If you're going to be elitist....don't pug

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Sooo, you're one of those that get angry with me when I use my Blank, Leg Graze , Heart Breaker, Hot Shot combo to send enemies flying and kill them before they can get back up?

Because no matter how useless it may seem, it totally looks like I hit them with a shotgun then finished them with a revolver when I do that with Mechanist. <Troll Face>

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No I'm one of those guys that get angry when you play a Ninja and use a single Jutsu 100% of the time "Doton" be it AoE or Single target, with no Huton up ever while spamming AE without using the pre combo skills or even bothering with standing in the right position.
I'm talking about really bad here.
Casual are not bad players what gets me pissed are people that make you think how it's even possible to hit such low numbers.

I ran into this last night where we had a healer face pulling groups then blaming the tank after he died. DPS wasn't bad but he was convinced it was cause we... watched the video ( DUN DUN DUN!!!!)

Yeah, It was rather ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Renault

Unfortunately the game FORCES you to pug low level roulette. Trust me, people have been asking for a premade low level roulette for over a year.

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I was just going to add that SE does this for a reason; after all what is the point of allowing premades when the purpose of adding tomes, is to incentivize higher level players to help lower ones.

There are other ways for players to get to get tomes; if you are not going to be polite to other players why go into low level roulette.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

No I'm one of those guys that get angry when you play a Ninja and use a single Jutsu 100% of the time "Doton" be it AoE or Single target, with no Huton up ever while spamming AE without using the pre combo skills or even bothering with standing in the right position.
I'm talking about really bad here.
Casual are not bad players what gets me pissed are people that make you think how it's even possible to hit such low numbers.

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Ninja's that do that are only slightly better than the ones that don't use their Ninjutsu at all. Seems you're a lot like me, if you can be innovative with your rotation and still do your job correctly (Like how I NEVER cleric stance in WHM but still hit like a black mage as fast as I fling spells) but absolutely hate the players that cant even do their own role right let alone any one else's. (And this is coming from some one who once beat a level 10 mob to death with a fishing rod for argoing on me while fishing)

The majority hasn't figured out that new players are whats fueling this game. Push them away and all you have is yourselves, and you already can't stand playing with each other as it is.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

The majority hasn't figured out that new players are whats fueling this game. Push them away and all you have is yourselves, and you already can't stand playing with each other as it is.

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I love rookies my self. I main Dragoon and had it at 50 before anything else was over 15. So when I mentioned to a fellow mechanist that they could help their TP shortage by using the Lancer Skill Invigorate it was an actual surprise to them. How ever, I take offence to any Lvl 60 Tank no matter which of the three they are that cant keep argo. Or a Lvl 60 healer that can't manage their MP properly. By the time you're at that level you should know better and I have no more sympathy. But if I get stuck in Normal Satasha and the poor "This is the 1st time I've seen a dungeon" Noob has trouble keeping aggro from my classes that are Stupid OP for that area, I cut them some slack.

Rookies and Noobs arent the problem, it's the "I can play how ever I want because screw mechanics" guys that really piss me off.

We were all new at one point. But there is a big difference between new players (who have done proper research, read wiki on steps by steps of the fight rotation, and watch youtube videos to prepare to what's coming) and totally new casual cathy who just go blind for the fun of it (and not quite familiar with endgame dungeons mechanic). The more prepared players who are seasoned will be able to adapt fast, and understand the roles and mechanics, the casual cathy will cause wipe after wipe after wipe after wipe. Please don't be that player, learn your role, learn your abilities, learn the mechanic, and study and prepared the fights before hand if you are new. Alexander floor 1-3 is piss poor EASY, each roles has certain mechanic to deal with, but it is nigh impossible to clear if half your group are too oblivious on what is going on in the battle.

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Originally Posted by Oldschool

Seriously. There are a lot of people new to the game, yet you pug then cry when you get a group of new people in a low dungeon roulette. What are you thinking? If you are so great and can't stand ot be around new people.....DON'T PUG!

No, it was not even directed at me, but at the other new people in the group who were in a low level dungeon for the first time. I just can't stand elitists. If you are not willing to help the new people in the community just stop queueing, it is pathetic.

/rant off

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I could ask the same. If you want to be super casual don't use the duty finder. I never had an issue with that so. I see new people in my groups I explain it to them once and we get it over with, sorry I didn't invited them to my online house for some pixel coffee....

I usually am able to kick the dicks out of parties just before the final boss. Love doing that when I get Temple of Qarn.

How do the "super casual" people get groups if they can't get them on their server? By using the duty finder.

I did the Bowl of Embers for the first time recently via duty finder. One guy said he was new and didn't know about the instance. I was going to explain what to look out for even though I'm a "super casual" player who just happened to learn about the instance beforehand, but the tank popped out of the cut scene and went toward the boss. No time to explain. The new guy kept losing health from the AOE areas on the ground but I didn't have time to tell him to get out (I was healing). I didn't get upset at the guy who was taking damage because he probably didn't know what was causing it. I expect some groups would have kicked him out for not having done his research first. Shame on those super casual people for being so casual...

I used to play another mmo with hobbits and dwarves and all that stuff, and it was fun going into a new instance with friends AND people I didn't know, and not knowing what to expect, and having to learn from that. It's unfortunate people can't use the duty finder for that same thing since the DF is all about rushing through the instance to get the xp bonus. It would be nice if there was a way to indicate in the DF tool that you wanted a group of ONLY new people so that everyone in the group could experience the content for the first time regardless of the age of the content.

There's no comparison between rushing through an instance and not really having time to take the whole thing in, in terms of a visual and gameplay experience, versus going into it for the first time and working with other people to figure things out.

I don't disagree that some people can have rude, elitist attitudes. However, I find just as often,if not more often, that players get defensive very easily and quickly fling the "elitist" tag at other players.

Don't be a victim. Sometimes other players offer genuinely good advice, don't take it as a personal attack, but rather learn and grow from it. Don't just remain silent when people try to converse with you because you think they are attacking you. Sometimes players expect others to play their class/job correctly and effectively. I don't think that is unreasonable given that one player's performance can certainly effect the game play experience of those around them. Is your time more valuable than theirs? Is your game play experience more important than others'? Should they need to taylor their experience to make sure your needs are met?

Again, I'm not saying that there aren't elitist jerks. They exist, and everyone encounters them at some point. However, I do find that the term is used far to loosely as a defense mechanism when people don't take responsibility for themselves.

On a side note, I personally like seeing new players, especially those eager to learn and grow. What I don't like to see is players that are content with being dead weight and expect the rest of the population to drag them around.

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Originally Posted by Killabri

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Well said. We were all noobs once. Personally I like seeing the message that someone is new, I like to help. I ask if they want pointers or not and if they do I spill the beans. The XP bonus is nice now as well for the new person being in.

And the whole video this makes me sick. "hey I watched a video so insta win!!" No you learn stuff by DOING IT. I got into a BEX with a whole group of new to it people, and one guy asked, did you watch the video.../slap

I didn't know there was one definitive video.

At any rate, great attitude and keep it up. Community thrives with folks like you.

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That mixed emotion you feel when someone pulls out their 60 job as credentials for having a better understanding of pre-50 content. It's a combination of irritation but also amusement. You can't tell them they're clueless since it's pretty hard to be if you get that high... but at the same time, they haven't even been 60 for a month. Nobody has.

It suggests nothing about how long they spent at the 50 cap and if anything suggests that they may be worse off for making a race out of it.