It must suck being a dps class

10-20 mins for me normally... have some time that it will go more than 30 mins, but rarely happen.

I never waited longer than 10 minutes as melee DPS.
Than again I'm usually going with friends so I don't have to put up with baddies.

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Originally Posted by Ayrie

I'm more concerned with why it takes him 40 mins to complete.

And as a DPS.... That issue rests entirely with you.

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did you even read what he said?
he said it takes 40min in total, including que time...you know 15min que+25min run=40min.

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Originally Posted by Neuflune

Even my first clears didn't take that long.

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the first runs i made during EA, were the fastest, cause i was rushing - the first wave of ppl doing any said content, are usually the most efficient. We ended up one-shotting most stuff, even though we didn't know any mechanics.
it was like: oh a mechanic...i'll just do try to deal with it like i did 100s of times before, since most mechanics in HW, are copies of ARR mechanics - clear, well that wasn't so hard.

We need more tank jobs.

I'm bored with all the current tank jobs. None of them appeal to me the way, say, SAM would. PLD and DRK are both magic-based AND I HATE MAGIC. WAR is so vanilla it huuurrrts. Please give me a new tank job with some actual flavor to it (and no magicks, please, for the love of all that is not holy!)!

Im playing drg or smn, and mostly wait up to 5min for a lv51+ dungeon o;

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Originally Posted by Zyrusticae

PLD and DRK are both magic-based AND I HATE MAGIC.

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Paladin is TP based, actually. Only thing you use MP on is Flash and on occasion stoneskin if you crossclass it.

Also, on topic in general- I have... 20ish minute queues as a DPS? I don't really... care. I just spend that time crafting usually.

As a DPS, my ques are usually "average wait time less than 5min" that somehow end up being an "actual wait time" of around 20-40 minutes at least. And that's in roulette. Forget about when I first tried queing up for the individual level 60 dungeons to run them for the first time. Oh, and this is during prime time on my server when there's a log in que. If it's not one of the most popular dungeons then que times during the off hours can get up to an hour and a half, or even two hours.....

Oh and for people saying "just get a tank to help" with your time, you have to remember that that only works for the Expert and High Level roulettes, since while both Trials and Low Level reward the tomestone bonus, they still require a party of one......

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Paladin is TP based, actually. Only thing you use MP on is Flash and on occasion stoneskin if you crossclass it.

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I wasn't talking about resources. I was talking about the flavor of the job, which should have been obvious if you had actually read all of my post. Plus it cross-classes with freakin' conjurer of all things, which I refuse to level on my character.

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Originally Posted by Adventica6

14-15min guaranteed que times for the lvl 60 dungeons, for 80 law.

15min que + 20-25min clear time = 40m per 80 law, not including if you wipe.

what a joke.

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It's not bad. Queue up, do my Daily Hunts, Queue pops usually before I have them done. if not, leves, organizing ventures, selling loot that I've acquired, refining rotation.

And that's if I'm not distracted on my web browser either.

So, no, not really. You learn to adapt.

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Originally Posted by Zyrusticae

I wasn't talking about resources. I was talking about the flavor of the job, which should have been obvious if you had actually read all of my post. Plus it cross-classes with freakin' conjurer of all things, which I refuse to level on my character.

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Actually, I was trying to help you. Your gladiator is only level 22, so I figured since you hadn't unlocked the job you might not know how it works.

I did read your post though. The only indicated flavor I could extract from it was bitter. Maybe you should be more specific next time? Because, mechanically speaking, only a dark knight really uses MP. Further, I don't get how... SAM? Samurai, I take it, would satisfy this existential urge in a tanking job you desire. I personally enjoy warrior's aesthetic a lot, and don't see what kind you're looking for, since you did a poor job explaining it.

Try replacing your sass with facts. It helps convey your point much better.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Actually, I was trying to help you. Your gladiator is only level 22, so I figured since you hadn't unlocked the job you might not know how it works.

I did read your post though. The only indicated flavor I could extract from it was bitter. Maybe you should be more specific next time? Because, mechanically speaking, only a dark knight really uses MP. Further, I don't get how... SAM? Samurai, I take it, would satisfy this existential urge in a tanking job you desire. I personally enjoy warrior's aesthetic a lot, and don't see what kind you're looking for, since you did a poor job explaining it.

Try replacing your sass with facts. It helps convey your point much better.

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I feel this is kind of a pointless conversation, because there are no facts for me to convey, only feelings and emotions.

But okay. The current crop of tanks all bore me to death. How can I explain to you why they bore me to death? Best I can do is say that I want something that's slick and stylish. Something that feels cool instead of just bland (Paladin), typical (Warrior), or edgy (Dark Knight).

Something that tanks with finesse and actual skill and technique instead of magic or brute force. I feel like Samurai is the closest thing to something that would satisfy those demands. Just a hunch, mind you, as I don't know how Yoshida's team would realize it in-game (it could just end up being another DPS given his feelings on the matter). In that case I'll be stuck with WAR because I'm not leveling any magic jobs on principle. I'll hit 60 on it and then never touch it again unless I'm in a rush to finish my roulettes quickly, which means I end up contributing to the tank shortage.

I know a bunch of folks claim that most people just aren't willing to take up the tank role itself, but I am not one of those people. I am perfectly fine tanking. I just don't like the current crop of available tank jobs.

eeeeh.... DPS queue gives me time to fish, craft, gather, fate grind other jobs, etc etc.
don't really mind it really

when the que says 15 mins but u've been in for 30+ there is a problem and will turn many away from the game. Not worth a sub with the wait times.

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Originally Posted by Zyrusticae

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That makes a lot more sense, thank you. I don't think there's a lot of market for a finesse tank, without ending up with some sort of evade tank line NIN was in FFXI, and I get the feeling SE wants to avoid that ever happening again because if you have an evade tank, you really don't need to heal them- what with them not taking damage in the first place.

Still! I do hope that eventually a job of that type comes out that suits your desires. It's possible, true, and Samaurai could probably do it. I imagine there'd be a lot of emphasis on parries.

ever since expansion my queue time as bard hasnt been longer then 5 mins o.O