Well it finally happen...

Nothing beats the random, "This is as far as I go." "I got to take a ****." "Good luck to you guys!" *drops from duty*

Sounds like another Elitist Jerk who can't handle being reminded that s/he had to come from being not so good themselves. Personally I tell players that we all play our characters our own way, a player who is comfortable with their playstyle and character is more likely to be able to enjoy themselves and the game, as opposed to someone whose only goal is to be the best, have the best gear etc. and grind themselves silly for it. Content isn't going anywhere, the rewards aren't going anywhere either.

OP: you play your character the way you want, if you feel you want to improve there's heaps of ways to help you do so, but just remember, you have to be comfortable with it. Anyone tries to force you into it because they don't like you? Tell them where to go and hold your head high.

Amiantos, I agree, but that doesn't make you hardcore. Hardcore means time spent, not ability or being competitive. When you were playing FFXI 18+ hrs a day, thats hardcore. Im not arguing with you or disagree, I am just trying to correct what you consider "Hardcore" to what it means. Im not saying you can't have a life. i'm saying hardcore players lives consist of way more playing than the casual player. Lets take your day, and Im planning this on the limited info you gave me:

Lets assume you work 7-4 M-F(Cause thats a sweet shift, i work in the service/retail industry..blah) Im going to also assume that you work no more than 30min away from your place of employment. So I'm gonna assume you leave atleast by 630am, with a wake up time of 530? Lets say you get on avg. 6hrs of sleep during work nights. So you might be in bed by 1130pm. You get home (assuming you leave on time) at 4:30pm. Ok I don't know what you do when you get home, if you have kids, dinner plans, running, etc. So lets say you spend about 4hrs total, give or take an hour, on home stuff and errands. Its now 830pm. Lets say this is your heaviest day with doing stuff, so if this day was to happen everyday m-f, you looking at 15hrs of freetime, if significant other is cool with you playing 3hrs straight. Now this is just 100% complete assumption of your day, but even in that scenario, you spent more time in one day on FFXI than a work week of free time of 3hrs day m-f. If you wanted to avg. 5 or 6hrs, something gotta change, whether you dont cook, don't help kids with homework, dont go running that day, etc.

Hardcore players value their play time and prioritize it over everything else. You, my responsible, casual playing friend, are not a hardcore player. Based off of that assumption of your daily schedule, which again, is 100% not factually verified for the people that are gonna yell. its just an example. Now that doesn't mean you are bad at the game when you do play or that you are not competitive, those things do not make you hardcore or casual.

Kinda hard not to be a casual, in a casual theme park MMORPG.

I think the definition of casual is so warped these days. Do people even know what the word means anymore. I work 40 hours a week. Am I casual because I can't no life the game?

Being casual or hardcore it's open to discussion, as there's no official definition for them that implies you spend ALL your time on it or you sacrifice IRL activities. I can say, by experience as a hardcore gamer, that you can have your life, doing all the activities you want and still be hardcore. You're just more dedicated, in my opinion. You care about the game and do your homework. It becomes a hobby for you. But people (as far as I can see) use these terms for different reasons and the most noticeable in this game are (Which I strongly disagree):

-Hardcore: I'm really good at this game. I'm superior than you because I know my stuff here and you don't. You casual scum. Git gud. (using the word "noob" is very common here to completement the insult)
-Casual: I have a life. I'm superior than you because I priorize certain irl activities over a videogame. You no lifer hardcore gamer. Get a bf/gf. (using the word "elitist" is very common here to complement the insult)

Both are using their labels to show themselves superior over the other. Both are using the opposite label to insult the other, making it look as a pejorative term. But for the examples you guys gave me, some people don't want to have kids or a partner, they have different schedules or jobs that allow them to play for more time, they can go ham one day in the game and the next day they are at the gym or with friends drinking. It's matter of choice and opportunity. It's matter of dedication. You can be a super no lifer and still be casual. You can have a busy life and still be hardcore. I know people like that.

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Moving the Mobs around?? With a Monk in the Group????

That's more or less the stupiest Thing ever and the first Thing you should learn not to do as a tank... (also with ninja and Dragoon but to a lesser degree)
You shouldn't bother with what he said at all.

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Tanks that jump around like a squirrel on crack should switch jobs. Most annoying thing ever.

I call myself casual all the time.

"For me to be offended by what you say I would first have to value your opinion."

I wouldnt put too much stock on what some random faceless person thinks of you on the internet.

Im usually the one calling people casuals, why would you assume all of us have been called casual at some point?

Not everyone on the forums is bad.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

-Hardcore: I'm really good at this game. I'm superior than you because I know my stuff here and you don't. You casual scum. Git gud. (using the word "noob" is very common here to completement the insult)

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That's an elitist attitude.
You can be hardcore without being a dick

To continue on the discussion regarding what casual and hardcore mean... I'd say there are three tiers actually :p "Casual", "hardcore" and "lifer". (These are just my opinions; yours may vary.)

Casuals are the "I play this for fun, but I do other things for fun as well; one isn't really more important than the other, or at least not much more important" category. Generally the kind of player who isn't too upset if s/he misses weekly things, like loot drops or challenge log entries or elite hunt bills... Because there's always next week.

Hardcore players are those who prioritize game time over other kinds of fun things, because they care really much about some aspect of the game. This doesn't have to be raiding or getting the latest and shiniest loot. It could also be collecting glamour equipment, levelling all classes to max, getting all the relic zetas, crafting really tricky crafts, fishing up that reluctant fish... Or anything else you might be focused on. They still do the things they need to do IRL, whether it be work, girlfriend/boyfriend/family time, household chores, but their main "fun" is playing the game.

And then there are the lifers, who (IMO) run the greatest risk of the game becoming an obsession. This is where you find the people who play an average of 10-12 hours or more per day. Whether it's because they're unemployed, skip sleep hours, don't care much for IRL socializing or something else, they cut down on "non-game" time as much as they possibly can.


Of course, all of these terms (in my eyes, again), do not say anything about the respective gamers' skill or 'eliteness'. A lifer can do high-end raiding four times a week, or just putter about for hours coming up with their next glamour outfits for all their jobs/classes... And a casual gamer might spend their limited time in the game reaching those high-end raids and focusing on doing only that.

Never in a serious light, OP.

I usually have worse insults thrown at me however.

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Never been called a casual, but i have been called a scrub healer for not being able to keep up the heals with a full 2nd half of the dungeon pull on AST with two monks as the DPS. (Copperbell HM, pull included the slimes at the end).

In short: i ran out of MP because AST doesnt have anything like divine seal or a quicker MP refresher like Aetherflow and energy drain. And yes i did draw ewer and used it on myself and bole on tank since it was on spread. I was low on mp before pull.

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This happened to me yesterday on SCH. In Copperbell too. It was a dark knight and he pulled the second half and he melted. I used Shadow Flare and lustrated him 3 times and within a second he was back down to 1k health. At the end of the pull, he's like "lol did i break line of sight??" And started saying that it would have went fine if I had used sacred soil..... Like 10% mitigation isn't going to help if you literally died within seconds.

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Well that first response aside.

I haven't had what happened to Edwin happen to me yet. Though I've possibly had almost a whole party (in a light party) give up after wiping 2-3 times against Nidhogg. (where I do notice I am his AoE bait as with all the other bosses that AoE) I think the tank stayed and the Healer and DPS went probably due to rage quit.

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I hate giving up after 2-3 wipes it makes no sense.

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To continue on the discussion regarding what casual and hardcore mean... I'd say there are three tiers actually :p "Casual", "hardcore" and "lifer". (These are just my opinions; yours may vary.)

Casuals are the "I play this for fun, but I do other things for fun as well; one isn't really more important than the other, or at least not much more important" category. Generally the kind of player who isn't too upset if s/he misses weekly things, like loot drops or challenge log entries or elite hunt bills... Because there's always next week.

Hardcore players are those who prioritize game time over other kinds of fun things, because they care really much about some aspect of the game. This doesn't have to be raiding or getting the latest and shiniest loot. It could also be collecting glamour equipment, levelling all classes to max, getting all the relic zetas, crafting really tricky crafts, fishing up that reluctant fish... Or anything else you might be focused on. They still do the things they need to do IRL, whether it be work, girlfriend/boyfriend/family time, household chores, but their main "fun" is playing the game.

And then there are the lifers, who (IMO) run the greatest risk of the game becoming an obsession. This is where you find the people who play an average of 10-12 hours or more per day. Whether it's because they're unemployed, skip sleep hours, don't care much for IRL socializing or something else, they cut down on "non-game" time as much as they possibly can.


Of course, all of these terms (in my eyes, again), do not say anything about the respective gamers' skill or 'eliteness'. A lifer can do high-end raiding four times a week, or just putter about for hours coming up with their next glamour outfits for all their jobs/classes... And a casual gamer might spend their limited time in the game reaching those high-end raids and focusing on doing only that.

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I've always been more of a producer.

In all seriousness that may be the most in-depth description between the two (or three) that I've seen on this forum.

I am casual and I am not ashamed.

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I think that people who get offended by casual take the game too seriously.

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Honestly at this point in time I think the line between Casual and Hardcore is arbitrary. You yourself have to decide where to draw it.

I love videogames. I eat, breathe, and sleep them. I've spend probably years of my life playing them. I've played many different franchises and genres. I have a Master's Degree in game design from a prestigious university. I have been working at a game company for years making games, some of which a few of you may have even played.

And yet I see myself as casual. My love and passion for the medium is as hardcore as anything can be but I call myself casual from an awareness of limits, and those limits are not dictated by my skill but my stamina. In FFXIV I will never be tackling Alexander Savage with a static bent on world firsts.... I probably won't tackle it with a static at all. My schedule is too insane and there are days I just don't feel like playing. In my age my tiny, carpal tunnel ridden wrists are also incapable of the twitch reflexes they once had.

For a while when I played WoW I considered myself hardcore. I showed up to regular raiding nights with a cutting edge group and threw myself against bosses like the Lich King. I was one of the best hunters on my server and my druid healer was always desired by people for clearing content as well. But those days are behind me, I'm spent.

I'm not interested in being best of the best, but in doing as well as I can in the content I do. Is there anything wrong with wanting to achieve greatness in a game? Nope. Is there anything wrong with going a slower speed and learning things as you go? Nope. And I'm not sure raw skill divides those camps. Content consumption does, and the way in which one chooses to do it.

I don't think being casual is a bad thing. Just because someone is doesn't mean they don't know how to play their job.

I don't remember being called it before. But it's no insult to me. If anything, this game taught me that the hardcore life is not for me. No matter how involved I get, I am competing against college students and high schoolers. I might become more skilled, but they will always have more time and more reason to spend said time.

So i have other things, including some that make money, and some that fulfills me personally. :)

Logged in just to reply to this because it really resonates with me lately. Last week I was harrassed in alexander floor 1 by a healer and tank for being an LOLdrg, and not being top dps in i176 gear, thinking it was a fluke I ran another run of floor 1 alex and again as the tank proceeded to suck and dps proceeded to die after healers died in first pull the tank and his fc i assume began the battlecry of loldrg's fault. To which I responded, "the only damage I took was the 2 hits to kill me after you all had died, I am not mp sponge, I did more damage than your dead dps, and the only reason I did not do more was your fail tanks kept spinning Faust, as for loldrg this loldrg tells all of you to eat shit and die like a drg." Then I left them to enjoy their no doubt continued deathfest and ate 30 mins downtime. I have not been back in Alexander since, I elected to instead focus on finishing upgrading my accessories which I have done i am now an even ilvl180 drg who is learning EX mechanics while completing his collection of My Little Ponies. I am confused by the visceral attacks i've experienced, the harrassment, and general nasty sniping comments i've gotten despite seldom taking aoe damage or falling to mechanics more than once. It's nasty enough that I am hesitant to participate in new content.

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

I think that people who get offended by casual take the game too seriously. Hell I'm casual because I don't raid 5 nights a week. lol

If the Tank throws out casual as an insult perhaps he just has personal issues - don't think about it too much!

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Pretty much like this.

Remember that online games are excelent hideouts for ill minded people that are shunned by society: Psycopaths, Sociopaths, Narcissists, etc. You have to remember that you will be playing with these people from time to time and they will be their true self protected behind the monitor. Just avoid these people, they are too sad, too angry to be dealt with.

Never been called casual. Been called Elitist once or twice which I can understand why. I have a very low tolerance for stupidity, which is what I run across all the time whenever I DF some of my roulettes. Normally I'll get irritated but not say anything and just do the runs in the slooow pace it goes. Other times it's been so bad I lose my temper, which I later regret because I realuze not everyone has the ability, experience, and brains to do a dungeon quick and smoothly.

Elitist though? I clock in 2 hours a day anymore, and never finished final coil.

I think I would prefer to be called casual instead of a no life gamer. Just think of it as a compliment. :)