put the language in, is so players don't say "I'm in passive mode, why am i not recovering" and SE would say well you're in passive but you started to gain hate by casting cure from passive mode so your recovery stopped.

Currently in 1.18 in longer fights mages will:
1) cast
2) go passive
3) wait
4) cast
5) go passive
6) wait

in 1.19 it balances the ability to cast from passive mode and the recovery rate. It becomes less tedious for mages to cast go passive cast go passive over and over.

We will still be able to recover mid battle regardless of the creation of enmity. As long as we're not actively creating enmity from passive mode (casting) or being attacked or on the move.

I hear FFXI is still up and running.

What does "to incur" mean?

incurring means "to become subject to specifically as a result of one's own actions"

I'm gonna have to agree with the OP on this one. I actually wrote a post last night on this very subject but I deleted it because I knew it would get a lot of negative feedback along the lines of "not needed" and "please, not another throwback to XI".

I'll try to explain why it would be desirable (though not needed) to have a /rest animation:

!st) I just don't like the idea of standing around doing nothing. If you are trying to regen HP/MP, you are doing something, you are engaged in an activity, therefore there should be an animation that indicates what action you are taking. Sure I could just use the /kneel emote myself but I prefer an ingame rest mechanic/animation.

2nd) For party play, back in my old Red Mage days it was always helpful in the heat of battle (when /tells can be missed) when I saw the WHM kneel down, I knew that I needed to step up and take over main healing for awhile, then when the WHM popped back up, I knew I could go back to Refresh Whore, Enfeeb Master and Haste Specialist.

3rd) When I am out Ranging on my Archer (soon to be Barcher?), if I see someone just standing still, I will ignore them as usual but now if I saw someone kneeling (or whatever animation rest is) I will know they they may need help and I would be more inclined to stop and ask or even help without asking.

4th) KO's and Res-Sickness is really gonna suck now. You used to be able to regain your HP/MP while running back to your Leve area, Behest, grind camp, dungeon, etc. Now you will either have to stand around at the Aetherite another few minutes before you head back or you will have to "rest" another few minutes after you get back to your camp. An animation to indicate you are not ready yet would be helpful. (Again, I am lazy and want the game to do it for me even though I could just kneel myself).

Now for my "lame-ass-easy-mode-casual suggestion/request: Since DoL are getting "Sneak" to avoid enemy encounters while gathering, I think it would be nice if we had a "Ghost Sneak Mode" after KO and while we are under Res-Sickness. Any action on our part should end the Sneak/Ghost Mode but while it is active we should not be attacked or take damage.

And since I am asking for everything on a silver platter already, make 2 different "/rest animations".

1 is that really cool "Dome-like" spell from the Opening CS Boat Ride which protects us from damage while resting. It would have to disappear both upon character action and also upon full HP but it drains MP while active.

The 2nd is the Ghost-Sneak ability that also disappears upon character action and when MP is full but it drains HP while active.

Just some thoughts I don't expect to be implemented but isn't this what these Forums are for...the exchange of ideas no matter how great or stupid they are? ;>)

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4th) KO's and Res-Sickness is really gonna suck now. You used to be able to regain your HP/MP while running back to your Leve area, Behest, grind camp, dungeon, etc. Now you will either have to stand around at the Aetherite another few minutes before you head back or you will have to "rest" another few minutes after you get back to your camp. An animation to indicate you are not ready yet would be helpful. (Again, I am lazy and want the game to do it for me even though I could just kneel myself).

Now for my "lame-ass-easy-mode-casual suggestion/request: Since DoL are getting "Sneak" to avoid enemy encounters while gathering, I think it would be nice if we had a "Ghost Sneak Mode" after KO and while we are under Res-Sickness. Any action on our part should end the Sneak/Ghost Mode but while it is active we should not be attacked or take damage.

And since I am asking for everything on a silver platter already, make 2 different "/rest animations".

1 is that really cool "Dome-like" spell from the Opening CS Boat Ride which protects us from damage while resting. It would have to disappear both upon character action and also upon full HP but it drains MP while active.

The 2nd is the Ghost-Sneak ability that also disappears upon character action and when MP is full but it drains HP while active.

Just some thoughts I don't expect to be implemented but isn't this what these Forums are for...the exchange of ideas no matter how great or stupid they are? ;>)

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I would like to see some nice "Weakness" and "Brink of Death" animations. Maybe when standing still with this status, your character hunches over and pants. Brink of Death would exhibit even more pain and agony, where they hunch over further and possibly do the occasional /stagger.

FFXIV have such lovely animations and facial animations for quite alot of the game components. It is always a pleasure to see more!

I know I've been preaching about /sit. But I'm not against /heal. I like where you guys are going with this. I do think it could stand to have an enhancement.

Visual Queues and feedback are always handy in battle. Not EVERYTHING needs to have flashy icons, in game battle symbol overlays. There is a point where, the flashy battle animations just get to be to much and you can't concentrate on the battle at hand. Instead your blinded by all the hits, the creature is taking and you can't even see if it is actually taking damage!

Shouldn't we be able to see if the creature is close to death without having to find the ever present HP bar over it's head or the Target information UI element?

Just sayin'

The idea of almost infinite amount of mp flow, doesn't sit well with me.

Probably a good place to drop a post of mine:

Enmity System

A valuable member of the FFXIV community did some extensive testing on the enmity system introduced in patch 1.18. Before I get into a simple explanation, I encourage you to peruse the following two links:

Explanation of Testing Procedure

Chart of Enmity Values

When a party is engaged in battle, each party member has a numerical enmity value equivalent to 0+ per claimed enemy. Every 1 point of damage done directly results in 1 point of enmity gained. Any 1 point of HP healed directly results in 0.75 points of enmity gained. Furthermore, other non-violent skills have static values of enmity gain. Traits such as Intimidate and Out of Sight provide +10% and -10% to all enmity gains respectively.

Essentially, a player's enmity is described most accurately as a numeric value that increases through the actions of that player. Further testing also shows that enmity neither gradually decreases over time, nor gradually increases over time.

Given that information, it is quite easy to see the difference between incurring enmity and having incured enmity:

• By performing an action that grants enmity to the user, one is incurring enmity.
• By remaining still despite having performed action earlier in the engagement, one has incurred enmity, however their enmity value has not since changed.

With a very straightforward, cumulative enmity system such as this it is not so difficult to imagine an HP/MP regen system that kicks into effect after a certain period of time of having a constant enmity value, and stops once a player's enmity value increases. Such a system would allow for a mage casting in passive mode to constantly be regenerating HP and MP by waiting between casts.

Previous Uses of the Term Incurring Enmity

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DoL Stealth Skill

• Once activated, the stealth effect will remain indefinitely.
• However, the effect will wear off if you reuse the action, incur enmity, enter certain areas, or change classes.
• The action is not subject to a recast time.
• Movement speed will be reduced while stealthed.
• The stealth effect nullifies any effects present that grant increased movement speed.
• The action cannot be used when:
  • Incurring enmity
  • On chocoback
  • In certain areas, such as city-states and dungeons

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Calling Your Steed
Your chocobo can be called by using the chocobo whistle via the micro menu.
However, you cannot call your chocobo when:

• Inside a city-state or dungeon.
• Incurring enmity from an enemy.

* No recast time is imposed upon the chocobo whistle.

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The bolded areas in the above quotes include the term incurring emity being used in the same tense.

In the case of the skill, Stealth, it is quite clear that incurring enmity is referring to getting aggro. If you already have the attention of a mob you cannot activate Stealth. With what we know about the enmity system, gaining aggro from a mob does not give you any numerical enmity. If another player was to come by and do exactly 1 damage on the enemy that has aggroed you, they would gain the enemy's attention and have hate on themselves henceforth.

This is important, because it points out that one can have an enmity value of 0, yet be in a state of incurring enmity.

The same conclusion can be reached by the information given by the information pertaining to the Chocobo Whistle.

With that manner of a definition, things get even more interesting. This implies that incurring enmity isn't necessarily based directly on your numerical enmity value, but rather the state of having the enemy's attention. When applied to the description of the changes to how one regenerates HP/MP it can be concluded that HP/MP regen only does not occur when the mage in a passive stance has a blinking red icon (has the mob's attention/hate), provided they are not at that point using an action.

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Originally Posted by NOC_NA

[dev1151] The following changes have been made to passive mode HP and MP recovery:

• Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when incurring enmity.
• HP and MP will automatically recover only while the player is stationary, regardless of whether or not he/she is engaged in battle. The amount of HP and MP recovered will increase based on the amount of time a player remains stationary.
  • The recovery amount will reset under the following conditions:
    • The player is attacked
    • The player moves or performs an action

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Furthermore, provided how performing an action is already explicitly given as something that resets HP/MP regen (note the use of reset instead of cease/stop) it would be redundant to suggest they mean to say gaining points of enmity will reset your regen value. Therefore, personally I am leaning towards HP/MP regen being active at all times between actions by a mage in passive mode so long as the mage is not blinking red.

I hope with that wall of text I was able to explain my reasoning effectively, and at least allow you to see the viable probability that mages very well may be regenerating MP quite often during party battle content.