Devs, here's how to ACTUALLY stop speed running.

Coming from other mmo's were pull as much as possible and aoe down, is pretty much the preferred method of everyone, I don't really understand the issue.

Why exactly are you complaining that you are moving quicker through a dungeon? (I'm genuinely curious).

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Envoyé par Korashy

Coming from other mmo's were pull as much as possible and aoe down, is pretty much the preferred method of everyone, I don't really understand the issue.

Why exactly are you complaining that you are moving quicker through a dungeon? (I'm genuinely curious).

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Well, there actually a list of issues speed running can cause for some players some or all of the time.

First some simply have trouble manipulating the controls quickly enough, this could be newness, or having lost physical ability for other reasons outside of their control. Second is reduced ability that they do control, for example I've known several people who only game while drinking. Third is money based, as in their computer or connection simply can not keep up.

Lastly some folks actually play mmo's with the intent to socialize a bit, early mmo's encouraged this, even during their hardest content in some cases.

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Envoyé par Llyren

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I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think it's not an invalid claim to say that most people don't sign up to duty finder to socialize, but for exp/items.

I'd say that the ideal pace is the maximum the party can handle, as it provides both efficiency and challenge. Having tanked a lot in other games, I personally, tend to ramp up the pace after the first 1-2 pulls based on what I think the healer and dps can handle.

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Envoyé par Llyren

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Why can you only socialize while doing small-pack pulls? In theory your casting uptime should be the same.

Also none of those 3 issues are reasons that devs should balance the game around. "This is well-tuned, but can people do it drunk" isn't a priority question.

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Envoyé par Malevicton

Why can you only socialize while doing small-pack pulls? In theory your casting uptime should be the same.

Also none of those 3 issues are reasons that devs should balance the game around. "This is well-tuned, but can people do it drunk" isn't a priority question.

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Could be said it's not really well tuned if you can pull all the trash, but that is mostly due to character progression. If i spend time to collect powerful gear I want to be able to actually see it having an effect, like being able to tank much more, or heal the tank, or dps things down faster. If i'm coming back to a dungeon with much higher ilvl then when it was originally cleared, and I'm seeing no difference in clear speed, then it takes away my sense of character progression.

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Envoyé par Malevicton

Why can you only socialize while doing small-pack pulls? In theory your casting uptime should be the same.

Also none of those 3 issues are reasons that devs should balance the game around. "This is well-tuned, but can people do it drunk" isn't a priority question.

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Because during speed runs, I don't have time to type, because if I stop casting heals that squishy arsed tank is gonna drop and I'm going to get blamed for it.

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Envoyé par Nadirah

Because during speed runs, I don't have time to type, because if I stop casting heals that squishy arsed tank is gonna drop and I'm going to get blamed for it.

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God forbid you have to use abilities during a fight! Even in small pulls, you could cast other things besides heals (*not trying to start a healers must/must not dps debate, please nobody start that* just pointing out that there are other options besides standing there doing nothing). So yeah if the tank dies because you stopped in the middle of the fight to talk about how neat the architecture is, then you deserve to get blamed; that was your fault.

MMOs are social games, but you aren't supposed to be socializing at literally any given time. If you're in the middle of a fight, that's a bad time to start a chat. But even if you want to, use a VOIP and you can chat as much as you want during the most intense of mechanics.

Also only works for healers. If you're a dps or a tank then whether it's a small or big pull you shouldn't stop using abilities. It's not like you can over-tank or over-dps like you can with healing.

I just don't understand why people feel they have the right to just not try in group content. If you mess up or are confused, then fine; not everyone will be perfect and shit happens and some people are new. But the people with you aren't NPCs to support you, you're supposed to be a team working towards an objective. Show them some respect.

There was a request for some of the reasons. I provided a few :D

I've regularly played in various guilds over the years with with drunkards, people missing a hand, the retired, even a few with MS. Online a larger segment of the population then you might realize is taking the opportunity to be treated just like everyone else for a change. Devs absolutely consider this group when balancing things, why do you think open world combat is so easy, in pretty much every mmo.

On Socializing, I find jokes are a pretty good way to earn commendations, almost as good as being the Tank. Yeah, folks still value socializing
On Challenge, once again drunk play, why do you think there are so many Bards, or folks that are simply inconsistent.
On small pack pulls its easier to get behind on the multiple pack pulls, heck sometimes the tank even sprints on the speedruns.

I think I answered most, didn't expect that post to be popular :D

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Envoyé par Llyren

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Okay, should've specified good reasons lol XP

And yeah, socializing is good. But not in the middle of a fight. You can socialize in between pulls regardless of pull size, and regardless of pull size you shouldn't be doing it in the middle of an encounter. No matter how funny your joke is, if I die because you were typing it in the middle of a fight then you will never get my comm, and if you're on my server you might get straight up blacklisted, because I really don't want to play with someone who's gonna let me die because they wanted to look popular. The joke can wait like 15 seconds while we do the encounter that we all collectively queued to do. If it's really that important to you, use voice chat and talk nonstop without losing your ability to actually play.

I've played the game while not sober, and - not to sound like an elitist - it's not that tough. Heck, our static whm was pretty smashed when we cleared t13 :P

No one has died because of my typing, except perhaps myself when the chatbar has filled with aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawddwdasdwadadaw.....

Good for you then. But Nadirah's post was rather explicitly saying the opposite: that one of the problems of speedruns was that they didn't have time to type stuff in the middle of the fight because they then got blamed for causing deaths. Blame well deserved because that's what happens when you're a healer who doesn't heal while in combat :P

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Envoyé par Malevicton

Good for you then. But Nadirah's post was rather explicitly saying the opposite: that one of the problems of speedruns was that they didn't have time to type stuff in the middle of the fight because they then got blamed for causing deaths. Blame well deserved because that's what happens when you're a healer who doesn't heal while in combat :P

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Missed her post :D skipped my nap ;)