More gender locked clothing

I personally find the biggest problem with male and female sets is that is gives a different vibe. If you noticed, typically when male and female armor that is actually exclusive to the gender has the same theme they stay exclusive to each gender. Swimsuits, wedding (for bride and groom), etc. The problem I've noticed is that they give off different themes belly dancers for females and desert dweller for males; hence, expanding the themes a female can equip by making the male armor unisex.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Um, I don't quite agree. That's like saying Disney's characters Aladdin and Jasmine belong in different movies because they don't fit the same theme. Both outfits are fantasy-arabic. =)

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Hmmm, I guess I'll try to explain it this way. There are four types of underwear: Boxers, boxer briefs, jock-strap and thongs. They're all relate-able due to them all being underwear. However, all of them have a form of "feeling", "vibe" to them. I guess I'm having difficulty finding the word to fit what I'm saying, but I hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by Wolfyboy

different themes belly dancers for females and desert dweller for males

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Um, I don't quite agree. That's like saying Disney's characters Aladdin and Jasmine belong in different movies because they don't fit the same theme. Both outfits are fantasy-arabic. =)

They both have an Arabic theme, sure, but one is unisex the other female only. The one has a glamorous "performer" aspect and the other a more practical Arabic aspect. Why can't men be glamorous performers too?

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Originally Posted by Wolfyboy

Hmmm, I guess I'll try to explain it this way. There are four types of underwear: Boxers, boxer briefs, jock-strap and thongs. They're all relate-able due to them all being underwear. However, all of them have a form of "feeling", "vibe" to them. I guess I'm having difficulty finding the word to fit what I'm saying, but I hope this helps.

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It's kinda true that the "male"/female outfits differ in that one's the owner of the harem and the other is the harem girl. So to speak. I just don't quite see the same disconnect in theme as you do ^^ Might be because I saw (and still see) the term 'theme' a bit more strictly, so it's entirely because of me =D

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Originally Posted by Terrini

They both have an Arabic theme, sure, but one is unisex the other female only. The one has a glamorous "performer" aspect and the other a more practical Arabic aspect. Why can't men be glamorous performers too?

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Oh, I completely agree =) Either they should both be unisex, or both be gender-specific. I never said anything different.
(And yes, we need harem boys just as much as harem girls...)

oh hey this thread again,

useral stuff
yes let guys wear what they wish
wait til next patch there might be more glamour

yadda yadda ya,

i run out of energy to type on these threads since 2.0 where there was a thred about men wearing the female bikini

tho i did a big thread supportingg guys wearing this on the big 60+ page one on page 20 something :D

its also 4:30 in the morning no energy really to type

How about an option for censorship for unsuitable audiences...? When turned on, all indecently exposed characters will be displayed wearing a robe + cowl...

But the game is rated T and no one's full on naked so

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

But the game is rated T and no one's full on naked so

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As of now, I am to protest this. Until we have equality in clothing options, I will henceforth wear nothing but a pair of boots.

http://i.imgur.com/ZzbtkY3.jpg

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

I suppose it's better than a pure lockout, but that also seems to be functional gear and less so vanity sets, so a lockout really couldn't happen without clear gameplay effects.

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GW2 has plenty of vanity gear with no lockouts, and themed sets with one set per gender, which, as another poster has described does give rise to the problem of different aesthetics, unfortunately. And yes, the revealing armour for women, making them seem less functional has gotten pretty over the top.

I 100% agree with op.
These are some of the things from my thread on this topic where I drew my guy in the Thavnairian Bustier and some variations I came up with.
http://i.imgur.com/fLnImW5.png http://i.imgur.com/7He0YBM.png http://i.imgur.com/n9qKIM2.png http://i.imgur.com/XlOMATE.png

Nice job, I vote for the square on the bottom left. That's a perfectly viable male version of the outfit that is in line with the theme of the set and it's not even crossing gender lines by putting a guy in a dress. Unlike a lot of the Healing Gear that's in the game, the WoD Healing set makes guys look like someone being forced to play along at their kid sister's tea party, and Scylla's Healing Dress- I finally realized what scared me about it: watch Psycho to the very end and you'll see. Ah and the Chimerical Felt healing outfit, because I always wanted to be a Duchess of something or other.

So there's no point in taking about how making male versions of new gender-locked gear would be putting guys in female clothes, when existing gear already does that to you whether you want it or not.

Third and fourth one are diviiiiine

Give me

Squeenix hire this person

Just read a few comments that somehow irked me so I'll just say remember that not only men play as male characters, and you don't have to find something sexy to want to make your character wear it . I don't have to be a man attracted to other men in dresses to want this. >>

Oh god here we go again.

Going to attack Square enix till they break down and do what you say, that is really messed up and not fair to others who don't wanna see men prancing around in woman's attire.

Why can't you guys respect that? Not everything needs to go your way, I don't have a issue with how you are the way you dress but why force that onto others who maybe don't wanna see it?

I mean I don't care if girls wear guys stuff but guys wearing girl stuff, pop a fantasia change to a girl less stress on the developers.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

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We're not throwing rocks as Yoshi-P, we're saying "Hey, SE seriously, this isn't right nor fair, can you please fix it?", like anyone else is with any complaint or suggestion. Like heck are you going to barge into every suggestion/complaint thread and say that? Not everyone wants to see women in bikinis all the time, but there's generally nothing wrong with it, same with men wearing dresses.

Why can't you respect that people have different tastes and there's generally nothing wrong with a man wearing traditionally feminine clothing. I don't want to see people playing girl PCs and wear things like the taffeta or the bikinis, heck it even makes me a little uncomfortable for a few reasons, but I ultimately don't have an issue nor will I actively talk about removing bikinis because I don't like seeing girl PCs in them. If I can get over my personal qualms with it, you can too, because there is generally nothing wrong with having girl characters in bikinis, just as there's generally nothing wrong with men in traditionally feminine attire. P

No, let's actually campaign to make all the stuff that looks meant for guys, like the suits or the gambler's outfit, and lock them for men PCs only. I'm sure "Just pop a fantasia and change to a guy if you wanna wear it" will be such a great response.

By the way, if it's really that much of an issue, they should be campaigning to remove the skirts and other feminine clothing men can already wear. It's not something new, this is literally a case of SE being lazy.

Responses like yours make me wanna scream Zeonx.

We didn't even get to bother them about the now unisex outfit and they modified it (even added a whole new bra) so that female characters could wear it, why would it break SE to fit the outfit to the other wireframe? Agreeing with Ymal, I'm a girl and I want to look at a cute guy and dress him up however I want; just like the guys who play a girl character. And as for male characters even wearing "girl clothes" have you played this game? I main BLM and ever other piece we get is a dress or skirt; I've gotten like three new skirts in this expansion alone!

They want our feedback. Every company wants it, and plenty of them pay to get it. SE wouldn't have a game without players so they tend to listen to what they say.

Telling us to fantasia is such a bs answer it makes me want to slap some sense into you.

I said it before, but it bears repeating. My 15 a month has a market value the same as anyone else's, and if someone who rolls a female character gets more clothes options than me, it means that SE is unfairly putting more value to that person's dollars than mine.

Yes I could make a female/reroll/fantasia, but I shouldn't have to. I'm an equal customer, and I deserve equal rights in all aspects of clothing design/glamour. If this means making male only things, fine but stop fricking giving all the clothes to girl characters. It's bullpoop and we all know it. If you don't wanna see me in a dress, I can respect that...but this isn't about me in a dress.

This is about options. I should have the OPTION to wear anything I want. Just because people have an option doesn't mean they'll all take it. Every day we have the OPTION to go drink 3 gallons of milk and force-vomit. The OPTION is there, yet I don't see us all rushing out and doing it.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I mean I don't care if girls wear guys stuff but guys wearing girl stuff, pop a fantasia change to a girl less stress on the developers.

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And this right here is why you cannot be taken seriously.

I still have scars from seeing an Atrox from Anarchy Online in a thong, so no.
Just no.

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Originally Posted by HighMarshal

I still have scars from seeing an Atrox from Anarchy Online in a thong, so no.
Just no.

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http://www.ffshrine.org/ff9/fmvshots...ecia/00017.jpg
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Square has given their male characters skimpy outfits, I don't see why they should skimp out on it now.

♪♫♪ Let it go, let it go... can't take these threads anymoooore ♪♫♪

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/r...gain_super.jpg Play as 2 toons then you think a guy go into a shop like say idk baby the stars shine bright and say waaaaaaaa make this for men? http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/055...g?v=1422650228 hell a lot of girls can't fit into outfits deal with it

As always, I will support these type of threads. SE either make:
* 1 female and 1 male outfit.
* 1 or 2 uni-sex outfits for both genders
but for stop favouring one side and giving them the goodies.

I play on a female charcters, so this wont affect me, but for all the players, this is not fair and SE needs to answer why its OKE for one gender to get 2x clothing.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

As always, I will support these type of threads. SE either make:
* 1 female and 1 male outfit.
* 1 or 2 uni-sex outfits for both genders
but for stop favouring one side and giving them the goodies.

I play on a female charcters, so this wont affect me, but for all the players, this is not fair and SE needs to answer why its OKE for one gender to get 2x clothing.

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Act SE owes the fans nothing. Tell me why dose SE need to say why they make more for girl toons? it's there game so it's there rules

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidori

Act SE owes the fans nothing. Tell me why dose SE need to say why they make more for girl toons? it's there game so it's there rules

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They dont owe us anything, but the only reason why we are seeing more and more threads comming is, because SE has been silent. If SE wants the players to stop making these threads, they need to come and explain to us why one side gets 2x the items and the other side does not.

Its clothing now, what if they start giving female more hairstyles, new facial options or worse like TERA and give females only the new classes. Not saying these things will happen, but if SE is fine with letting females have 2x glamour, one could wonder what else they think is fine. Imagine, Blue Mage being released 5.0, for female characters only.

I'm content with gender locked clothing. What I'm not happy with is the lack of male only clothing options. I do hope it's addressed in the future and that male characters get more awesome looking sets that are unavailable to female characters to help balance things out.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

♪♫♪ Let it go, let it go... can't take these threads anymoooore ♪♫♪

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Please go into any of the other complaint threads and use that sort of rhetoric.. It won't be too well received, I can tell you that. It's kind of rude and dismissive to go into a thread and say "I'm tired of seeing these threads so stop". I get it can be pretty annoying seeing the same topic over and over, but at least try to be a little sympathetic.

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidori

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I.. Don't understand what you're trying to say and I feel the distortion of your posts from the images isn't helping. If you're talking about how dresses generally aren't tailored for men therefore you shouldn't be asking dresses for men.. Well boy Lalafell and girl Roegadyn have some words to speak with you.

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidori

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Uh.. We're giving them money with expectations of a product remains at a certain quality level? It's basic consumer/producer relationship. Keep in mind, you're playing a game made under the impression that SE owed their consumers something after the disaster that 1.0 was.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

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Well, they've explained why, iirc it was something along the lines of making clothes currently only for girl's into unisex clothes is difficult. But.. I disagree with the whole "They don't owe us anything" rhetoric, it's their responsibility to give the consumer a quality product, assuming it's within their power and isn't morally wrong. With regards to this topic, making the various girl-locked clothes available for men isn't something SE morally opposes, it's a matter of them not wanting to put in the effort to make it possible when it's well within their power to do so.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

They dont owe us anything, but the only reason why we are seeing more and more threads comming is, because SE has been silent. If SE wants the players to stop making these threads, they need to come and explain to us why one side gets 2x the items and the other side does not.
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In real life most guys don't wear or have more outfits then girls that and girls can wear guys outfits a hell of a lot easy and still make it work. My guess SE sees this and go by this {yes SE will base some stuff off real life}

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

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Lala don't count since a boy lalafell looks 100% like a girl lalafell {they both have 0 sexy ness and have the body of a baby don't get me wrong i love lalas there cute as hell but yea} And yes men in real life don't look as good in a dress dresses are not made for men {don't understand why this guy vs dress stuff always comes up} if your fighting for men to walk around in a dress and stuff you won that fight in real life. But this is a game SE can pick what they want guys and girls to wear i have many transgender Friends who disagree with a lot of you. so if you wanna be a boy be a boy a girl be a girl you can't have both worlds but if you want them your in luck you can make 2 toons

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidori

In real life most guys don't wear or have more outfits then girls that and girls can wear guys outfits a hell of a lot easy and still make it work. My guess SE sees this and go by this {yes SE will base some stuff off real life}

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In real life women visit the hairdressers more then their male counterpart, does this mean SE will release more hairstyles for females only? Should we be oke with this standard? This is a mmorpg not the real life and everyone here pays the same (legacy pay less) subscription fee. If SE is planning on handing out more stuff to the females, they should atleast be honest and say "Hey everyone, we will provide the female characters with more X and Y then the males" If they did this and added this information on the box of the game, then atleast all the players with a male avatar would already know what they are going to expect.

Its simple realy, if a developer does not think that a dress or a feminine outfit is not going to fit the male avatars, then make a exclusive outfit to balance the female one. This way females get 1 exclusive outfit, males get 1 exclusive outfit and both genders get to share 1 uni-sex outfit. Everyone will be happy, no more threads asking for equality.

PS: If the character model for females are easier for making a armour, why cant male lalafell wear the same outfit as the female ones? The body is probaly 100% the same.

Your post about the lolita clothes means jack squat. I'm a lolita myself and as such have attended multiple meetups and teaparties where I interacted with others wearing that fantastically beautiful fashion. I have met several brolitas, as we call them, over the years, one of which was a father who came with his daughter (both in Baby the Stars Shine Bright head to toe). Let me tell you he was tall and had legs for miles that looked better than half the girls attending and he wore the dress as well as anyone there. The guys who wear lolita don't bug anyone for a uniquely made dress, they just put on what is available for everyone and look good. I applaud anyone who wears the fashion in public settings, and especially males who have the sheer guts to wear whatever they like. Lolita is for anyone who wants to feel beautiful regardless of what reproductive organ is between their legs.

Also, one of the most prestigious brands out there was created and worn by a male; heck he played a big part in making lolita popular! I speak of course of Mana-sama and his brand Moi-Meme-Moitie.

Some gorgeous brolitas to prove my point:

http://i.imgur.com/nVfBkra.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wVlLUVV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PbaGbRl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5jsfMwY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GgBYIg6.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5RXq6eB.jpg

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Originally Posted by Laerune

PS: If the character model for females are easier for making a armour, why cant male lalafell wear the same outfit as the female ones? The body is probaly 100% the same.

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That's easy maybe SE is not ok with males wearing female gear? to me a male lala be fine in female gear since they have the same body

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidori

That's easy maybe SE is not ok with males wearing female gear? to me a male lala be fine in female gear since they have the same body

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That is why SE needs to just come here and tell us why they are giving one side more outfits then the other. If the model of the female vs male was the issue, then giving a male Lalafell the same outfit as a female one would have not been a issue. This is why I think the model of a character is probaly not the reason why they are giving females more outfits. Lets say the model of the gender was the factor, why are they OKE with giving one side more then the other?

Lets say one of the developers (I dont know what I have with hairs today :)) is better in designing female hairstyles and we see more hairstyles for female released then males, would we be oke with this? Its the same as the outfits, SE is saying making/converting armour for females is easier then males, so females get more outfits, so more hairstyles should be fine aswell, right?

I bet my chocobo, that we would see less threads if SE came to this thread and started a dialogue with is, do they owe us? NO, but as their customers, this is the least that they can do for us.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm content with gender locked clothing. What I'm not happy with is the lack of male only clothing options. I do hope it's addressed in the future and that male characters get more awesome looking sets that are unavailable to female characters to help balance things out.

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^ This describes my thoughts perfectly. More gender locked outfits please. That way it's more likely that gear looks flattering on both male and female characters. (Personal taste but I'm so happy I didn't pick a male avatar after having to wear scylla's robe for weeks. *shudder*) More style options would be nice too. I'm a huge fan of kilts (skirts made specifically for men), night elf style revealing mail/leather armor for girls (subligars don't count because they're butt ugly), bare chested but covered in jewelry and war tattoos/paint top options for males, and revealing silk dresses with lots of jewelry for girls (belly dancer outfit for example). There are some of those in game already but I'd love more for variety. Blinding my enemies with diamonds and sex appeal is a valid battle plan right? Haha :P

Edit. Since real life was brought into the discussion, I might as well chime in. It saddens me to see people dissing men for wearing something that's not traditionally made for them to wear. I feel like the (developed) world has advanced so well by relaxing the behavior and clothing expectations for women, yet men are still held to those archaic standards of manliness. This kind of treatment is no less sexist than telling women to wear dresses and do the all housework.

I support gender lock outfits. Those gentleman suit, gambler set and arabic glamour that always have access for woman because "Yeah woman suits well with those outfit, why can't this outfit become unisex? UNISEX OR RIOT PERIOD" while bunny ears and loincloth for male is disgusting for society because "Ew wut? It's totally not makes sense for male using that because it looks gay. You only looks good in full armor and robe." :(

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Originally Posted by Terrini

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Because you speak for every male character, right?

I really can't believe I read arguments about people are forced to look at too naked male characters and are offended this way. How about stop posting your bigotry nonsense because I am forced to look at it and I have true reason to be offended by your 14th century behaviour. Thanks. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Whitemare

I really can't believe I read arguments about people are forced to look at too naked male characters and are offended this way. How about stop posting your bigotry nonsense because I am forced to look at it and I have true reason to be offended by your 14th century behaviour. Thanks. :mad:

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Believe it or not, straight males don't exactly enjoy looking at half-naked dudes, it's not really "bigotry". That being said, they should still design gear with both genders in mind, so they don't cater just to female characters.

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Originally Posted by Kelg

Believe it or not, straight males don't exactly enjoy looking at half-naked dudes, it's not really "bigotry". That being said, they should still design gear with both genders in mind, so they don't cater just to female characters.

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Believe it or not ... maybe I dont enjoy looking at half nakd females too? WHO ever talked about the kind of sexuality that prefers this or that look??! That alone is enough sign of bigotry. The difference between us seems to be nothing more than tolarance. So yes I pretty much get a vibe of bigotry here :3 Btw how about some female players like to have a half naked male char the same as some male players like to have a half naked female char. Stop acting like we want something noone else has. Equal right for all.

I just want to wear bunny ears damn it. Guys can be bunnies too! T^T